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Old February 22nd, 2015, 05:00 PM   #341
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The Germans deserve a lot of credit for how they have promoted and marketed rebuilding places that were lost in the war or to the communists afterwards. Showing those wrought iron elements of the Garrison Church will surely make people see the possibilities. I'm always amazed at how the German Communists always oppose rebuilding the architectural treasures of their own country.
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Old February 22nd, 2015, 05:19 PM   #342
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Erbse: I choked from laughter reading your comment about Willi Brandt Airport.
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Old February 22nd, 2015, 05:31 PM   #343
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The Germans deserve a lot of credit for how they have promoted and marketed rebuilding places that were lost in the war or to the communists afterwards. Showing those wrought iron elements of the Garrison Church will surely make people see the possibilities. I'm always amazed at how the German Communists always oppose rebuilding the architectural treasures of their own country.

Quick, easy answer is that they don't see them as treasures, rather symbols of oppression.

More specifically, the communists are/were more committed to the international communist ideology and 'religion' rather than their own national interests, local issues, and wants and needs of the population. A key element to communist brainwashing is to remove and otherwise destroy positive aspects of former times. In east Germany, in particular, the communists were driven to ethnically cleanse many aspects of former German grandeur, including architecture, in order to differentiate the DDR from the west and more align with the basics of life under communist tyranny. Like any religious zealotry, these current communists don't shed their ideology easily.
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Old February 23rd, 2015, 10:00 PM   #344
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Quick, easy answer is that they don't see them as treasures, rather symbols of oppression.

More specifically, the communists are/were more committed to the international communist ideology and 'religion' rather than their own national interests, local issues, and wants and needs of the population. A key element to communist brainwashing is to remove and otherwise destroy positive aspects of former times. In east Germany, in particular, the communists were driven to ethnically cleanse many aspects of former German grandeur, including architecture, in order to differentiate the DDR from the west and more align with the basics of life under communist tyranny. Like any religious zealotry, these current communists don't shed their ideology easily.
I agree almost everything with you. To be honest, I think East Germany specially, was "de facto" under occupation until 1990s when the Wall fell. The communies wanted deny Germany as a nation and as a "Volk", people. They wanted to rebuild a nation from 0. Not only nazi past but Empire one include should have been vanished. Communist society was a totatlitarian project too. Maybe worst than nazism, because it was a society under extreme control and radically rationalized. I think modernism architecture give us some evidences of it. It is "an architecture without people", because it not result of a culture and a nation and don't show what civilization it belongs to. Communists and globalists have many things in common. They want supress totally the borders and the idea of nations. It is a denial of ethinicity, culture and history.
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Old February 25th, 2015, 03:05 PM   #346
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I think modernism architecture give us some evidences of it. It is "an architecture without people", because it not result of a culture and a nation and don't show what civilization it belongs to.
Modernism varied across countries in materiality, fenestration, orientation and style (to some degree). In the same way that modernism took hold, previous styles have done the same: Gothic, Renaissance, Baroque etc.
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The relatively new reddish pink brickwork on the facade of the main palace looks like its being copied for the Coummuns as well. But, this is not brick; it is painted with light colored paint to look like mortar.

Is this fake brick facade with painted squares to give the impression of brick an original element? Or was the facade natural stone?
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It's originally like that, a typical element of Prussian/Friderician Baroque. You can find a few other structures that are similar, in Park Sanssouci as well.

Thanks for the updates btw! It's great to see more attention given to the surroundings of Neues Palais, the actual main structure of the Gardens.
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The relatively new reddish pink brickwork on the facade of the main palace looks like its being copied for the Coummuns as well. But, this is not brick; it is painted with light colored paint to look like mortar.

Is this fake brick facade with painted squares to give the impression of brick an original element? Or was the facade natural stone?


Potsdam used to be Germanys Camp David. Every generation of Prussian Kings from the Capitol of Koenigsberg or later Berlin and later from the united Kingdoms, therefore Kaiserreich of Germany build something in Potsdam.

This building was build for no [email protected]!!! Than showing of that the kingdom of Prussia was still in good shape at the end of the seven Year war in the 1750`s. The building is as impressive inside than outside. Upstairs is a huge ballroom with a marble floor 7000 sq feet 600 m2 made out of 16 types of marble. Underneath a huge grotto the same size covert and decorated with ocean mussels and shells! Anyway, it was build with green oak beams. No time to dry them.The rain drainage was put inside for aesthetics and is failing. The facade is covert in stucco and painted with fake bricks. They would have been too expansive. So, to answer the question: The painted bricks are original. The pavement of the court outside is also original. Btw: The foundation is dry for the first time ever! There is no basement. The project is very expansive but comes to a close soon.
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That is so funny. Here I thought painting squares to look like brick was an invention of 1950s tacky suburban America!

Also, note the large dome on the top of the Neues Palais. It is not a finished space and has only ever been used for storage.
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That is so funny. Here I thought painting squares to look like brick was an invention of 1950s tacky suburban America!
The story grows better! The very first stone building of Germany was a fake

When the Roman Empire founded the city of Cologne they build government buildings out of wood, plastered them good and painted with stonework!
"The Architect went over budget for no reason" they said. That was 2000 Years ago. Besides, where do you think America got it from? And the Icing on the cake is when today`s Architects claim "It is fake!" to build traditional. Have they not learned from history?
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Danke! Good to see update pictures, the very center of Potsdam finally gets its glamour back. It's like seeing a poor girl with an accidentally burned face getting back to her former normal appearance.

It's cruelly funny how bad this "modernist masterpiece" of the FH performs next to any of the adjacent classical beauties. Luckily it'll vanish soon...
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What will be done with that 1960's building on stilts?
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It will be torn down in 2017. I'm counting each day...
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And a new classic building would be reconstructed there?

By the way, anyone knows if the statues are going to be reconstructed in the palace?
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