The Case of Trayvon Martin

[Hia-leah JDM]

You're being completely ridiculous. Manslaughter would have sufficed if her only intentions really were to prevent a public outcry. You clearly haven't been following the case. You're probably just going off of talk radio.

Sanford PD is also being investigated for their sloppy handling of this case. The police investigator wanted Zimmerman arrested but the first state attorney stopped him. This isn't politics, this case was a mess before the national media picked it up. Zimmerman should've been arrested the night he killed Martin.

Stand Your Ground laws are not gun rights laws. They're laws that facilitate murder. Were people not able to defend themselves prior to 2005 when Florida first passed it? Any common sense person knows that it's a dumb law.

[QuantumX]

Originally Posted by Hia-leah JDM

You're being completely ridiculous. Manslaughter would have sufficed if her only intentions really were to prevent a public outcry.

I agree, and that is what I was expecting and what I think a lot of people were expecting. I suspect Angela Corey has seen things about this case that we are not privy to because I wouldn't have thought she could stick him with a murder charge.

Originally Posted by fredcalif

she did it because she was affraid of Riots in Fla and other states.
we know that would have been the outcome.

Please! No, we don't know this! You are jumping to conclusions!

Originally Posted by fredcalif

why did the police did not arrest him before?

Could it be that they are racist? There is such a thing, you know!

Originally Posted by fredcalif

this is all politics. they will have to prove that it was not self defense.

Not if it was determined that unnecessary force was used. What they have to prove with second-degree murder is that George Zimmerman acted with malicious intent and with a "depraved mind." It could well be that Angela Corey has learned a hell of a lot more about this case and George Zimmerman's past than anybody else really knows in order to come up with a second-degree murder charge. The woman's reputation is on the line. She just can't pull that out of the air like a magician pulling a rabbit out of a hat.

[manrush]

People who mention race riots when it comes to this are idiots, plain and simple.

[fredcalif]

SANFORD, Fla. -- After an extraordinary public campaign to make an arrest in the shooting of an unarmed black teen, a Florida prosecutor came back with a murder charge in the case that has galvanized the nation for weeks.

But prosecutors face steep hurdles to win a second-degree murder conviction against neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman in the killing of Trayvon Martin, experts say. They will have to prove Zimmerman intentionally went after Martin instead of shooting him in self-defense, refute arguments that a Florida law empowered him to use deadly force and get past a judge's ruling at a pretrial hearing.



Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/news/articl...#ixzz1rqjZpxvS

[fredcalif]

Originally Posted by manrush

People who mention race riots when it comes to this are idiots, plain and simple.

Tell that to the Black panthers,

they are talking about killing people and burning Florida to the ground

[TexasBoi]

Originally Posted by fredcalif

she did it because she was affraid of Riots in Fla and other states.
we know that would have been the outcome.

why did the police did not arrest him before?

this is all politics. they will have to prove that it was not self defense
people should have the right to defend themselves.

hopefully they wont try to change the laws about gun rights

He wouldn't have needed to defend himself if he didn't pursue him in the first place. He pursued Trayvon , with a loaded gun btw, before he even called 911. You can clearly hear Zimmerman breathing on that 911 call as he was chasing Trayvon down. The cell phone call with his friend proves that as they both were talking about some man following him.

[manrush]

Originally Posted by fredcalif

Tell that to the Black panthers,

they are talking about killing people and burning Florida to the ground

You're right. I should take the Black Panthers at their word.

[Hia-leah JDM]

Originally Posted by fredcalif

Tell that to the Black panthers,

they are talking about killing people and burning Florida to the ground

Yeah, the black panthers are what we should all be focusing on in this case.

[JustinB]

Originally Posted by fredcalif

Tell that to the Black panthers,

they are talking about killing people and burning Florida to the ground

Umm.. The NEW BLACK PANTHERS have nothing to do with the Black Panthers. The NEW BLACK PANTHERS are a black supremacist group that the Black Panthers have denounced.

so yeah..

You're really dumb.

[QuantumX]

The Miami Herald

Posted on Thu, Apr. 12, 2012
Prosecutors: George Zimmerman ‘profiled’ Trayvon Martin
By Frances Robles
frobles@MiamiHerald.com

