France | Our Friend

[SeeMacau]

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[LamDai]

I don't see France has anything close to Cambodia. This thread is kinda funny itself.

[SeeMacau]

Well, France colonized Cambodia in the past.

[SeeMacau]

Colonial buildings and certain parts of Phnom Penh resembles with so much of the French influence, as part of the city was planned by the French.

[LamDai]

Originally Posted by SeeMacau

Well, France colonized Cambodia in the past.

I'm sure they don't want to remember that past.

[SeeMacau]

Probably not with the newer generations ..

[Wisarut]

France | Our Brother? IMHO, it would be better to use either "France | Our Master" or "France | Our Ex-Master", depending on the circumstance

[mrfusion]

Originally Posted by Wisarut

France | Our Brother? IMHO, it would be better to use either "France | Our Master" or "France | Our Ex-Master", depending on the circumstance

lol, maybe ex-master, our master now is Vietnam, or China depends who you ask.

[Asian]

Strang too. I'd not like the names of the thread. Anyone of them is too political. Maybe, we just say "Cambodians with France Connection".

[Asian]

Originally Posted by LamDai

I'm sure they don't want to remember that past.

Politically, some still do. Regardless how bad they were in term of treatment toward Cambodians, they helped keep Cambodia from being swallowed by her powerful neighbours, Thailand and Vietnam, in the 18 century.

[Asian]

Originally Posted by Wisarut

France | Our Brother? IMHO, it would be better to use either "France | Our Master" or "France | Our Ex-Master", depending on the circumstance

It was just an imagination of a dreamer who loves European blood. It says nothing much about the relationship between Cambodia and France.

[khmerpride]

Originally Posted by Fulltimer

Barang=French! khmer people refer to all White people as French.

Is the word Barang not like a term like the Thai Word Farang ???
Does have Farang and Barang the same meaning ?

[khmerpride]

Khmer-French Sarin
Mother: Khmer
Father: French

[LamDai]

Originally Posted by khmerpride

Khmer-French Sarin
Mother: Khmer
Father: French

Porn star ?

[Wisarut]

Originally Posted by khmerpride

Is the word Barang not like a term like the Thai Word Farang ???
Does have Farang and Barang the same meaning ?

In the general term Barang is just Farang since Khmer has NO "F" sound
However, the actual meaning is quite a difference.

Thailander has used Farang since the day of Ayutthaya by following the way Muslim/Persian traders in Siam has referred to all the Westerners ... while Lao and Khmer used Barang/Farang to refer just French masters in 19th Century ...

[Asian]

Originally Posted by Wisarut

In the general term Barang is just Farang since Khmer has NO "F" sound
However, the actual meaning is quite a difference.

Thailander has used Farang since the day of Ayutthaya by following the way Muslim/Persian traders in Siam has referred to all the Westerners ... while Lao and Khmer used Barang/Farang to refer just French masters in 19th Century ...

That is not true. The actual meaning is the same for both. Khmer call any White European, or Westerners, Barang, not just the French. Khmer had used the word in the late 17th century when the first Portuguese missionary came.

So, to me, Barang and Farang are the same thing. We all call white European Barang/Farang depending which countries that you live in.

[thekh]

Originally Posted by LamDai

Porn star ?

He's a boxer!

[thekh]

Khmer kings back then asked the French a lot for helping the lost territories.


Letter of King Ang Doung to Emperor Napoleon III of France

Please find below the Letter of King Ang Duong of 25 November 1856 to Emperor Napoleon III of France. This is an English translation from the reprinted/reproduced French text in Cambodge, published by the Ministry of Information, Phnom Penh, Cambodia, (1962), p. 48. The King's letter was read in part by Princess Yukanthor to the National Assembly of the French Union during the meeting on 19 May 1949 dealing with the status of Cochinchina/Kampuchea Krom: A.U.F, Annales, no. 1(1949), p.515. Cambodia wanted the lost territories back. see Marie A. Martin, Cambodia: a Shattered Society,(1989) p. 350

Note:
Kay son=Tai son;
Saikong = Saigon

From Bora Touch, Esq.
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King Ang Duong (Photo: http://cambodiatheroyalandourland.blogspot.com)

LETTER OF KING ANG DUONG TO EMPEROR NAPOLEON III

Cambodia was formerly a vast country made up of large provinces, then followed the Annamites, men of bad faith, allied themselves with Cambodia looking to take for themselves sometimes one, sometimes two Sroks.

