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Old December 2nd, 2015, 06:27 PM   #941
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So far, the MoT already approved some MYR200 million for SSR, which I think would be spent on track rehabilitation than expansion (it's not that much to begin with). While railway expansion projects do cost tons of money (as well as backlash from NGOs and tree huggers alike), it wouldn't be as expensive as the EDTP project since the the railway lines are unelectrified and single-track, mainly for inter-city passengers as well as freight (connecting ports as well as transporting cargos/commodities between east and west coast)



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Some of the plans are outlandish and unrealistic, but there are others that could be implemented within short to medium term.

For now, they need to rehabilitate and upgrade the Papar-Tanjung Aru stretch as well as buying more DMUs to improve the train service and turning it into dependable suburban commuter line, because plenty of people from Papar (all the way to Putatan) that could use an upgraded train service to go to work in Kota Kinabalu. Currently the train frequency is really bad.
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Will the New Rail line extend into Brunei?
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Currently, no.
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Only if Brunei agrees with it (and there's similar effort for railway on Sarawak part)
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Old December 3rd, 2015, 02:58 AM   #945
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The KTM Class 93 ETS train No 203 leaving Pulau Sebang/Tampin heading towards Gemas.


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Interior of the 3.4km twin-bore tunnel in Bukit Berapit, Perak. The tunnel is completed with the installation of overhead electrification wiring and tracks.


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While railway expansion projects do cost tons of money (as well as backlash from NGOs and tree huggers alike)
I sometime can't understand this type of people. I remember when groundbreaking of Kalimantan Railway was done in East Kalimantan, this group launching their protest.
Yet, when the new tollway/highway was built, they went silent.

Raising question on whether this group is actually funded by pro-tollway group.

Because tollway will cause more damages to nature as it require much larger space than railway.
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Old December 3rd, 2015, 10:52 AM   #947
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East coast rail line may cost RM60b
By Sharen Kaur Published: 2013/04/18
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Most of the potential 620km East Coast Rail Route’s required investment will be sourced from the private sector, sources say

THE 620km East Coast Rail Route (ECRR) linking Greater Kuala Lumpur and three east coast states in Peninsular Malaysia is expected to cost around RM60 billion, sources say.

Most of the potential line’s required investment will be sourced from the private sector, they added.

The East Coast Economic Region Development Council (ECERDC) has proposed the ECRR to the federal government and its viability is being studied by the Land Public Transport Commission (SPAD).

SPAD plays a central role in improving road and rail-based public and freight transport in the country.

Its chief development officer Azmi Abdul Aziz Gamusaid the ECRR aims to create rail connectivity to the east coast and provide economic spillover from Greater Kuala Lumpur.

“We are still studying the proposal (by ECERDC). We have not reached any conclusion.

“A new railway scheme will be formed as it will involve cutting across the Main Range (Banjaran Titiwangsa),” Azmi told Business Times on the sidelines of the Rail Solutions Asia conference here yesterday.

He added that the project, if viable, will be implemented in four phases. He, however, declined to reveal the cost.

“We have mapped out plans to develop railway infrastructure in Malaysia up to 2030. We are now working on plans beyond 2030.

This project (ECRR) may be implemented before or after 2030,” Azmi said.

According to sources, ECRR will take about 15 years to develop as it will involve a lot of underground work and building tunnels across Banjaran Titiwangsa.

ECERDC has established that a rail route connecting all the major ports, business centres and towns in Pahang, Terengganu and Kelantan is vital to achieve growth in the east coast.

Based on the National Public Transport Masterplan available on SPAD’s website, the ECRR line may start either from the integrated transport terminal in Gombak, Batu Caves or Serendah, all in Selangor.

It will enter Pahang, stopping at Bentong, Mentakab or Temerloh, Maran and Gambang before heading on to the Kuantan Sentral station and then onwards to Kuantan Port City.


From there it will go into Terengganu, stopping at Kemaman, Kertih, Paka, Dungun, Ajil, Kuala Terengganu, Penarik and Kampung Raja.