George Zimmerman went from 45 days of being a hunted man in seclusion to eating Jolly Ranchers and killing time with puzzle books in a 67-square-foot cell.
He’ll be having breakfast at 4 a.m. and getting yard time three hours a week.
A man who seven weeks ago studied criminal justice and dreamed of becoming a cop is jailed without bond on a second-degree murder charge, accused of profiling and slaying an innocent teenager. He faces the prospect of life in prison.
An inmate at the John E. Polk Correctional Facility in Seminole County, he is segregated from the jail’s general population, because jail officials fear too many people would like to see him dead.
“Obviously it was a horrible intersection of two young men’s lives,” his attorney Mark O’Mara said.
Prosecutors say it was a more than just a chance encounter that ended badly for Zimmerman and worse for Trayvon Martin, the unarmed 17-year-old he killed. The probable-cause affidavit filed Thursday by two veteran investigators for the special prosecutor handling the case accuses Zimmerman of “profiling” the boy and assuming him to be a criminal.
The document, filed in court before Zimmerman’s attorney entered a plea of not guilty Thursday, does not mention race.
By now, everyone knows the dead teen, a junior at Dr. Michael M. Krop Senior High, was black. Zimmerman is a white native of Virginia whose mother was born in Peru.
Their paths crossed Feb. 26 at the Retreat at Twin Lakes, at a gated community in Sanford, north of Orlando, where Zimmerman lived and Trayvon was visiting.
“Martin was unarmed and was not committing a crime,” the affidavit states. While driving his vehicle, the affidavit says, Zimmerman observed Martin and assumed Martin was a criminal. Zimmerman felt Martin did not belong in the gated community and called police.”
The affidavit, presented to County Court Judge Mark E. Herr to support the charge of second-degree murder, does not offer any new details in the case that has gripped the nation. But it does take sides, making clear that prosecutors believe Trayvon’s relatives were right when they said Zimmerman tailed their son for no good reason even after an operator told him to stop.
Investigators said they interviewed the girl who was on the phone with Trayvon just before he died.
“The witness advised that Martin was scared because he was being followed through the complex by an unknown male and didn’t know why. Martin attempted to run home but was followed by Zimmerman who didn’t want the person he falsely assumed was going to commit a crime to get away before the police arrived,” the affidavit says.
The document recounts how the operator told Zimmerman to wait for police. It notes that Zimmerman muttered, “these a--holes always get away” and referred to “these f------ punks.”
The reference to “punks” was a hotly debated controversy, as many people who listened to the tape thought they could hear Zimmerman using a racial slur. It was unclear whether the state attorney’s office had the tape analyzed professionally to determine what he said, or whether it was simply the word investigators heard when they listened to it.
Many people believe they heard a much uglier word, but the utterance was too muffled to say for sure.
Zimmerman, the investigators said, confronted Trayvon. And it was Trayvon, investigators believe, whose distressed voice is heard in the background of a 911 call begging for help.
“Trayvon Martin’s mother has reviewed the 911 calls and identified the voice crying for help as Trayvon Martin’s voice,” the investigators wrote. The document does not say if investigators employed any more scientific method to determine the source of the cries.
The affidavit was signed by Fourth Judicial Circuit investigators T.C. O’Steen and Dale Gilbreath. O’Steen has 35 years of law enforcement experience, including 20 years as a homicide investigator. Gilbreath was at the Jacksonville Sheriff’s Office before working with the state attorney and has worked homicides for 24 years.
One sentence in the affidavit is blacked out and kept secret.
The rest of the case’s supporting evidence was ordered sealed, too. The defense attorney asked Herr to keep the public records from the hands of the media, which he said had too much piecemeal information already. Special prosecutor Angela Corey agreed.
The case was then sent up to circuit court and will be heard before Judge Jessica J. Recksiedler, a Central Florida native who has been on the bench for just over a year. Arraignment was set for May 29.
A bond hearing may be held before then. O’Mara said he decided not to seek one right away because it would have forced prosecutors to make more evidence public, which would not have helped calm the public fervor.
“It’s really supposed to happen in the courtroom,” he said of the trial and discussion of evidence.
Zimmerman appeared before a judge for the first time Thursday afternoon, wearing a dark gray prison jumpsuit. He said little except to answer, “Yes, sir,’’ twice to acknowledge he understood the charge against him and his representation by an attorney.
O’Mara said he was not collecting any legal fees from Zimmerman, who he described as “indigent.” He didn’t know how much has been raised by a PayPal account Zimmerman set up to accept donations.
Zimmerman already spent $79.84 on his first day in jail, buying things like contact lens solution, soap, underwear, a deck of cards, junk food, a $5 calling card and a crossword puzzle book.
“We are devastated,” his brother Robert Zimmermann told CNN’s Piers Morgan, insisting that his brother acted in self-defense. “The only silver lining in all of this is that my brother is safe. For our family, that’s the only respite we’ll get tonight when we lay our heads down to sleep is that we’ll know that our brother is safe.”
The jail released his booking information, which lists him as 5 feet 8 inches tall and 185 pounds. He has a tattoo on his left arm of the comedy and tragedy theatrical masks and another on his chest that has the name “Christina” inside a cross.
“He’s tired,” O’Mara said of his client.
Lead prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda would not discuss what other evidence prosecutors have against the neighborhood watch volunteer, except to say it is enough to support the first-degree felony charge.
“We are seekers of truth. Seekers of justice,” he said. “It is our obligation to file charges we could prove. We look forward to presenting this case in a court of law.”
He emphasized the last words to make clear that he planned to discuss the proof collected in court, not on TV

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/04/1...#storylink=cpy

[fredcalif]

Originally Posted by Hia-leah JDM

Yeah, the black panthers are what we should all be focusing on in this case.

