Barazani's speech on Nawrooz

[Yousifovic]

hello guys
this is Barazni's speech in Nawrooz
it has many important stuff.. read it, and comment.

English :
http://www.krp.org/english/articledi...gid=1&id=25868

Arabic :
http://www.krp.org/arabic/articledis...gid=1&id=25866

Kurdish :
http://www.krp.org/kurdish/articledi...gid=1&id=25867

[Euphrates]

I was about to post this on the Nawrooz thread.

Anyway, here's more about the speech.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp...498123d774.221

[Yousifovic]

Congrats to the Kurds the new state

and hard luck to Iraq, which lost another part due to the bad politics

whats next ?

[Euphrates]

Independence of Basra, Anbar, Diyala and kirkuk..

Only time will tell.

[Chounz]

Okayyy.... whats so important about this speech? I dont get it..

It's just the same kind of talk we hear all the time.

[Euphrates]

Originally Posted by Chounz

Okayyy.... whats so important about this speech? I dont get it..

It's just the same kind of talk we hear all the time.

Nothing. Barzani is frustrated since he's not invited to the arab summit, according to Iraqi MP's. lol

[Chounz]

Originally Posted by Euphrates

Nothing. Barzani is frustrated since he's not invited to the arab summit, according to Iraqi MP's. lol

Hahaha seriously?? Why wasn't he invited? Kha6iya lol..

[kurd123]

I saw the speech live and I agreed with it. Iraq has shown that they are not committed to the mutually agreed on constitution and they are continuing the path to centralized rule and we will not accept that.

Some Arab politicians are really stupid it seems and make comments without even thinking.. why would Barzani want to be invited to the summit when it is being hosted by a Kurd, and the foreign minister of Iraq is a Kurd? besides one of the leaders of the summit announced he will visit Kurdistan anyway. The frustration is due to the fact that all of you know Kirkuk is Kurdish and the majority of them want to join Kurdistan, yet you chose to ignore it. You insist on centralized rule even though all the regimes before you failed. Barzani said "The day of Independence will come, it will be soon' which is a big change from the past when he said "We will remain in Iraq"

[Basrawii]

Originally Posted by Euphrates

Independence of Basra, Anbar, Diyala and kirkuk..

Only time will tell.

One of my dreams, but then you will all starve to death..

[Basrawii]

Originally Posted by kurd123

I saw the speech live and I agreed with it. Iraq has shown that they are not committed to the mutually agreed on constitution and they are continuing the path to centralized rule and we will not accept that.

Some Arab politicians are really stupid it seems and make comments without even thinking.. why would Barzani want to be invited to the summit when it is being hosted by a Kurd, and the foreign minister of Iraq is a Kurd? besides one of the leaders of the summit announced he will visit Kurdistan anyway. The frustration is due to the fact that all of you know Kirkuk is Kurdish and the majority of them want to join Kurdistan, yet you chose to ignore it. You insist on centralized rule even though all the regimes before you failed. Barzani said "The day of Independence will come, it will be soon' which is a big change from the past when he said "We will remain in Iraq"

Well, Barazani is not pissed off hes not getting invited to the summit, I wouldn't go even if they pay me, pathatic Arabs.

Anyway, I am really excited about this, Barazani finally manning up, I think it is time for him to face the truth and create his dream state, I have no problem with him taking Kirkuk too, the most important thing is to see that 20 billion dollars we waste on these disloyal and unfaithful thugs of the KRG government put into our own INVESTMENT BUDGET instead of being wasted on some other country that has no courtesy of following our national agenda or raise the federal flag. Or even, respect our own football team.

Congratulations to the Kurdish people on their intelligent leaders, I hope you listen to Barazani, have ur own country... go for it boys!

[kurd123]

Originally Posted by Basrawii

Well, Barazani is not pissed off hes not getting invited to the summit, I wouldn't go even if they pay me, pathatic Arabs.

Anyway, I am really excited about this, Barazani finally manning up, I think it is time for him to face the truth and create his dream state, I have no problem with him taking Kirkuk too, the most important thing is to see that 20 billion dollars we waste on these disloyal and unfaithful thugs of the KRG government put into our own INVESTMENT BUDGET instead of being wasted on some other country that has no courtesy of following our national agenda or raise the federal flag. Or even, respect our own football team.

Congratulations to the Kurdish people on their intelligent leaders, I hope you listen to Barazani, have ur own country... go for it boys!

Both bold parts are lies.

Yeah Barzani is intelligent, he proved most of the anti-Kurdish rhetoric that all predicted Kurdistan will get weaker if not dominated by Baghdad as soon as America left, and look where we are? talking of independence, referring to Anatolia as 'Northern Kurdistan' stating that Kurdistan can be reunified peacefully and giving a speech with pictures of greater Kurdistan present all in 2012 so, yes, he has succeeded in my eyes. I wish I could say the same about the meat heads in Baghdad, after all, they can't even walk through a door without going back to the Sunni-Shia conflict.

