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View Poll Results: What should be the speed limit on highways?
no speed limit, limited only temporarily for some reason. 37 36.63%
140 km / h. As requested by certain groups in Spain. 19 18.81%
130 km / h. As in France and in other European countries. 38 37.62%
120 km / h. Current limit in Spain. 9 8.91%
I have no opinion on the matter. 1 0.99%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 101. You may not vote on this poll

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Old April 7th, 2012, 08:00 PM   #21
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None, you should be watching the road not your speedometer.

Speed limits, especially at night, make no sense...
If you can't drive at the correct speed limit without looking at your speedometer then you're obviously retarded.
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Old April 7th, 2012, 08:04 PM   #22
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120 or 130 are fine. 140 might already be too fast for older and/or very small cars, thus introducing a second speed differential (besides the one between normal cars and trucks) which doesn't make driving safer on 2 lane motorways. Besides, fuel consumption often starts to go up pretty steeply above 130. Even faster than 140 is downright dangerous as such speeds effectively reduce the chance of surviving an accident to zero even when you're driving a more expensive and better constructed vehicle.
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Old April 7th, 2012, 08:05 PM   #23
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Old April 7th, 2012, 08:05 PM   #24
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If you can't drive at the correct speed limit without looking at your speedometer then you're obviously retarded.
Or just tone deaf (no pun intended).
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Old April 8th, 2012, 06:54 PM   #25
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Or just tone deaf (no pun intended).
In a normal car ( not tin can) you don't really hear your engine...

Besides, theres this thing called a radio + amplifier, it usually makes driving far better...
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If you can't drive at the correct speed limit without looking at your speedometer then you're obviously retarded.
Thanks for calling me retarded, but without cruise control it's to hard, I don't see the point in going slow when you can go fast. Empty motorway = 200+ km/h in my opinion.
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120 or 130 are fine. 140 might already be too fast for older and/or very small cars,
Nonsense, even in a rubbish Aygo of a classmate I managed 150 km/h... An old pug 106 1.3 also easily does 180... But, nobody is forcing you to drive fast, grandpa can still poot about at 120 km/h.
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thus introducing a second speed differential (besides the one between normal cars and trucks) which doesn't make driving safer on 2 lane motorways.
So, roads are more than safe enough already, especially in Holland, but compare to to Nordrein Westfalen, a state with about the same density as Holland, and you can see that there aren't more deaths there on motorways than here ( I know Germany as a whole is a bit unsafer, but if you compare per-state...).
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Besides, fuel consumption often starts to go up pretty steeply above 130. Even faster than 140 is downright dangerous as such speeds effectively reduce the chance of surviving an accident to zero even when you're driving a more expensive and better constructed vehicle.
So what? People want to go fast they go fast, people want to go slow they go slow. And again, that is none of the governments business to meddle with that, if someone wants to go faster it should be their choice.
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Old April 8th, 2012, 08:05 PM   #26
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Whatever you want man. I can just say I'm perfectly happy not to agree with you. And a government obviously has every right to impose a speed limit: they design and build the roads (your racetrack) remember.
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Old April 8th, 2012, 08:16 PM   #27
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Old April 8th, 2012, 10:51 PM   #29
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I drive in central europian countries, where speed limit is 130km/h and most drivers drive between 110 and 130km/h, so I think this limit is OK. On longer trips you can speed a little (140kmh) without risk of a fine.
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Old April 8th, 2012, 11:07 PM   #30
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Nonsense, even in a rubbish Aygo of a classmate I managed 150 km/h... An old pug 106 1.3 also easily does 180... But, nobody is forcing you to drive fast, grandpa can still poot about at 120 km/h.
According to technical specifications, my renault clio can drive 170km/h, but it's getting quite unconfortable driving faster than 130 and at 150 I feel like it's going to fly up.

I agree, that it's unsafe to create another speed differential (trucks 80-90, normal cars 120-130, fast cars 150+).
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Old April 8th, 2012, 11:10 PM   #31
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Usually motorways are being designed for a speed of 120-130 km/h, with a safety-margin up to 140 km/h. At the design speed the standard vehicle should be able to drive safe under normal circumstances.

At speeds of 140 km/h or more, the superelevation applied in curves could prove not te be enough, especialy in rainy conditions (or when the weather is worse), or when your tires are no longer in top-condition. At a speed of 160 km/h or more, on a road designed for 120-130 km/h, the risk of getting off the road in horizontal and vertical curves increases severely.

However, if roads could be designed for 200-300 km/h, this problem could be solved. This would create horizontal (and vertical !) alignements like those being applied on high speed rail lines, which is rather expensive. Unfortunately for speeding fans the risks of severe collisions will rise significantly, when speed differences between cars are on the increase - and that's often the case on motorways.

I think it is best designing motorways on 120-130 km/h (75-80 mph),
have a speed limit between 130-140 km/h (80-85 mph),
and fine heavily from 160 km/h (100 mph).

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Old April 9th, 2012, 12:05 AM   #32
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Ha in Poland we already have 140km/h speed limit . I think it is quite adequate for nowadays cars.
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Old April 9th, 2012, 12:07 AM   #33
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Ha in Poland we already have 140km/h speed limit . I think it is quite adequate for nowadays cars.
There is nothing much to be done in regard of superelevation, regardless of how good modern cars are.
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Old April 9th, 2012, 12:25 AM   #34
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Maybe a lot of cars can drive safely at higher speeds, but this is going to be quite more fuel inefficient (which is actually a problem for the one who's filling the tank) but also more ecology inefficient (which already becomes a problem for all others). So sticking to the standard speed limits may be good idea.
I say it at a moment when Bulgaria's government wants to vote a rise of the speed limit from 130 to 140 on motorways and from 90 to 120 on expressways (such didn't exist in the legislation until now). I still feel like 130 on motorways and 110 on expressways would be enough. Especially for a country like Bulgaria, where road surface quality is not the best at many places.
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Old April 9th, 2012, 01:07 AM   #35
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Ha in Poland we already have 140km/h speed limit . I think it is quite adequate for nowadays cars.
Polish motorways are straight.
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Old April 9th, 2012, 10:03 AM   #36
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Yep, Polish motorways are straight, mostly new and of very good quality, low traffic volumes and few exits. Good recipe for high speed limits.
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Old April 9th, 2012, 11:39 AM   #37
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Usually motorways are being designed for a speed of 120-130 km/h, with a safety-margin up to 140 km/h. At the design speed the standard vehicle should be able to drive safe under normal circumstances.

At speeds of 140 km/h or more, the superelevation applied in curves could prove not te be enough, especialy in rainy conditions (or when the weather is worse), or when your tires are no longer in top-condition. At a speed of 160 km/h or more, on a road designed for 120-130 km/h, the risk of getting off the road in horizontal and vertical curves increases severely.

However, if roads could be designed for 200-300 km/h, this problem could be solved. This would create horizontal (and vertical !) alignements like those being applied on high speed rail lines, which is rather expensive. Unfortunately for speeding fans the risks of severe collisions will rise significantly, when speed differences between cars are on the increase - and that's often the case on motorways.

I think it is best designing motorways on 120-130 km/h (75-80 mph),
have a speed limit between 130-140 km/h (80-85 mph),
and fine heavily from 160 km/h (100 mph).
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Old April 9th, 2012, 11:57 AM   #38
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Yep, Polish motorways are straight, mostly new and of very good quality, low traffic volumes and few exits. Good recipe for high speed limits.
As German - from Upper Silesia to Eindhoven at 8,5h, as I once heard.
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130 km/h is quite good.
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120-130km/h and in the city a minimum of 100km/h.
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