Florida East Coast Industries, Inc. Announces Plans for Private Passenger Rail Service in Florida - Page 6

ThatFloridaDude · June 29th, 2012, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by jzquince69

so the $12 is from OIA to the OCCC on the Maglev, right?

MAGLEV - $12 OIA-to OCCC.
FEC - Price Unkown
SUnRail - Price Unknown

jzquince69 · June 29th, 2012, 10:50 PM

I don't know. If you are a convention delegate and need to get to the Peabody or Hilton, etc., a cab can cost more, and a rental is going to be expensive. the only cheap car rentals I've seen are from Enterprise when they have a deal with a garage after you've been in an accident, and you still pay $$$ per day, not to mention an extra $10-12/day for insurance if you so choose.

I've got a buddy at Mears and OIA to Winter Park is like $55. Half that distance would cost between $25-30. That's about the distance from OIA to OCCC. That's an expensive cab ride by comparison. I think the price is decent considering. We can't apply the NYC Subway rate standard or MARTA to this line...

Convention business can drive this thing along with tourism. Locals won't use it that much. Tourists pay through the roof for certain services wherever you go. If they can build it, connecting OIA to Florida Mall to the OCCC could be very successful, as long as the stations are well placed.

I'm assuming there would be a SLR station as well to connect to Sunrail, unless Sunrail goes to OIA thru Taft.

ThatFloridaDude · June 30th, 2012, 04:22 AM

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Originally Posted by jzquince69

I don't know. If you are a convention delegate and need to get to the Peabody or Hilton, etc., a cab can cost more, and a rental is going to be expensive. the only cheap car rentals I've seen are from Enterprise when they have a deal with a garage after you've been in an accident, and you still pay $$$ per day, not to mention an extra $10-12/day for insurance if you so choose.

I've got a buddy at Mears and OIA to Winter Park is like $55. Half that distance would cost between $25-30. That's about the distance from OIA to OCCC. That's an expensive cab ride by comparison. I think the price is decent considering. We can't apply the NYC Subway rate standard or MARTA to this line...

Convention business can drive this thing along with tourism. Locals won't use it that much. Tourists pay through the roof for certain services wherever you go. If they can build it, connecting OIA to Florida Mall to the OCCC could be very successful, as long as the stations are well placed.

I'm assuming there would be a SLR station as well to connect to Sunrail, unless Sunrail goes to OIA thru Taft.

But what would be the point in having the connector if MAGLEV is strictly for tourist and SunRail is for Locals?

It makes no sense for a connector then. Nobody will be transferring. Everybody seems to not be looking at this transportation as a whole for citizens, thats where this city continues to go wrong.

jzquince69 · June 30th, 2012, 02:02 PM

Well, if I took Sunrail from downtown to get to the Fla Mall, that could be expensive ala Maglev connector. Or not, the price of a gallon of gas is $3.50 to $4.00. SLR to Fla Mall wouldn't be $12, it would be something like $6.00 I gather.

ThatFloridaDude · July 1st, 2012, 05:10 AM

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Originally Posted by jzquince69

Well, if I took Sunrail from downtown to get to the Fla Mall, that could be expensive ala Maglev connector. Or not, the price of a gallon of gas is $3.50 to $4.00. SLR to Fla Mall wouldn't be $12, it would be something like $6.00 I gather.

Lets look at it.

Lynx Downtown to Florida Mall?
Link 4 $2 about 30-45 minutes
Link 441 (during certain times) $2 15 minutes
Link 7 $2 30-40 minutes
SunRail Then Maglev 30-40 minutes, about $15
SunRail Then Lynx 30-60 minutes $5

Not worth it.

Red highlight is the best option from downtown to Florida mal.
Now Florida Mall to downtown, thats a different story.

jzquince69 · July 2nd, 2012, 12:56 AM

true, but i thought its $12 from OIA to the OCCC. SLR/Sunrail to Fla Mall ala Maglev is like 1/3 the distance so I'm assuming its less than half the price, unless its a flat fee.

DShoost88 · July 2nd, 2012, 01:14 AM

This article says it would be a free transfer from Maglev to Lynx:

http://www.wmfe.org/site/News2?page=...s_iv_ctrl=1041

tampasteve · July 2nd, 2012, 09:30 PM

If Sunrail does not go to OIA then there is also a ready market for people to use a Sunrail/Maglev combo to get to OIA as it is cheaper than parking over a few days. Now if Sunrail does go to OIA then that is another story.

