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Old September 19th, 2015, 10:37 PM   #521
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Let's talk about another reconstruction. Not mentioned here before. Getting mixed up? That is good

There has been a Plattenbau removed. This one in the middle:

pick from wikipedia
after the demolition from 2011


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The box in the back will also demolished for the church reconstruction
The box we are standing on, will also demolished


picks from Platinir

And this is what they are going to rebuild! The entire intersection!
The intersection is called 8 Ecken, because there are eight corners. Ecke = Corner


The gray buildings already exist:

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The intersection in the middle with the red still standing

1955

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Old September 19th, 2015, 11:05 PM   #522
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And the next reconstruction update.
It's the little Lust-Garten called park by the Mercure Hotel and reconstructed Stadtschloss
There is an little organization, collecting money for the rebuild of all.
This happened in 2014. The statues are very, very expansive!


1927

Back again: "Triton" #9 of Neptune's group




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It was really a nice party afterwards! many people came out.
Two associations called for a get together. The Rotary club Potsdam Alter Markt and Foerder Gesellschaft zum wiederaufbau der Neptun Gruppe



What the heck is he just blowing around?

Took a little bit longer, so it was done in the evening.


The statue was damaged during the war. Not anymore!

music playing in the background
The horses will be reconstructed next. Someone donated 100 000 for them

https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...Jzcr3fZ2WU#t=0
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Old September 19th, 2015, 11:13 PM   #523
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If you like to follow me to the update of the new shipping terminal:
We stay in the Lustgarten. The owner of the ship fleet "Weisse Flotte" is putting up a new service terminal. picks May 2015



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Old September 19th, 2015, 11:36 PM   #524
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Potsdam is on steroids!! :O
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Old September 19th, 2015, 11:56 PM   #525
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Let's take a walk at the Neuer Garten Park!

The Park has three castles and 100 other structures. "He" is also flanked by unbelievable buildings by it's borders.....
This is Cecilienhof

Build started 1913. Has not been mayorly renovated since

British tudor style...

The reconstructed library, already introduced pages before....

Egyptian tomb. Used as ice shelter.

fake Hieroglyphs. Someone said back then that it was getting harder finding usefulness for the kings building collection..

The castle Marmorpalais. The "peaceful" DDR used it to show wappens like tanks and bomber plains...

If you like to discover Potsdam, take a boat. You can rent your own boat for 30 Euro a day and
sleep on it with your whole group. There are even open fire pits on them boats! Everything can be reached by water. Potsdam has 30 lakes or so
plus canals and rivers......

Marble Palais again...


This is another reconstruction. Finished two or three years ago.
It was an Einsiedler' home. You know someone who wants to get away from civilisation and lives
somewhere in nowhere. Well here it was copied. There was a payed fake hermit living in here.
The rebuild is spectacular! The house is clad in tree bark!

Also out of tree bark, the tree bark kitchen. Please don't mix them up. I do.
Was just a short fashion. It's doors are clad in treebark, too.


Next the second Dutch quarter. The trees make it look bigger. They know what they where doing, respect!

Storage buildings can be nice, too


The already shown kitchen. It's hard to tell if it is renovated or not;-)

the grotto!! Will be fixed soon!

The gothic library at the Jungfernsee
as you can see, it's a lust building. Meaning there is no purpose.
It has no doors or windows and any passerby can enter for free.....

The German - German border. Thanks used to block it of. Used only for agent exchange......
Used to be Reichsstrasse one.

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Old September 20th, 2015, 01:16 AM   #526
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I think, I made a mistake. I think there are four castles, not three and a castle that is not a castle but looks like one and has a castles size......

Anyway...... If you follow me, please. We are about to find out.
There is also a Russian village with 15 houses and a orthodox church of course.
It was build for the visit of Zar Alexander. he was delighted!
Probably too good to point out the missing link between Robinson being rescued from his
island after years and first offered a coconut "because he is used to it"
Btw. After Alexsander they named Alexander Platz or square in downtown Berlin.
The Zar donated a copy of St. Petersburg's Horse monument for the front of Berlin Schloss. There is an argument putting it back to the front of the Schloss.

The colony "Alexandrowka" with the church Alexandro-Newski. Many Sowjets got married here.



