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Old March 30th, 2012, 01:47 AM   #1
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How to build a successful Downtown Stadium

Pretty interesting article. What do y'all think?

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Coors Field, in downtown Denver, became home to baseball's Colorado Rockies in 1995. Its impact on the city was as immediate as it was considerable: housing units in the area of the stadium doubled within a year of its completion, and retail and restaurant development experienced a similar boom. Soon after it opened the stadium's economic influence was estimated at $195 million a year, twice what city officials had predicted.

Chase Field welcomed the Arizona Diamondbacks to downtown Phoenix in 1998, but despite being modeled on Coors Field, it didn't achieve the same level of success. The stadium had little positive impact on its surrounding neighborhood and never became the centerpiece of a downtown redevelopment plan, attracting mostly suburban fans. And while residential development in the downtown area did grow after the stadium's completion, that might have been the result of the housing boom as much as the stadium...
http://www.theatlanticcities.com/job...-stadium/1593/
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Old January 9th, 2013, 07:50 PM   #2
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Not enough pictures, I am sorry.
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Old January 9th, 2013, 09:56 PM   #3
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One question.....is there a good reason why the stadium was built with the main stands facing a featureless, low rise urban sprawl instead of facing downtown Denver?

Seems to me that a truly "successful" downtown stadium project wouldn't have made that basic mistake.
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Old January 9th, 2013, 10:13 PM   #4
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1. Find land
2. Find financing
3. ???
4. Profit

Mind you #1 and #2 might be extremely, extremely hard.
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1. Find land
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Mind you #1 and #2 might be extremely, extremely hard.
Not in America. Especially in the Sun Belt...
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Old January 10th, 2013, 09:21 AM   #6
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Melbourne did it well,\

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Old January 10th, 2013, 09:34 AM   #7
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Not in America. Especially in the Sun Belt...
To be honest I can't think of any modern stadiums in Europe that are downtown. Maybe others can give examples. I would expect the majority of them to be older stadiumgs that have been rebuilt/redeveloped.
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Old January 10th, 2013, 01:32 PM   #8
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To be honest I can't think of any modern stadiums in Europe that are downtown. Maybe others can give examples. I would expect the majority of them to be older stadiumgs that have been rebuilt/redeveloped.
Yes most of the downtown stadia in Europe have indeed been rebuilt or redeveloped on sites of older previous stadia, yet there are plenty of modern downtown stadia in Europe, especially in The UK, Ireland, Netherlands and Belgium you'll find several modern downtown stadia, sometimes with a concept of a shoppingmall implemented into the stadium structure or surrounding.

The Aviva Stadium is very new and downtown, the Amsterdam Arena could also be considered fairly downtown, most stadia in London aren't really off city Limits either. The New White Harte Lane is also proposed as a true downtown stadium with houses all around close by, also the half finished New Mestalla in Valencia is very much downtown.

In Germany the AWD Arena in Hanover is downtown, as well the Weserstadion in Bremen (just a modernized old stadium though) also the rebuilt Millerntorstadion in Hamburg St. Pauli.
And the New Tivoli in Aachen for example has been built completely new on a carefully and very intentionally selected site within city limits near the old stadium (about 300meters away from the previous stadium) and withing comfortable walking dirstance of the cities very center, this was achieved by moving community gardens/ allotments and a tennis club out of the way to make room for the new stadium, created several difficulties with keeping the noisepollution on a legal level, because of nearby housing, wich seems to be more difficult here in Germany than in other countries, especially the UK, because of stricter laws.

So there are indeed several different examples of modern existing or planned downtown stadia in Europe.
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White Hart Lane is not downtown at all. The closest to downtown in London is Stamford Bridge afaik.
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To be honest I can't think of any modern stadiums in Europe that are downtown. Maybe others can give examples. I would expect the majority of them to be older stadiumgs that have been rebuilt/redeveloped.


Millennium Stadium is perhaps one of the most "downtown" downtown stadiums you can get, but, as you suggest is a redeveloped older ground.

Right next to the main railway and bus station. At the end of one of the busiest shopping streets, within a 2 minute walk of 10's of bars. smashing
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Old January 11th, 2013, 01:57 AM   #11
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The Anderlecht (Brussels) stadium is pretty downtown.


The stadium will be completely overhauled as you can see on the picture. Construction starts this year.

Today it looks like this:
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White Hart Lane is not downtown at all. The closest to downtown in London is Stamford Bridge afaik.
Well that depends on how you view it. The downtown of London or city center is of course a little away, still the city spreads out far and the current stadium at White Harte Lane as well as the planned new one have houses and shops all around the stadium right across the street. So even though the term downtown may not be perfect, its certainly still is a stadium in completely urban surrounding, thats why I figured to include it in the list.
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Old January 11th, 2013, 04:48 AM   #13
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Perth Arena is pretty downtown. It's hard to find a good aerial photo though because it's so new.
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One question.....is there a good reason why the stadium was built with the main stands facing a featureless, low rise urban sprawl instead of facing downtown Denver?

Seems to me that a truly "successful" downtown stadium project wouldn't have made that basic mistake.
Baseball fields should be laid out so that a person standing on home plate and facing second base is looking between due north and ENE. There are stadiums that do not adhere to that protocol, and are not popular with the players and fans. So when the available land is north of downtown, then you won't get a view of downtown.
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Old January 11th, 2013, 07:37 AM   #15
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Baseball fields should be laid out so that a person standing on home plate and facing second base is looking between due north and ENE.
due ESE also works
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Melbourne did it well,\

Not really in downtown though.
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Petco Park in SD is a good example of a downtown ballpark.

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Not really in downtown though.
It is right next to the CBD... how is that not downtown?
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White Hart Lane is not downtown at all.
White Hart Lane is a short walk away from Tottenham town centre. But then again does the Spurs ground reside there for more than a century. It can barely described as a new development therefore.
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London can't really be applied as an example overall because it has a multiple of football teams with stadia in the area whereas the likes of Coors Field or Petco Park are the only baseball teams in the area so aren't really competing with anyone else (granted NFL teams also but even so that's two per city).

Furthermore, the cities aren't anywhere near as big as London so in theory it's slightly easier to get the plots of land (lower prices, smaller city means you're automatically closer to the centre within city limits etc.) whereas in the likes of London/Paris/New York etc, it's next to impossible to get the land available with transport links etc. to make a viable 'downtown' stadium come to fruition.

Lastly, because of the nature of American sports franchises, it means that the stadiums are built with the full co-operation (and indeed often by) the city itself in an effort to ensure the teams remain in the city/area whereas in London this is not the case at all. Of all the developments/redevelopments in the last few years, the majority are rebuilds on existing sites. Indeed Arsenal's stadium is the only one I can think of where an entirely new location was used and developed successfully
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