Keep thinking like that, no wonder your are from Hialeah LA CIUDAD QUE PROGRESA

soon zimmerman will be out of jail as a free man

[Hia-leah JDM]

What the....

Your defense of Zimmerman is strange and twisted.

I'm not from Hialeah, I just lived there for a couple of years. But what the hell does that matter?!

I'm actually from Orlando, less than 30 minutes from where your hero killed a 17 year old kid.

[manrush]

So, what if the victim was white? What do you think the coverage would be like? Here's a hint.

Not even children are safe from the murderous consequences of illegal immigration.

[JustinB]

If the victim was white, Fredcalif and his ilk would be foaming at the mouth and calling for all non whites to be rounded up.

[manrush]

Originally Posted by JustinB

If the victim was white, Fredcalif and his ilk would be foaming at the mouth and calling for all non whites to be rounded up.

And 1772 would post news links about other unrelated crimes.

[jzquince69]

Originally Posted by Hia-leah JDM

Stand Your Ground laws are not gun rights laws. They're laws that facilitate murder. Were people not able to defend themselves prior to 2005 when Florida first passed it? Any common sense person knows that it's a dumb law.

I disagree. Stand your ground states that you do not have a duty to retreat if attacked.

Forget this case for a minute... if I'm carrying, and someone attacks me, they're dead. Why?

Because:

1) they have no business attacking me in the first place; they either want to rob me, mug me, or, if I'm a woman, rape me, then maybe kill me to prevent me identifying them later; or kill me on a basic mugging; if they have a perceived right to attack me, then I have a perceived right to take em out;

2) because they attacked me and threatened my well being, the threat must be eliminated to protect my well being; why should there be any deference to an attacker criminal? This isn't a welfare system set up to allow muggers and thugs to rob people that work and have jobs. Like that punk in Daytona that broke into that old guy's house a few months ago and the guy shot him dead. Guess what, that punk was WHITE. Noone gave a sh*t and it barely made the news, but that's a different situation altogether.

Is this a conservative vs liberal philosophy? Dunno. All I know is that because of peoples' upbringing and socioeconomic status, they do things to get what other people got, and sometimes the attacked get hurt real bad. Well, people need to learn that if you f*ck with the bull, you get the horns, then, this type of crime will be curtailed.

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Now, back to this case:

Zimmerman was warned by a dispatcher to let the cops handle it. Neighborhood Watch does not allow use of a weapon. He had a concealed permit I think, but he violated the Neighborhood Watch edict. He had a history of looking after that neighborhood and was their watchdog. But, he pursued Martin and should've broke off. He was plain clothed. No identification that he was Watch. Martin, if he was carrying, could've shot him instead and been in the right, reasonably fearing for his safety. This should never have happened.

The charges probably won't stick. Manslaughter is not a lesser included offense I don't think, and I think he's definitely guilty of that. This might be a bad faith charge if you will, knowing the elements won't be met, and then he goes free and the pressure is off Sanford PD and instead on a jury panel. I'm wondering whether they are charging Zim knowing he'll eventually get off. I really feel for this kid. This should've never happened.

[Hia-leah JDM]

The law is ridiculous. You can kill anyone and claim self defense, it's just not practical.

[jzquince69]

Originally Posted by Hia-leah JDM

The law is ridiculous. You can kill anyone and claim self defense, it's just not practical.

I think I see your point... anyone can kill another person and say afterwards that the deceased attacked them even if they didn't, and then the deceased is not around to give their side of the story b/c they're dead...

but you can't allow a slippery slope here, just like when every time a kid blows his head off b/c he found his father's gun, there's a movement to outlaw handguns b/c of the one accident.

[QuantumX]

Originally Posted by jzquince69

The charges probably won't stick. Manslaughter is not a lesser included offense I don't think, and I think he's definitely guilty of that. This might be a bad faith charge if you will, knowing the elements won't be met, and then he goes free and the pressure is off Sanford PD and instead on a jury panel. I'm wondering whether they are charging Zim knowing he'll eventually get off. I really feel for this kid. This should've never happened.

They are actually both kids to me! I was pretty surprised by the second degree murder charge and I think it won't stick. It is quite a leap from manslaughter, but we don't know what all the prosecution has on this guy. It all hasn't been made public as far as what they were able to dig up about Zimmerman. That remains to be seen.

[Bobdreamz]

The other issue that has been floating around is that Trayvon Martin's body was found face down in the grass sugessting that Zimmermann had shot him in the back. So there goes his claim of self defense.