Pastor Oyedepo, Nigeria’s wealthiest pastor, floats Dominion airline

[Arinze]

To make sure you are keeping up your end of the bargain when you claim tax exemption, duh.

only you would argue against record keeping...

If you were paid to write that down it was for a medical reason, duh.

Empathy is a foreign concept for you isn't it?

[HerachioBlo]

Yes. Anyways if a phone sex operator, and psychic get paid a pastor should too

[Tbite]

Nigerians are not religious.

2% of Nigerians know the meaning of religion.

[Arinze]

Originally Posted by Tbite

Nigerians are not religious.

2% of Nigerians know the meaning of religion.

You can't have corruption up to the eyeballs and claim you are religious

[HerachioBlo]

Well despite what cnn has taught you about your own country. IBB and Obasanjo robbing the country blind doesn't mean all or even most nigerians are corrupt people. Most people are cheerful and honest. Believe it or not nigerians aren't evil or any 'more corrupt' thn anywhere else in africa, and I mean it. Lol at nigerians dont know what religion is. Whatever it takes to argue over the internet I suppose. I once said don't ask nigerians about nigeria, you'll just hear something off the wall and shamelessly exaggerated, and you were all flipping balls about it. Now 2% of nigerians have never heard of religion and every nigerian is too much of a theif to believe in god or go to church/mosque. End of the day the religous nature of all nigerians makes them unbreakably brave, resilient, optimistic and happy, and if your providing that service thn yes you should be paid and paid well.

[Arinze]

[HerachioBlo]

If a stripper or a porn star openned this in the uk we would be praising that countries success and saying why can't an african do this. We would use it as a chance to abuse africas inability to open a private airline. We just got done praising magic johnson for buying a team. Wtf does he do? Play a game? Nigerians go to church the way americans go to games. They leave happy and it brings them together. Yet nigeria remains damned if you do on everything because anything that comes from us is evil I suppose. Now its particularly evil because the way we don't document offering is just nuts. Heavens forbid the government not know how much it can't tax you and other articles of legally mandated useless information. I'm waiting for mcdonalds to start asking dieters for income documentation so that they will know how much money these people won't be giving them as well. Yet our system is crazy or incorrect and asking for information from someone you don't service or earn from isn't.

[Vakai]

Originally Posted by Arinze

You can't have corruption up to the eyeballs and claim you are religious

[Arinze]

Have you finished Ajepako ?

None of your examples are remotely similar or related at all

When did strippers claim tax exempt status? Mc Donald's? Magic Johnson?

Churches and religious institutions are not taxed based on tradition but in order to maintain that status they must abide by certain rules.

The IRS is here to clear it up for you

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-tege/how_...mpt_status.pdf

For all your bluster you miss the fundamental reason why churches have to report what they use their funds for...transparency! Something that is sorely lacking in Nigeria.

[èđđeůx]

Dumb idea. I doubt it'll succeed unless he's going to fly himself and his supporters across Nigeria and the world to make $$......I mean spread the praise of the Lord.

[Arinze]

Originally Posted by èđđeůx

Dumb idea. I doubt it'll succeed unless he's going to fly himself and his supporters across Nigeria and the world to make $$......I mean spread the praise of the Lord.

It will flop, running an airline is not the same as running a church. The latter requires you to actually follow laws and safety regulations, unless he's going domestic...then it really is a true test of faith

[HerachioBlo]

Arinze list the differences between the Nigerian legal code for airline regulation and the American ones. Who is your local government chairman? can you speak igbo? lol you literally have no clue what you're talking about. Anuofia, ima aha LGA ngi? Onye ne chi maka senate nnu? Ele iwu nigeria buru I werre ike ishi I ma, mor oluchi di na ama nnu I werre ike ishi ni jerre? IRS nko?

Originally Posted by Arinze

Have you finished Ajepako ?

None of your examples are remotely similar or related at all

When did strippers claim tax exempt status? Mc Donald's? Magic Johnson?

Churches and religious institutions are not taxed based on tradition but in order to maintain that status they must abide by certain rules.

The IRS is here to clear it up for you

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-tege/how_...mpt_status.pdf

For all your bluster you miss the fundamental reason why churches have to report what they use their funds for...transparency! Something that is sorely lacking in Nigeria.

transparent about what? learn to think. an entity which you cannot legally service and cannot legally service you has to report to you? Seperation of Church and state goes beyond saying In God We Trust in schools.

