2010 Urbanized Areas: Miami 4th largest City in the US?

[ftlauddude]

Our area is starting to be like NYC or L.A. look how little they added in terms of area and now look @ the population. That means that for some weird reason Miami (and others) are become more dense; who would have thought?!?!

[UMdev]

I think people are also mixing issues here. The growth of a city/state can come from migration, immigration or just local population growth.

To say that people are leaving on area and going to another we would need to look at migration. Sure one area's population could be growing faster than another but that could be due to the fact that maybe they're are simply having more babies. Studies show that as income and education levels increase people tend to have less children.

So looking at migration here are the top 10 states where people moved to in 2010.

1.Texas 486,558
2.Florida 482,889
3.California 444,749
4.New York 269,427
5.North Carolina 263,256
6.Virginia 259,507
7.Georgia 249,459
8.Pennsylvania 235,580
9.Arizona 222,725
10.Illinois 203,959

We studied a lot about demographics in grad school and the consensus seemed to be that people were moving into major metropolitan area. Pretty much the only state that doesn't fall into one of the top MSA's is North Carolina and which has Charlotte growing as it's now the second largest banking center after NY.

[PeterSmith]

Cool maps that show where Americans are moving to and from. Black lines are people moving in and red lines are people moving out. Data is from 2008.

Miami


Manhattan


LA


Seattle


Detroit

[Lakelander]

Poor Detroit.

[CalleOchoGringo]

Clearly, Detroit is the place to be!

[Hia-leah JDM]

AMERICANS MIGRATING LESS, NOT GOING FAR

(Bloomberg News) Fallout from the longest economic slump since the Great Depression made Americans less likely to move and more likely to go shorter distances when they did.

Hampered by an inability to find new jobs or sell their homes, people moving from Manhattan made the Bronx their single-biggest destination. Washington, D.C., residents were most likely to relocate to neighboring Prince George's County, Maryland, and Los Angelenos decamped for adjacent San Bernardino County, data released yesterday by the Census Bureau show.

The 2005-09 figures were the first look at U.S. migratory patterns since the 2000 census, spanning the peak of the housing bubble and the near-collapse of the global financial system.

"Long-distance moves took a bigger hit during the recession," William Frey, a senior demographer at the Washington-based Brookings Institution, said in an e-mail. "Shorter-distance moves tend to be safer, close to home and likely to have occurred as a result of foreclosures."

Even in cities that suffered the steepest population declines, residents relocated only short distances. The largest share of refugees from Detroit, which lost a quarter of its population from 2000 to 2010, moved to neighboring Michigan counties. Three of the most-popular destinations for people moving out of Chicago, whose population fell 6.9 percent, were the adjacent counties of DuPage, Will and Lake.

Moving On Up

While Manhattan showed a modest population gain during the decade, surging real estate prices forced thousands of people out of the heart of New York and into neighboring boroughs. The data show that 16,686 people left New York County for the Bronx, one of the nation's poorest counties.

More than 11,000 people moved from Brooklyn to Manhattan between 2005 and 2009; they were replaced by 15,020 people in Manhattan who left for Brooklyn. Queens provided 7,742 new residents for Manhattan, which more than returned the favor by sending 8,782 people across the East River to the borough.

While four of the five biggest sources of migration to Manhattan came from surrounding counties, Europeans were the second-largest source of newcomers to the borough, the census data showed. Europeans made up 10,438 of Manhattan's new residents between 2005 and 2009.

The fourth- and fifth-highest number of departing Manhattan residents wound up in neighboring Hudson County, New Jersey, and Westchester County, New York.

Staying Within Michigan

Likewise, the top five destinations of residents leaving Detroit were in Michigan. Oakland County, adjacent to Detroit, picked up 18,957 new residents from the Motor City, while 11,808 moved to Detroit from Oakland.

Maryland suburbs accounted for the bulk of departing Washington residents, with Prince George's County taking in 13,825 former capital dwellers. Montgomery County, Maryland, received another 5,667 people from Washington, and Arlington County, Virginia, received 3,384.

The largest number of people leaving San Francisco remained in the Bay Area. The Census Bureau estimated 11,002 people left for San Mateo County. Another 7,761 moved to Alameda County, and 4,141 wound up in Contra Costa.

Asians, the nation's fastest-growing racial group, made up the fifth-largest source of newcomers to Manhattan and Washington as well as the third-largest number of new residents for Wayne County, Michigan, home to Detroit, offsetting at least part of the city's population plunge.