It will then move into Kelantan, passing Tok Bali, Jelawat and Kota Baru, before reaching its final stop in Tumpat, about 9km from the Thailand-Malaysia border.

Business Times reported recently that the railway track between Kerteh and Kuantan, owned by Petroleum Nasional Bhd (Petronas), will be redeveloped for about RM2 billion.

The line, which ceased operations more than a year ago, will form part of the ECRR project, a source said.
Parliament: KTMB Looking Into KL-Kuantan Rail Link
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KUALA LUMPUR, Dec 1 (Bernama) -- Keretapi Tanah Melayu Berhad is conducting a feasibility study on having a railway line directly linking Kuala Lumpur and Kuantan, the Dewan Rakyat was told Tuesday.

Deputy Transport Minister Datuk Abdul Aziz Kaprawi said the line would shorten travel distance from the federal capital to places in the east coast.

He was replying to a question from Datuk Kamarudin Jaffar (PKR-Tumpat) on the government's long-term plan to upgrade train services in the east coast.

Abdul Aziz also gave a government assurance that the east coast rail services disrupted by floods in December last year would be fully restored by the middle of next year.

He said this would be so after the railway bridge at Kemubu in Kelantan had been repaired.

"Keretapi Tanah Melayu Berhad has resumed inter-city train services on the east coast line in phases, beginning with the Kemubu-Krai-Kemubu and JB Sentral-Gua Musang-JB Sentral sectors on July 12 and 13, respectively, after temporary repairs were carried out in stages from May," he said.

Replying to another question from Kamarudin, he said the government was not going to privatise the Kuala Lumpur-Tumpat train service, and added that the priority was to upgrade and repair the Gemas-Tumpat alignment.

He also said that the second phase of restoration involved the Tumpat-Krai-Tumpat shuttle train service which resumed operation on Aug 31.

Abdul Aziz said the government had allocated RM785.6 million to repair the east coast railway infrastructure, which involved RM419.5 million for the Gemas-Tumpat sector and RM366.1 million for the restoration of stations and repair of flood-damaged infrastructure.

In reply to a question from Datuk Noraini Ahmad (BN-Parit Sulong), he said KTMB was prepared to face any eventuality arising from the floods expected this year.

"So far, thank God, KTMB has proven that each time after a flood occurs on the east coast, train services are restored within a short time," he said.

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Are both of those mainlines electrified?
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I heard that from 1st December 2016, all loco hauled intercity trains on electrified lines will cease.
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From gemas to padang besar are electrified..thanks to EDTP project..from Gemas to JB..EDTP project will on next year AFAIK..
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Are both of those mainlines electrified?
The west coast line (all the way to the intersecting point, that is Gemas) is electrified. The rest are not. The next phase of electrification, double tracking project (EDTP) will cover the Gemas-Johore Bahru stretch.

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I heard that from 1st December 2016, all loco hauled intercity trains on electrified lines will cease.
Only for electrified line, as ETS (electric train service) will take over intercity operation. They will still use the loco-hauled trains for unelectrified lines (Gemas-Johore Bahru and the east coast line)
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Now what about intercity passenger trains between KL to Johor? Does the passenger have to swap train at Gemas?
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Now what about intercity passenger trains between KL to Johor? Does the passenger have to swap train at Gemas?
Yes. Passengers from Johor Bahru will switch to the electric train service at Gemas to proceed northward. KLites will also need to swith at Genas to go to the East coast.

The older coaches(about 51 units) used in the intercity services will gradually be refurbished and used on the East Coast line.Hopefully they will be hauled by electric locos in the future,otherwise they will only be confined the East Coast line.
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It's really isn't that bad. ETS service so far have been the most profitable for KTMB, not to mention that it's faster and more comfortable.It's only natural for them to replace the entire loco-hauled intercity service once the whole west coast line is electrified.

So far the only reason why people dislike the change is because of sentimental value and more expensive fare(compared to the intercity train)

Also, KTMB should start tendering for more EMUs since they have introduced both northern and southern sector Komuter services.
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Having to change will be a major inconvenience for passengers on the east coast sleepers. I don't see the sense in it, to be honest. Obviously, there's no point in running legacy services over routes completely served by EMUs, but where routes have to be served by diesel, I don't see the logic in curtailing them at an intermediate station.