The money we receive is our right, Iraq killed 100,000 of Kurds, destroyed 1000's of villages and has been selling Kirkuks oil for as long as I can remember, think of it as pay back.

[Basrawii]

Originally Posted by kurd123

Both bold parts are lies.

Yeah Barzani is intelligent, he proved most of the anti-Kurdish rhetoric that all predicted Kurdistan will get weaker if not dominated by Baghdad as soon as America left, and look where we are? talking of independence, referring to Anatolia as 'Northern Kurdistan' stating that Kurdistan can be reunified peacefully and giving a speech with pictures of greater Kurdistan present all in 2012 so, yes, he has succeeded in my eyes. I wish I could say the same about the meat heads in Baghdad, after all, they can't even walk through a door without going back to the Sunni-Shia conflict.

The money we receive is our right, Iraq killed 100,000 of Kurds, destroyed 1000's of villages and has been selling Kirkuks oil for as long as I can remember, think of it as pay back.

I will leave all the jibber jabber of u having a crush on Maasoor Barazani, ans answer to the bold one, Peshmerga killed also thousands of Iraqis, throughout all the wars we had together, Kurds today displaced thousands of Arab Sunni families from their houses in Kirkuk not mentioning killing many innocent Sunni people to intimidate the Arabs in Mosul and Kirkuk.

I think Kurdistan should pay the families of those people a compensation too, not mentioning the families of those young poor Turkish soliders killed by KRG backed PKK. Also, if you people decide to get ur independence, well, you have to pay for all the infrastructure built by the government of Iraq through out history since you seem to think that the governments before 2003 are the same as the ones after 2003, we all are murderers in ur racists little heads... so pay us for everything we built (with our money) throughout history in Erbil, Duhuk, Sulaimani and Kirkuk.

[Chounz]

Iraq killed 100,000 Kurds. So what? Iraq has also killed hundreds of thousands of Arabs since 2003. Iraq also killed a million (mainly Arab) children during the sanctions and has also killed around 100,000 Arabs during the uprisings and throughout the former regime. What makes Kurds so special?

[Basrawii]

Originally Posted by Chounz

Iraq killed 100,000 Kurds. So what? Iraq has also killed hundreds of thousands of Arabs since 2003. Iraq also killed a million (mainly Arab) children during the sanctions and has also killed around 100,000 Arabs during the uprisings and throughout the former regime. What makes Kurds so special?

Newrooz

[kurd123]

Originally Posted by Basrawii

I will leave all the jibber jabber of u having a crush on Maasoor Barazani, ans answer to the bold one, Peshmerga killed also thousands of Iraqis, throughout all the wars we had together, Kurds today displaced thousands of Arab Sunni families from their houses in Kirkuk not mentioning killing many innocent Sunni people to intimidate the Arabs in Mosul and Kirkuk.

Well, other then issues in Kurdistan (i.e. Corruption) Barzani has made decisions that I agree with, and therefore I see no reason to not praise him.

The Peshmerga never killed an Iraqi civilian because we were not the invaders. We were on the defensive and the Iraqi army were the invaders, so off course in a war the soldiers will die, however you killed 100,000's of civilians, infact even if an Iraqi soldier was captured by the peshmerga, they were disarmed and eventually released, unlike Iraqs method of kill on sight.. I'm sure Sheytan call tell you that, after all his uncle served in the Peshmerga.

Again, lies. We have not forced anyone to leave, all we asked for is that the invaders in Kirkuk leave for their original inhabitants to re-enter the city as they were forced to leave, also Kurdistan has given refuge to about 40,000 displaces Arabs, and your government wont even help them out financially. Not to mention all the rich Arabs that move to Kurdistan.

I think Kurdistan should pay the families of those people a compensation too, not mentioning the families of those young poor Turkish soliders killed by KRG backed PKK.

Your silly little games wont work on me anymore

Also, if you people decide to get ur independence, well, you have to pay for all the infrastructure built by the government of Iraq through out history since

What infrastructure? the only thing you built were crappy roads, and the only reason they were built was for the Iraqi army to have easy access to the region, otherwise, Kurdistan didn't even have one power plant! nothing! from 2003 the KRG had to build an energy sector from scratch! infact in 2003 we used to buy all our power from Iran and Turkey and since 2008 we stopped buying from them and are getting closer and closer to 24/7 supply.

Iraq did nothing good for Kurds, all they did was destroy our agriculture sector by destroying 3000+ villages (burning many mosques in the process).

you seem to think that the governments before 2003 are the same as the ones after 2003, we all are murderers in ur racists little heads... so pay us for everything we built (with our money) throughout history in Erbil, Duhuk, Sulaimani and Kirkuk.

The only decent people from our perspective in Baghdad are Al-hakim and his party, otherwise its the same ideologies, different faces.

Again, what have you built? you have caused us 100 years of damage by completely destroying the agricultural sector in Kurdistan which was 90% of our economy.

[kurd123]

Originally Posted by Chounz

Iraq killed 100,000 Kurds. So what? Iraq has also killed hundreds of thousands of Arabs since 2003. Iraq also killed a million (mainly Arab) children during the sanctions and has also killed around 100,000 Arabs during the uprisings and throughout the former regime. What makes Kurds so special?