Asians constituted the third-largest number of new San Franciscans and the largest single number of newcomers to Chicago, Los Angeles, San Diego and Santa Clara, California.

Miami Draws Immigrants

Miami retained its reputation as a magnet for immigrants, with four of its five largest incoming groups originating overseas. An estimated 15,318 people moved to Miami-Dade County from Caribbean countries.

Neighboring Broward County contributed 11,514 newcomers, and South American countries were responsible for another 6,652 new Miami residents. Central American and European immigrants made up the fourth- and fifth-largest groups for Miami-Dade County, the Census Bureau said.

Central Americans, the nation's second-fastest growing group, were responsible for the third-largest number of newcomers to Los Angeles and the largest source of incoming residents for Harris County, Texas, where 18,273 moved, and in Bexar County, home to San Antonio, where 5,905 moved.

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[CalleOchoGringo]

Not a surprise. The housing bust has made moving hard as it has made selling a home (and getting out of it at least what you put in) very difficult. Expect that to slowly ease in the coming years and domestic migration will pick back up again. Of course international immigration shouldn't be affected by that, and doesn't appear to be.

[Hia-leah JDM]

July 2011 Numbers link

Miami-Dade County had the 4th highest numerical gain between 2010-11 with 58,331(2.3%), only behind Houston, LA and Phoenix.

Miami-Dade also surpassed Kings County, NY as the 7th largest county in the country.

South Florida was also the 44th fastest growing metropolitan area in the country between 2010-11 with an increase of 1.9% (105,490). DC, Dallas and Houston are the only comparable metro areas with more growth with just less than .5% of an advantage.

[dave8721]

City of Miami's population in 2011 estimated at 408,568.

http://www.bizjournals.com/southflor...s-largest.html

[Hia-leah JDM]

Hialeah, Hollywood, and Coral Springs lost a couple hundred while Ft. Lauderdale lost almost two thousand.

[Alexdw85]

Originally Posted by Hia-leah JDM

Hialeah, Hollywood, and Coral Springs lost a couple hundred while Ft. Lauderdale lost almost two thousand.

All of that was more than made up by gains in Miramar and Pembroke Pines.

id also like to know what is the deal with Port St Lucie? Gaining 20,000 people in a couple of years. Thats pretty substantial.

[ftlauddude]

Originally Posted by Hia-leah JDM

July 2011 Numbers link

Miami-Dade County had the 4th highest numerical gain between 2010-11 with 58,331(2.3%), only behind Houston, LA and Phoenix.

Miami-Dade also surpassed Kings County, NY as the 7th largest county in the country.

South Florida was also the 44th fastest growing metropolitan area in the country between 2010-11 with an increase of 1.9% (105,490). DC, Dallas and Houston are the only comparable metro areas with more growth with just less than .5% of an advantage.

And Broward was 14th with 32,106 and Palm Beach 47th with 15,053.

[Obfuscatus]

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[spellbound]

Originally Posted by Obfuscatus

Unfortunately, it looks like your hometown of Philly was one of the metro areas that managed to become LESS dense in the last decade, by adding sprawling tracts of land and proportionally fewer people. Philly is joined in the 'becoming less-dense' club with Phoenix, Atlanta, Dallas, Charlotte and many others.

Miami is my hometown. I think I would be aware of where I'm from!

I'm also a Dade taxpayer, property owner, and help run a business with 35 employees there. Just so you know. I'll also be making my fourth trip back since Christmas in a week.

And to reiterate, plenty to celebrate about the 2010 census in both Miami AND Philly. Philadelphia (the city itself) is adding new residents at an increasing pace and becoming younger, wealthier, and far more diverse. Just as Miami is seeing some very positive gains, particularly in the downtown core.

This isn't a competition, even if some folks seem to think that way. Both places have a lot going for them. A LOT. And neither is comparable to a place like Detroit, even though I certainly root for that city to reverse its decline and someday regain its economic footing.

I am glad you share the mature desire to see ALL American cities do well and look forward to hearing more in that spirit.

[spellbound]

I want to know who those people are who moved from Dade to Nome, Alaska.

[spellbound]

As fate would have it, this appeared in today's Philadelphia Inquirer. The numbers don't lie:


Posted: Fri, Apr. 6, 2012, 2:00 AM


Phila.'s dying? Where's the data for that?

By Patrick Kerkstra

For The Inquirer

Is Philadelphia dying?