The buildings are owned and rented by parks Potsdam. Some wait for renovation.
This one is not complete as you can see:

This one is complete:

Thanks, unify


Let's move through the park to the castle, that is no castle.
It is another lust building and called "Belvedere auf den Pfingstberg"
There are several Belvedere here, so you have to watch it.
On our way there:

The ice keller from 1790

The Marmorpalais from 1787 - 92

The Architects where Contard and Langhans d. A.




Nikolai Church downtown

Another building experiment: The Schindlhaus by Krueger 1790


Villa Quand. Living right by the park is very fashionable

This is used today as offices for the international Fontaine archive
That is today's Potsdams economy: International Associations and Organizations are
headquartered not in Berlin, no instead here in Potsdam. Germany's secret capital! Later more to that.....
This little Temple was build by famous K. F. Schinkel one of two most famous architects of the 19th century
It's used as a toilet. Well.....whatever. At least it's used.
It is another reconstruction. Rebuild in the 1990's


Now we have arrived to our target: The Pfingstberg. It's huge.....

Build by Persius (Germany's #3), Stueler and Hesse. Between 1847 - 52 and 1860 - 63. Never finished completely....


It is not really a castle, no windows. A Lust-build in Greek!






A picture from Gaertner 1865

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Old September 20th, 2015, 01:31 AM   #527
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The first plan. Not realized.


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No water, because renovations


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Old September 20th, 2015, 01:32 PM   #528
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It's so unbelievable that a city like Potsdam is doing so much renovations and reconstructions, especially when you consider that it's a former commmunist town of medium size overshadowed by its big brother Berlin. I'm also surprised that the city is demolishing commie buildings for reconstructions, we haven't seen that (yet) in Dresden.
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Old September 20th, 2015, 03:35 PM   #529
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Dresden also has torn down commie buildings for reconstructions, such as the former police HQ annex at Neumarkt (where now Quartier III is).

As for Potsdam: It truly is the Prussian Arcadia, so full of magic and discovery.
And it's getting better each and every day!
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Old September 20th, 2015, 07:15 PM   #530
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Dresden also has torn down commie buildings for reconstructions, such as the former police HQ annex at Neumarkt (where now Quartier III is).

As for Potsdam: It truly is the Prussian Arcadia, so full of magic and discovery.
And it's getting better each and every day!
I meant residential commieblocks. It's complicated for a smaller, post-communist city like Potsdam to move people out of their homes, but it's worth it when you see the result. Potsdam is turning into a real beauty, despite all the destruction it faced.

Will the buildings on the 8 Ecken intersection be reconstructed? It seems to me that the plans show a somewhat wider street, which eliminates historical reconstruction. It would be stupid since it was one of the most interesting places of prewar Potsdam.
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Old September 20th, 2015, 07:50 PM   #531
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Dresden simply does not have typical commieblocks in the inner city center, where most of the reconstruction is done. The Neumarkt area was, except for the police building, empty since 1945. The Hilton hotel was already built in typical DDR postmodernism.

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Thanks for these great updates!
Man, I still can't get over this AnOldBlackMarbel guy jumping in here and likening the reconstruction efforts to Skopje. So ignorant as well as offensive at the same time...
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Would you not consider the entire areas west and south of Postplatz, Pragerstrasse from the hauptbahnhof north, the east and west sides of kulturpalast along Wilsdruferstrasse to be inner city center? These parts are filled with commie blocks, and particularly ugly ones at that.
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Old September 20th, 2015, 09:44 PM   #534
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Thanks for these great updates!
Man, I still can't get over this AnOldBlackMarbel guy jumping in here and likening the reconstruction efforts to Skopje. So ignorant as well as offensive at the same time...
Well, you shouldn't be, especially because few of the forumers, including you, explained to him why he was wrong and he understood it. Now we have one more supporter of reconstructions.