Did you know in order to sell more then 3 cars a year you have to have a sign, they have rules on what your sign will look like, how your fence will be arrainged, what part of your window, and it must be a window, you will post your hours, what hours you will operate, and you have to, for literally no reason, buy into a $50,000 bank bond. One of the #1 issues in senate and bi-partisan discourse is overt regulation and an overtly bureacratic overhead culture that murders all growth and development.

without reporting five dollar offerings to the internal revenue service which has no mandated right to ask for such information by edict of law, not tradition, a nigerian has opened a private nigerian airline service for nigerians.

then comes the hate, why not? Anyways, power to the man, Arinze you're not a nigerian nor do you think like nigerians and i can say so because im on the boarder. A pastor opening an airline in nigeria is cause of celebration not cause to be condemned and hence why nigeria is one of the only countries achieving this feat.

[Arinze]

Originally Posted by HerachioBlo

Arinze list the differences between the Nigerian legal code for airline regulation and the American ones. Who is your local government chairman? can you speak igbo? lol you literally have no clue what you're talking about.

transparent about what? learn to think. an entity which you cannot legally service and cannot legally service you has to report to you? Seperation of Church and state goes beyond saying In God We Trust in schools.

Did you know in order to sell more then 3 cars a year you have to have a sign, they have rules on what your sign will look like, how your fence will be arrainged, what part of your window, and it must be a window, you will post your hours, what hours you will operate, and you have to, for literally no reason, buy into a $50,000 bank bond. One of the #1 issues in senate and bi-partisan discourse is overt regulation and an overtly bureacratic overhead culture that murders all growth and development.

without reporting five dollar offerings to the internal revenue service which has no mandated right to ask for such information by edict of law, not tradition, a nigerian has opened a private nigerian airline service for nigerians.

then comes the hate, why not? Anyways, power to the man, Arinze you're not a nigerian nor do you think like nigerians and i can say so because im on the boarder. A pastor opening an airline in nigeria is cause of celebration not cause to be condemned and hence why nigeria is one of the only countries achieving this feat.

The FAA actually holds people accountable while FAAN how many times has MMA been cited for failing to meet international standards

why would I have a LGA chairman if I live in the US? The irony is that many Nigerians in Nigeria would be stumped if you asked them the same question.

Nope. But I wonder how knowing Igbo goes hand in hand with spotting a crook when you see one But logic has never been your strong point.


Transparency- as used in science, engineering, business, the humanities and in a social context more generally, implies openness, communication, and accountability.

I gave you a source from the IRS on what can be used to revoke tax exemption status. Did you read it? Obviously not. The IRS has the power to revoke a church's tax exemption status if it believes it's in violation of tax code.

A lot of what you are saying depends on the state.

So you didn't read what I posted from the IRS at all?

And the reason why churches are not taxed does come from tradition brought over from Europe, where churches were also exempt from taxation for religious reasons. It was much later that the topic of the separation of church and state became an issue with regards to taxation of religious entities. You do realize people live in America way before the constitution was drafted

Hating on what?
Thank God I don't think like a Nigerian, left to me Nigeria would be 90% better than it is today, because I'm not a fan of mediocrity.

Whatever man, you clearly are biased and rather ignore the facts on the ground.

All hail Nigeria where anything slightly better than shit is seen as an improvement

are you sure you are studying business at an accredited school? The more you talk the more convinced I am of the fact that you must attend one of those 419 school some folks like to set up.

You can speak Igbo but ignorant to the history and laws of your host country, who is the fool

[HerachioBlo]

Arinze say law in igbo LOL
say history in igbo

I man opens an airline and he's mediocre? or his recently announced airline is mediocre because...?
Arinze you're mediocre lol. the US uses the IRS to check churches, which is argueably against US law and also debating within it's self the strangle hold these checks have on life, and Nigeria doesn't. It's simply a difference. Churches in Nigeria don't steal. The accountability is a man handing another man money. In the US it's technically illegal to sell your possessions without documenting it to the government. YOUR OWN belongings. You can't even really own a home, ever, and Americans themselves are tired of it but you want Nigerians to come now and begin what's killing America and isn't practiced in most of the countries that are seeing growth.


Do you feel that this nigerian man opening a private airline is a bad development for nigeria? do you feel that a lack of 'transparency' in church is hurting nigeria, at all? The product of it is an airline carrier. You can't even die in america without being in violation of a law, or not meeting documentation requirements for your own death, literally.
I know you feel this is totally normal because you're an american, but outside of america there are different systems and they work as well.


unless you feel, against a nigerian man opening a private airline, something we're not seeing anywhere in africa, is a good development because you don't know if your grandmother gave him N1000 or a chicken

[Arinze]

Originally Posted by HerachioBlo

Arinze say law in igbo LOL
say history in igbo

I man opens an airline and he's mediocre? or his recently announced airline is mediocre because...?
Arinze you're mediocre lol. the US uses the IRS to check churches, which is argueably against US law and also debating within it's self the strangle hold these checks have on life, and Nigeria doesn't. It's simply a difference. Churches in Nigeria don't steal. The accountability is a man handing another man money. In the US it's technically illegal to sell your possessions without documenting it to the government. YOUR OWN belongings. You can't even really own a home, ever, and Americans themselves are tired of it but you want Nigerians to come now and begin what's killing America and isn't practiced in most of the countries that are seeing growth.