It's an old question. Increasingly, it's also a stupid one. Philadelphia is not dying. And that fact is head-smackingly obvious both on the city's ever more vibrant streets and in the data.

And yet the notion that Philadelphia is a city on the edge of the abyss just won't go away. This week, the Daily Beast, Newsweek's website, argued that Philadelphia was a city in decline, a metropolis "struggling to get back on its feet" after the recession, a town that was "no longer that shining beacon of hope that the Founding Fathers saw as the symbolic home of a newborn republic."

Hang your head, Philadelphia, the Founding Fathers disapprove. The piece also managed to work in a cheesesteak reference. Disappointingly, the article fell just short of hitting the trifecta: no mention of Santa and the snowballs.

Befitting a premise this epically wrong, it took only a few hours after the story was published for fresh proof to emerge that the city was actually in the middle of a reasonably strong recovery. The same day the Daily Beast took its shot, the Census Bureau released new population figures estimating that Philadelphia has added 10,465 residents since the 2010 count.

And, let's remember, the 2010 figures were the first in 60 years to show that Philadelphia was growing again, not shrinking. What's more, the population of young adults - those between 20 and 34 - grew by 15 percent between 2000 and 2010, even as the nation as a whole grew grayer.


How about unemployment? The city's jobless rate is 10.5 percent, an ugly number cited prominently in the Daily Beast's article, which leans heavily on data compiled for the annual state of the city report by the Pew Philadelphia Research Initiative.

But Pew highlighted another employment indicator the Daily Beast overlooked: The city's unemployment rate is declining much more quickly than the national or state averages. Actually, most big cities have higher unemployment rates than the rest of the country, in good economic times and bad. Unemployment in Los Angeles stands at 13.3 percent, for instance, and nobody is suggesting that L.A. is dying.

Another sign of Philadelphia's alleged descent into the urban afterlife is the city's housing market, where sales have fallen off every year since 2005. But this argument is preposterous. Sales are off in almost every corner of the country. In fact, Philadelphia homes have held their value better than those in almost any big city in the country, outperforming New York, Washington, Seattle, San Francisco, and many other far more prosperous communities, according to research by Kevin Gillen, a housing expert at Econsult.

The real story - one that's not fully appreciated even locally - is that homes in Philadelphia have increased in value by 45 percent over the last 10 years, even accounting for the popping of the housing bubble. That's 2.5 times the national appreciation rate, and double the increase seen in the Philadelphia suburbs, according to Gillen.

That does not sound like a death rattle to me.

Indeed, with the population growth, the relatively stable home values, and the fast-falling city unemployment rate, Philadelphia is actually outperforming its suburban neighbors in a lot of key metrics for the first time in a long time. In other words, the data suggest Philadelphia is leading the region's recovery, not holding it back.

Yes, Philadelphia suffered in the recession (as did everywhere else). And yes, Philadelphia has huge, pressing problems. The ongoing flight of the middle class - including the African American middle class - is deeply troubling. Poverty is endemic, taxes are too high, City Hall's revenues are too low, the public schools are by and large failing, and violent crime is unacceptably commonplace.

But all of that was true 20 years ago as well.

And in spite of it all, Philadelphia endures. That's because the sum of the city's appeal can't be totaled up by subtracting the homicide rate from an index of property values. Other things matter too, and maybe they matter even more: Rittenhouse Square on those first few days when the temperature tops 70 degrees. Block party season. Food trucks, whether they're serving cuisine that is haute or just hot.

For too many longtime residents, these urban charms are outweighed by the seamier side of city life. That's unfortunate. But to dwell on the departures alone undersells the city. The fact is, Philadelphia is becoming a city of choice, a destination for people with other options, people who in years past chose the suburbs or other cities regarded as more economically dynamic. Empty nesters. Young college graduates. Immigrants.


Chumps, I guess, every last one. After all, Philadelphia is dying.

[theEmbarcadero]

Originally Posted by spellbound

I want to know who those people are who moved from Dade to Nome, Alaska.

I know some people can't take the heat and humidity of Miami, but that is a little extreme....don't you think!?!?!?!

[spellbound]

Originally Posted by theEmbarcadero

I know some people can't take the heat and humidity of Miami, but that is a little extreme....don't you think!?!?!?!

Nothing against commuting to work via kissing the wife goodbye and hitching up a dozen Siberian Huskies to a sled and yelling "mush," but agreed.