At the time of the revolt of Kay Son, the Emperor Gia-Long fled his kingdom and asked for help from the Kingdom of Krong-Tep [Thailand]. He met there Our August Father (King Ang Eng 1772-1796) then King of Cambodia with whom he formed an alliance. After having fled Kingdom Krong-Tep and settled at Srok Preah Trapeang [Travihn] where he organized his army to fight against the Kay-Son, Our August Father sent him men to help until he conquered the Kay-Son and mounted the throne of Annam. Then taking into account that the Srok of Preah Trapeang was his benefactor he asked Our August Father to exempt the Srok from all tribute [for Cambodia] and not to make the inhabitants of the Srok work.

Our August Father considering that this was an act of confession on the part of an ally, acquiesced to his demand and no longer subjected them to any duty.

A long time afterward, Gia-Long made the Srok an Annamite colony until the reign of Our elder Brother [Ang Chan 1792-1834] who turned toward the emperor Gia-Long to ask for his help. On our part, we allied with Kingdom Krong-Tep. The son of Gia-Long named Minh Mang mounted the throne and dug the canal that crosses the Kingdom of Cambodia from Peam [Hatien] to Chaudoc to establish mandarins and Annamite subjects.

On His death, Our August father left only a daughter (of the first lit bed(?)) The Emperor Minh-Mang, as a measure of oppression, ordered to bring in captivity to Saikong the daughters of Our August Brother, Our August Mother, Our own Child, to put to death a daughter of Our August Brother to make him disappear, ordered the grand mandarins and inhabitants of Cambodia to go live on one of the islands and the others at Tonkin near China. The Cambodians, made aware of the evil intention of the Annamite Emperor, rose up and massacred a lot of Annamites.

The state of affairs that existed in Cambodia must have made His Majesty the Emperor of the French reflect on the establishment of the domination of Annamites in the Cambodian territories. The Srok Donnai became Annamite by simple peaceful occupation 200 years ago. The Sroks that the Annamites seized after were Saikong [Saigon], Longho (Vinh-Long) Phsar-Dek (Sadec), Smeythor, Meat-Chrouk (Chaudoc), Kramuon-Sar (Rach-Gia), Omom, Tuk-Khmau, Srok Peam and the islands of Tral [Phu-Quoc] and Tralach [Poulo Condor]. From now on if the Annamites ceded to the Emperor of France all of these territories and others, We pray His Majesty Emperor of France will not accept them because these are really the Cambodian territories. The part going to the west bank of the Saikong river to Peam (Hatien) comprised of 2 islands, must remain Cambodian as before. As for the region that is found on the east bank of the Saikong river that the Annamites have occupied for a long time, We do not reclaim....

Made in Our Palace at Oudong and marked with Our seal, Tuesday, month Kadoeck, the 13th day of the waning moon, in the year 1215 of the small era, year of the Dragon, 8th of the decade cycle.

Sent to Sing Ka po [Singapore]
His Majesty signed "Ang Duong"
25th November, 1856
[Reprinted in Cambodge (Phnom Penh, 1962) p. 48]

source: http://khmerization.blogspot.com/200...o-emperor.html

[thekh]

another one from King Sisowath

King Sisowath's 1906 protest letter to the French colonial Governor regarding the illegal occupation of Khmer territories by Siam

Translated from French by Luc Sâr
Our sincere thanks to Bora Touch, Esq. for pointing out this important historic letter

Click here to read the original letter in French (PDF)

Letter from the King of Cambodia, H.M. Sisowath,
to the French Colonial Governor in Cambodia
(5 November 1906)

Kingdom of Cambodia
No. 205

Office of the King
H.M. Preah Bat Samdech Preah SISOWATH Cham-Chakrapong Hakrireach Barminthor Phuvanay Kraykeofa Soulalay Preah Chao Krong Kampuchea Thippadey, King of Cambodia

To the Governor of the French Republic in Cambodia,
Phnom Penh

Mr. Governor,

At a time when France, our benefactor, is busy with the delimitation of the border of Cambodia with the former Cambodian provinces abducted by Siam, I believe that it is my duty to send you the following observations and reservations, and I am also asking you to please let these be known, at an opportune time, to the delimitation Commission which will start its works and submit them to the Government of the (French) Republic. My delegates within this Commission are also in charge of supporting the same demands in front of the Commission.