Do you feel that this nigerian man opening a private airline is a bad development for nigeria? do you feel that a lack of 'transparency' in church is hurting nigeria, at all? The product of it is an airline carrier. You can't even die in america without being in violation of a law, or not meeting documentation requirements for your own death, literally.
I know you feel this is totally normal because you're an american, but outside of america there are different systems and they work as well.

unless you feel, against a nigerian man opening a private airline, something we're not seeing anywhere in africa, is a good development because you don't know if your grandmother gave him N1000 or a chicken

Aww you can't respond back with facts? Poor guy

No wonder you are asking me to speak Igbo, it's the only thing you've going for you

Once again, I gave you a source from the IRS themselves, which states they can remove an organization's tax exemption status, which includes churches (which they have done on several occasions with churches that clearly were fronts for scams, there is a show call American Greed on CNBC that could help brush you up).

Yet you are still arguing, you are definitely more qualified than the damn IRS when it comes to tax law

I did not say his airline was mediocre I said that the mentality of many Nigerians is to accept the bare minimum on everything. Nigeria of today is the end result.

Churches in Nigeria don't steal? :

What a load of crap. If I sale my play station 3 right now, I don't have to report it to anyone. In fact I can several items without reporting any official as long as a significant portion of my income is not coming from those sales. Do you honestly believe that people report their earnings from garage sales? What business are you studying dude

So a deed for a home is worthless? So when the government claims imminent domain in an area, and pays owners compensation it's for show

What is killing America was the lack of common sense and the abundance of easy credit for several decades. And the wrongheaded but understandable goal of wanting to increase homeownership.

What I believe is bad for Nigeria is the lack of accountability in general. China has corruption problems but it's not as pervasive as Nigeria's where the government apparatus has stopped working altogether. This pastor is just a symptom of the overall problem.

You can't die in America without what? Really the bullshitting here is getting silly

And for the most part, the developed world follows many of the same procedures as well. Even Nigeria requires the same documentation, but the officials who are tasked with these functions have stopped doing it or require bribes to do it.

Okay he opened up a private airline, he's not the first in Nigeria or in Africa to do so.

I doubt my grandmother pays tithes with chickens

[HerachioBlo]

im not reading any of that because now you're rabbling. You're an american. Americans, because im here and im one as well, usually think their way is the only way, i can step outside of that skin and say you know, asking someone you don't tax or sponsor to give you documentation for anything is completely ludacrious. It's like the US asking Canadian citizens in canada for a fax of their tax returns. the church is a seperate entity entirely from the state, the state has no legal cause of justification in legislating religious entities even if its asking for income information that it can't legally do anything with.

but you can't step outside of that skin because it's the only one you have. Nigerians have devised their own unique approach to church and state issues. Nobody is complaining about oversight on offerings because it has only brought good to people's lives, it's constructive, and it's economically rewarding as this article shows. So now, because you're fat, we should destroy this system because the american one is different and in america people have to document how much they gave to a church even though the government won't tax it or contribute to that church financially what so ever? Obviously this makes perfect sense to you cause your an American, but a Nigerian views the government intervining with your property and your God the same way an American views juju, and you'll never understand that because you're only an American and your world view in narrow.

this overt overhead that's literally killing the american economy and sending jobs to other countries where you don't have to document that you gave a pastor a chicken and 500 naira and those people are prospering at america's expense. they're the dumb ones to the american because all he knows is iowa and football. the world is full of different ideas and different approaches, why this uniquely nigerian one is incorrect although it is making nigerians wealthy happy to the point of euphoria and employed and adds private airlines to our economy is beyond me.

[Deebo.]

Ajepako i can't believe you will support a pastor collecting money from nigerians...who barely make it by...just shows the greediness nigerians have when given power.....

[TshabalalaGH]

Top 5 richest African pastors are all Nigerian. Theology must be a real lucrative business over there.

[Arinze]

Originally Posted by Deebo.

Ajepako i can't believe you will support a pastor collecting money from nigerians...who barely make it by...just shows the greediness nigerians have when given power.....

Thank you, he can justify it any way he likes but a good deal of these pastors are crooks.

[DaZed and DiZzy]

100 million people are their different church sects