Steve

ThatFloridaDude · July 2nd, 2012, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by jzquince69

true, but i thought its $12 from OIA to the OCCC. SLR/Sunrail to Fla Mall ala Maglev is like 1/3 the distance so I'm assuming its less than half the price, unless its a flat fee.

From my understanding it was a flat rate. I could be wrong

Lynx,SuNRail,Maglev and FEC needs to team up with some kind of a pass. So Does Miami Dade Transit Broward Transit and Palm tran.

jzquince69 · July 3rd, 2012, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by tampasteve

If Sunrail does not go to OIA then there is also a ready market for people to use a Sunrail/Maglev combo to get to OIA as it is cheaper than parking over a few days. Now if Sunrail does go to OIA then that is another story.

Steve

I didn't even think of that aspect of cost...parking.

jzquince69 · July 13th, 2012, 12:06 AM

Not sure if anyone posted this, but its from back on June 22, 2012... only 3 weeks ago. But, it also discusses OIA expansion plans:

http://www.cfnews13.com/content/news...mi_train_.html

SkyDiveJunkee · July 31st, 2012, 12:54 AM

"All Aboard Florida announced New York-based Skidmore, Owings & Merrill LLP will be the project’s lead architect and planner handling development of the initial concepts for its four stations and related transit‐oriented developments in Miami, Fort Lauderdale, West Palm Beach and Orlando.

Meanwhile, Miami‐based architect firm Zyscovich Inc. will serve as associate architect and planner."

http://www.bizjournals.com/orlando/n...rchitects.html

DGM · August 1st, 2012, 04:39 PM

Wow, they're clearly not messing around if they are going with SOM. If you're not familiar with this company, then I suggest you check out their previous transportation projects.

Dale · August 1st, 2012, 04:41 PM

I'm beginning to get the feeling that this is really going to happen. If so, it will beat the hell out of California's 'Train to Nowhere' as a viable model for rail transit in the new economy.

DGM · August 1st, 2012, 06:46 PM

I really hope that this will lead to Tri-Rail expansions. There's talk of expansions from MIA to MetroZoo and along the FEC Line up to Jupiter. All of the projects are financially feasible. We could theoretically get 20+ new Tri-Rail stops in three or four years. That combined with the new "high" speed line to Orlando could provide the impetus for a rail resurgence in the state.

tampasteve · August 1st, 2012, 07:21 PM

I REAAALLLY hope that this goes through, goes well, and works. Hopefully once it get going they will add the ORL-TPA route. That would be a pretty fast build out if the state provides the ROW for the line. Which, since HSR is dead, should be a no brainer.

Steve

skyscraperhighrise · August 2nd, 2012, 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by tampasteve

I REAAALLLY hope that this goes through, goes well, and works. Hopefully once it get going they will add the ORL-TPA route. That would be a pretty fast build out if the state provides the ROW for the line. Which, since HSR is dead, should be a no brainer.

Steve

I'm glad the free market is making this decision instead of the government.

SkyDiveJunkee · August 2nd, 2012, 04:04 AM

^Don't kid yourself. Where do you think the right of way is coming from?

Dale · August 2nd, 2012, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by SkyDiveJunkee

^Don't kid yourself. Where do you think the right of way is coming from?

This is liking lobbing me a watermelon. The private sector.

edit: Oops! thought you said 'the right way.'

TampaMike · August 2nd, 2012, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by skyscraperhighrise

I'm glad the free market is making this decision instead of the government.

Amtrak was pretty much private and then the federal government took over. I'll watch and see how long this stays private.

I wonder if the state gave them the ROW right now, they would just add the ORL-TPA line to the overall project?

June 29th, 2012, 10:50 PM	#102
jzquince69 jimmy Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: orlando Posts: 2,480 Likes (Received): 8	I don't know. If you are a convention delegate and need to get to the Peabody or Hilton, etc., a cab can cost more, and a rental is going to be expensive. the only cheap car rentals I've seen are from Enterprise when they have a deal with a garage after you've been in an accident, and you still pay $$$ per day, not to mention an extra $10-12/day for insurance if you so choose. I've got a buddy at Mears and OIA to Winter Park is like $55. Half that distance would cost between $25-30. That's about the distance from OIA to OCCC. That's an expensive cab ride by comparison. I think the price is decent considering. We can't apply the NYC Subway rate standard or MARTA to this line... Convention business can drive this thing along with tourism. Locals won't use it that much. Tourists pay through the roof for certain services wherever you go. If they can build it, connecting OIA to Florida Mall to the OCCC could be very successful, as long as the stations are well placed. I'm assuming there would be a SLR station as well to connect to Sunrail, unless Sunrail goes to OIA thru Taft. Last edited by jzquince69; June 29th, 2012 at 10:56 PM.