In Europe (and particularly the UK, where there are a lot of legacy diesel lines) if part of the route isn't electrified, then it's run with a loco-hauled (or DMU) set end to end, to minimise inconvenience to the passengers. Otherwise, KTM will find itself loosing trade to the airlines and buses - especially if they insist on passengers buying two tickets due to KTMs own infrastructure shortcomings.

KTM should definitely think about retiring the existing coaching stock and diesel locos not needed for freight, and buy 160km/h tilting DMUs for the east-coast routes. It will allow the diesel services to operate at same speed as EMUs on shared track, and also improve speeds and comfort on diesel only sections, as well as improve passenger perceptions of east coast services. They could also be used for through services in Thailand to Hadyai and BKK.

QR use them (on metre gauge) in Australia on the Brissie-Cairns run, which has similar track conditions to the KL-Tumpat services (starts off in congested, electrified reasonably fast/modern track around Brisbane, and north of rockhampton is non-electrified single track - often low grade with a lot of fairly tight curves in remote areas).
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It's really isn't that bad. ETS service so far have been the most profitable for KTMB, not to mention that it's faster and more comfortable.
I would say it is still bad. Changing trains midway through the journey, for whatever the reason, is highly unacceptable. Now imagine if you have to do that at night?
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Having to change will be a major inconvenience for passengers on the east coast sleepers. I don't see the sense in it, to be honest. Obviously, there's no point in running legacy services over routes completely served by EMUs, but where routes have to be served by diesel, I don't see the logic in curtailing them at an intermediate station.

In Europe (and particularly the UK, where there are a lot of legacy diesel lines) if part of the route isn't electrified, then it's run with a loco-hauled (or DMU) set end to end, to minimise inconvenience to the passengers. Otherwise, KTM will find itself loosing trade to the airlines and buses - especially if they insist on passengers buying two tickets due to KTMs own infrastructure shortcomings.

KTM should definitely think about retiring the existing coaching stock and diesel locos not needed for freight, and buy 160km/h tilting DMUs for the east-coast routes. It will allow the diesel services to operate at same speed as EMUs on shared track, and also improve speeds and comfort on diesel only sections, as well as improve passenger perceptions of east coast services. They could also be used for through services in Thailand to Hadyai and BKK.

QR use them (on metre gauge) in Australia on the Brissie-Cairns run, which has similar track conditions to the KL-Tumpat services (starts off in congested, electrified reasonably fast/modern track around Brisbane, and north of rockhampton is non-electrified single track - often low grade with a lot of fairly tight curves in remote areas).
It is not confirmed and implemented yet, but ktmb staff says that management have decided on this route by next year. It may change if Malaysians protest . People are angry that the KLIA ERL fares increased by 60% and now Malaysians travelling to the North may may have to fork out almost double using the ETS in addition switching trains at Gemas

The government I understand is refusing to add more subsidies to KTMB (RM200million + per year)while KTMB mow have to deal with the EDTP from Padang Besar to Gemas and maintaining a more sophisticated electric train fleet which include the Klang Valley Komuter 38 EMU fleet and the 15 ETS trains .

Its a reason why KTM komuter fares have increased as KTM Komuter is the most prfitable division and the ETS is steadily adding value to KTMB's revenue. Meanwhile, the diesel hauled intercity service is perpetually suffering losses due to ineffciency and low fares due to social service. And the strategy to force passengers to use the ETS may also be a strategy to increase revenue to cover the additional cost. The ETS service has been so successful in a sense it has convinced the posh middle class of Klang Valley who have never used KTM intercity seevice to use the ETS to travel between KL and the fast industrilizing northern cities.

In addition, the demand for the ETS route from KL to Gemas has been laclustre and loss making. Thhis decision will also ensure the KL-Gemas ETS capacity is well utilized.

The decisim to abolish diesel passenger services along the EDTP stretch is probably a financially pragmatic decision.

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