You should really read the comments I was replying to before you decide to say things. a comment was made about Kurdistan receiving money from Baghdad which was pretty pathetic, and a pathetic statement will get a pathetic response. Kurdistan deserves more than it gets for what we have gone through, now that isn't to say that the other victims are not just as deserving be they Arab, Turkoman or Assyrian.

[alshawi1234]

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Let's not forget all the Kurdish civilian killed during the civil war between the talbani's and the barzani's. Before thinking I come from an anti-Kurdish family, let me tell that my father has totally different views than I do and he's always standing up with that Kurds and saying its "their right". I agree with that to an extent but the main reason why many Arabs have problems with the Kurdish POLITICIANS is that we feel that the They are trying to build their country by keeping Iraq weak and taking advantage of it.


Besides if kurdistan becomes independent there MAJOR problems that wouldn't be solved for decades. What would happen to the kurds living in arab cities , will they become iraqi citizens be moved to Kurdistan and vice versa? All the arab and Kurds owning property in Iraqi or Kurdish land. Kurds in the iraqi army?...etc

But there are also many benefits to Iraq as well. We could start charging transit fees on all the goods that come from Asia(via basrah) right now the south exports approximately 1.8 million bpd out of 2.3 million bpd. Besides let's supposed the Kurds get Kirkuk we still would own most of the oil and let's not forget Kirkuk fields have already reached their peak.

But then again many Iraqis are unfortunately willing to go to fight for some key aspects such as keeping a border with turkey. So I don't think the Kurds will get independence with Kirkuk without giving up some land in eastern dohuk.

[kurd123]

Originally Posted by alshawi1234

Let's not forget all the Kurdish civilian killed during the civil war between the talbani's and the barzani's.

An internal issue... besides the casualties didn't exceed 3000, but that is irrelevant anyway.

Before thinking I come from an anti-Kurdish family, let me tell that my father has totally different views than I do and he's always standing up with that Kurds and saying its "their right". I agree with that to an extent but the main reason why many Arabs have problems with the Kurdish POLITICIANS is that we feel that the They are trying to build their country by keeping Iraq weak and taking advantage of it.

Well I could say the same about the people in Baghdad no? we don't need to try to keep Iraq week, the sunni-shia divide is doing that already, so don't try blaming us, infact we have tried on numerous occasions to bring you two together, regardless of what people think, it is in our best interest to have all components in the government and not have an alliance with in and side line the other.

Besides if kurdistan becomes independent there MAJOR problems that wouldn't be solved for decades. What would happen to the kurds living in arab cities , will they become iraqi citizens be moved to Kurdistan and vice versa? All the arab and Kurds owning property in Iraqi or Kurdish land. Kurds in the iraqi army?...etc

Do you mean Kurds in Baghdad? well that is for 'Arab' cities and the Kurds there to decide.. if these cities accept them as citizens and they wish to stay there, then that is what they will do, I don't see what the problem there is. From my point of view any Arab can and will stay in any future Kurdish state. Again if the Kurds in Iraqi army are from lets say Baghdad and wish to stay in Baghdad then they will remain there, if they wish to leave they can leave, what is the issue?

But there are also many benefits to Iraq as well. We could start charging transit fees on all the goods that come from Asia(via basrah) right now the south exports approximately 1.8 million bpd out of 2.3 million bpd. Besides let's supposed the Kurds get Kirkuk we still would own most of the oil and let's not forget Kirkuk fields have already reached their peak.

If we get Kirkuk you will not own the oil, but I do suspect some sort of sharing agreement.

But then again many Iraqis are unfortunately willing to go to fight for some key aspects such as keeping a border with turkey. So I don't think the Kurds will get independence with Kirkuk without giving up some land in eastern dohuk.

They can come and fight if they wish, we are not giving up an inch of Duhok, I thought the last 70 years would have portrayed that, since there is not a single Arab in Duhok I don't see why we should.

Besides, with the way things are going in the middle east, I would not be surprised if a Sunni state is created out of the Sunni parts of Syria and Iraq anyway. Maliki is not doing a good job at convincing the Kurds and Sunnis to remain in Iraq.

[Yousifovic]

Kurd123 ur not suppose to argue.. for Nawrooz..
u said that

[Basrawii]

Originally Posted by kurd123

The Peshmerga never killed an Iraqi civilian because we were not the invaders. We were on the defensive and the Iraqi army were the invaders, so off course in a war the soldiers will die, however you killed 100,000's of civilians, infact even if an Iraqi soldier was captured by the peshmerga, they were disarmed and eventually released, unlike Iraqs method of kill on sight.. I'm sure Sheytan call tell you that, after all his uncle served in the Peshmerga.

Well, you always say I am the one who distribute lies, can you please explain to me what are those soldiers speaking KURDI doing in this video taken in Mosul? You can easily identify one of them as a member of the Barazani tribe with his head covering red shemagh.