July 2nd, 2012, 09:30 PM	#108
tampasteve Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Tampa Posts: 2,362 Likes (Received): 2	If Sunrail does not go to OIA then there is also a ready market for people to use a Sunrail/Maglev combo to get to OIA as it is cheaper than parking over a few days. Now if Sunrail does go to OIA then that is another story. Steve __________________ Homer: Face it, Marge, Catholics rule! We got Boston, South America, the good part of Ireland, and we're makin' serious inroads in Mozambique, baby! "My badger's gonna unleash hell on your ass. Badgertastic!"

August 1st, 2012, 07:21 PM	#116
tampasteve Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Tampa Posts: 2,362 Likes (Received): 2	I REAAALLLY hope that this goes through, goes well, and works. Hopefully once it get going they will add the ORL-TPA route. That would be a pretty fast build out if the state provides the ROW for the line. Which, since HSR is dead, should be a no brainer. Steve __________________ Homer: Face it, Marge, Catholics rule! We got Boston, South America, the good part of Ireland, and we're makin' serious inroads in Mozambique, baby! "My badger's gonna unleash hell on your ass. Badgertastic!"

August 2nd, 2012, 04:04 AM	#118
SkyDiveJunkee Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,493 Likes (Received): 10	^Don't kid yourself. Where do you think the right of way is coming from? Last edited by SkyDiveJunkee; August 2nd, 2012 at 12:51 PM.

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June 30th, 2012, 02:02 PM	#104
jzquince69 jimmy Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: orlando Posts: 2,480 Likes (Received): 8	Well, if I took Sunrail from downtown to get to the Fla Mall, that could be expensive ala Maglev connector. Or not, the price of a gallon of gas is $3.50 to $4.00. SLR to Fla Mall wouldn't be $12, it would be something like $6.00 I gather.

July 2nd, 2012, 12:56 AM	#106
jzquince69 jimmy Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: orlando Posts: 2,480 Likes (Received): 8	true, but i thought its $12 from OIA to the OCCC. SLR/Sunrail to Fla Mall ala Maglev is like 1/3 the distance so I'm assuming its less than half the price, unless its a flat fee.

July 2nd, 2012, 01:14 AM	#107
DShoost88 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Boca Raton/Boston Posts: 1,032 Likes (Received): 3	This article says it would be a free transfer from Maglev to Lynx: http://www.wmfe.org/site/News2?page=...s_iv_ctrl=1041

July 13th, 2012, 12:06 AM	#111
jzquince69 jimmy Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: orlando Posts: 2,480 Likes (Received): 8	Not sure if anyone posted this, but its from back on June 22, 2012... only 3 weeks ago. But, it also discusses OIA expansion plans: http://www.cfnews13.com/content/news...mi_train_.html

July 31st, 2012, 12:54 AM	#112
SkyDiveJunkee Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,493 Likes (Received): 10	"All Aboard Florida announced New York-based Skidmore, Owings & Merrill LLP will be the project’s lead architect and planner handling development of the initial concepts for its four stations and related transit‐oriented developments in Miami, Fort Lauderdale, West Palm Beach and Orlando. Meanwhile, Miami‐based architect firm Zyscovich Inc. will serve as associate architect and planner." http://www.bizjournals.com/orlando/n...rchitects.html

August 1st, 2012, 04:39 PM	#113
DGM Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Basel/SF/Miami Posts: 610 Likes (Received): 1	Wow, they're clearly not messing around if they are going with SOM. If you're not familiar with this company, then I suggest you check out their previous transportation projects.

August 1st, 2012, 04:41 PM	#114
Dale Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Orlando,FL Posts: 7,731 Likes (Received): 25	I'm beginning to get the feeling that this is really going to happen. If so, it will beat the hell out of California's 'Train to Nowhere' as a viable model for rail transit in the new economy.

August 1st, 2012, 06:46 PM	#115
DGM Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Basel/SF/Miami Posts: 610 Likes (Received): 1	I really hope that this will lead to Tri-Rail expansions. There's talk of expansions from MIA to MetroZoo and along the FEC Line up to Jupiter. All of the projects are financially feasible. We could theoretically get 20+ new Tri-Rail stops in three or four years. That combined with the new "high" speed line to Orlando could provide the impetus for a rail resurgence in the state.