1- In reality and incontestably, the cession to Siam by France of the former Khmer provinces which have just been re-attached to Cambodia – such as Stung Treng, Tonle Ropov, M’lou Prey, Krat and Koh Kong – cannot provide legitimate satisfaction to Cambodians given the circumstances in which the Siamese occupied these territories by force and by hypocrisy during the time when Cambodia was at the mercy of Annam (Vietnam) and Siam. By returning back these provinces (to Cambodia), the Siamese are only divesting what they took and detained against all rights of the people [of Cambodia], and that they do not want to keep them much longer because the lack of importance of these districts cannot compensate their costs of their exploitation, administration and maintenance.

2- We insist on the former natural limits of the Khmer Kingdom which, prior to the Siamese invasion, included on Siam’s side the provinces of Battambang, Siem Reap, Stung Treng, Tonle Ropov, M’lou Prey, Kuckhan [currently known as Sisaket], Prey Sar, Soren [Surin], Sankeac [Sangka], Neang Rong, Nokoreach Seima (Korat), beyond the Phnom Dangrek Mountain, Koh Kong, Krat and Chantabor (Chantaboun [Chantaburi]) touching upon Bacnam and the Kingdom of Champassac (Passac).

All these provinces are still populated by Cambodians and they preserve their absolute Khmer patriotism.

3- The richest provinces of Cambodia are precisely Battambang and Siem Reap; in the latter province, (temple) ruins of our Kingdom old powerful capital still subsist, they are shining proof of the magnificence of our ancestors. These two provinces, just like the others, were never given to Siam by any of my predecessors, and our claims in view of their return back to Cambodia have never ceased and will never cease as long as we do not receive satisfaction in this regard. Our past numerous claims are testimonials to this effect.

Independently to all historical justifications which confirm our rights on these two provinces, the 15 July 1867 Treaty concluded between France and Siam mentioned that the December 1863 Treaty, allegedly concluded between the Kingdoms of Cambodia and Siam, was annulled and that Siam renounces forever all vassalage from the part of Cambodia. Therefore, this clause completely disengaged Siam from the Khmer Kingdom, which, by this treaty, should recover all her territorial integrity, and if the then-French diplomats – through Article 4 of this same 15 July 1867 treaty – consented, without consulting the Cambodian Government or the Cochinchina Governor, that the provinces of Battambang and Siem Reap remained with Siam, they were absolutely being cheated by the Siamese in their persuasion of the existence of an alleged treaty unknown to the Cambodians, and within Siam’s rights and value of these territories. I am adding, that to my knowledge, this alleged treaty concluded on December 1863 between Cambodia and Siam never regularly existed and that it is only fair to provide us with satisfaction. In fact, in spite of our profound and sincere gratitude towards the protectorate Government, we cannot prevent ourselves from wondering whether such diplomatic action to get rid of our assets, behind our back and without our consent, could last.

In all cases and irrespective of the results of the works [accomplished] by the current Commission, and the ulterior diplomatic actions regarding our borders with Siam, not including the cession by Cambodia of her valuable provinces of Battambang and Siem Reap – along with all its dependences –, we are asking to reserve forever, for us and all our successors, the right to prevail our demands until full justice and satisfaction are given to us.

These are, Mr. Governor, the observations and the reservations that I make it as my duty to send to you, while assuring you that they perfectly represent the unanimous feelings of my Government and those of my people. Beyond our strong attachment to these provinces – the irregular detention of which is a real heartache for all the Cambodian people – you are aware of all the difficulties resulting from this detention that our neighbors are continuously creating through the encroachments of our territory, the robberies, the plundering actions and the daily crimes committed in our country by perpetrators who can easily find refuge on their side where they remained unpunished. These acts are actually taking place as they have been proven by the reports from your [French provincial] Governors and our provincial Governors. I believe that this situation which is absolutely prejudicial to all public security principle will become worst as long as the provinces of Battambang and Siem Reap, the most contiguous ones to Cambodia, are not returned to us.

Please accept, Mr. Governor, the assurance of my highest regards.

Done in our Royal Palace in Phnom Penh on Monday, the 4th day of the waning moon of the 2nd month of the Cholasakrach 1268, of the year of the Momi (Horse) Atthasak, the third of the reign, i.e. the 5th of November 1906 of the Christian calendar.

(Signed): Sisowath
Copy: The Cabinet Chief
(Signed) Unreadable

source: http://ki-media.blogspot.com/2008/09...letter-to.html

[khmerpride]

Originally Posted by LamDai

Porn star ?

He is a Bokator Fighter



Here another picture with his Family