Just a year ago I couldn't imagine myself supporting reconstructions of destroyed buildings or building new buildings in old style. I was all for glass and new. I even imagined the old area of my beautiful little town (it's not Zadar ) being replaced by simple, glass boxes. Then I visited Zagreb in November of 2014. I've been there before, but I didn't actually pay attention to the old buildings. I was just stunned with all those historicist buildings lined in perfect harmony. It was winter, so it added more charm and beauty to it. I began investigating historical architecture, and one thing led to another, I found Dresden's thread. It was mindblowing to me and it completely changed my view of architecture. Now I support all kinds of reconstructions. It's funny, how a hardcore modernist can turn pro-reconstruction by just SEEING old buildings. That tells you something. Although, I still like exciting modern architecture, when it's not out of context and disrespectful to the history of the cities.
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Would you not consider the entire areas west and south of Postplatz, Pragerstrasse from the hauptbahnhof north, the east and west sides of kulturpalast along Wilsdruferstrasse to be inner city center? These parts are filled with commie blocks, and particularly ugly ones at that.
No, the inner city center is what we would call Altstadt in German. The pre industrial, once walled city core. The buildings along the Wilsdruffer Staße are not "commie blocks". At least not in the sense of "Plattenbau" as I understand this exclusevily english and actually not very helpful term. They were bult in a conventional way.
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It's so unbelievable that a city like Potsdam is doing so much renovations and reconstructions, especially when you consider that it's a former commmunist town of medium size overshadowed by its big brother Berlin. I'm also surprised that the city is demolishing commie buildings for reconstructions, we haven't seen that (yet) in Dresden.
Potsdam is expected to increase from 120 000 to 160 000 inhabitants. It's economy was castle building and maintenance, the court of course and wealthy families cottages. Military was very big and a little bit of light industrial. After the first war the city got kinda forgotten. The Reich had no stronghold in Potsdam, but the movies in Babelsberg made good money nearby, since the people where Kaiser supporters. The communists had no support whatsoever. The DDR started a replacement of people. Mechanics for example, would get a good job offer and a apartment somewhere. Let's say Magdeburg. Communist supporters would get some science job, apartment for the family in Potsdam. Funny questions could cause cancellation the approval of this year's hotel vacation in Hungary by your family or the telephone connection you ordered three years ago will take another three years.


Today the military is closed down. The target would be too close to Berlin. Cottages for rich Berliners is one economy. Tourism is growing but in infant stage. In Babelsberg close by are the filmindusty of the Babelsberg Film Studios. The studios are hiring ever more. The Airport in close by Schoenefeld will create then thousand jobs once it opens. Computer, Shipping and Amusement Parks are opening. But the biggest economy are international clients like the HQ for the Red Cross or the International teachers union or other international associations. Hundreds of them. It's a sellers market.
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I like to show Ladies and Gentlemen now a reconstruction from the Potsdam Neumarkt.
This is a very interesting one! The Neumarkt had lost only two structures on it's north side.
The Market is home to diferent scientific institutions like for Jewish studies or for the history
of Prussia. The northside was filled with the Neumarkt 5. An almost reconstruction, But a very, very good one at that. See yourself and decide:

With the glass is Neumarkt 5. A reconstruction


It was reconstructed between 1998 and 2003 with help from a young woman Nicola Fortmann, Architect


The one on the right


1928


Neumarkt 1



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This building used to hold a bookpress


On the right you see the new Stall for his majesties carriages. Today the Filmmuseum


The second new build. The sign give direction to diferent institutions.


Used to be the kings scale on it's place for beer making ingredients. The DDR had no money for upkeep.



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And this is what they are going to rebuild! The entire intersection!
The intersection is called 8 Ecken, because there are eight corners.
A very interesting info but I'm not sure I get it.
As far as I see part of what is going to be rebuilt (four of eight corners ) is occupied by a highway now. Do they plan to demolish the highway or what?
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A very interesting info but I'm not sure I get it.
As far as I see part of what is going to be rebuilt (four of eight corners ) is occupied by a highway now. Do they plan to demolish the highway or what?
At the map, two of the four corner buildings are listed as '3' which is explained as something like 'on an altered location'. So if I understand it correctly, they are rebuilding those two on a (slightly) different location to account for the highway.

Thanks for your 'tours', The Eagle. Potsdam looks great, will look even better and I am amazed that every new 'tour' there are some new reconstructions to be discovered.

I also quite like the glass building, which goes to show that you can build a modernist take on an old building and have it not be terrible. Someone should really go and tell Dresden and Frankfurt.
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Potsdam is expected to increase from 120 000 to 160 000 inhabitants.
We are already above 160000 and rising sharply. The housing market is getting more expensive every day.
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