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Old April 30th, 2012, 11:55 AM   #181
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449.2 m (1,473.8 ft) which is habitable
For your opinion.
In the Diagram is before International Commerce Center, that have a habitable floor at 484 m.

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Old April 30th, 2012, 12:11 PM   #182
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Tower in milan is a different case anyhow
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Old April 30th, 2012, 01:16 PM   #183
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In Italy,Pelli Tower is considered as a real skyscraper,since our cities have a very low skyline,and if the definition of "skyscraper" is a building that emerges from what's around and designes a new shape of the city horizon,well,if u come to Milan,you can definetely say that Pelli Tower has changed the perception of Milan..i hope that this building can be nominated and run for the challenge
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Old April 30th, 2012, 01:33 PM   #184
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yeah for european criteria we usually consider a skyscraper what somewhere else would be considered as an highrise, our continent is not exactly known for monster skylines
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Old April 30th, 2012, 08:44 PM   #185
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1: Naberezhnaya Tower C , Russia
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Old April 30th, 2012, 09:03 PM   #186
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1. Pelli-Unicredit Tower, Milan
2. The Gherkin, London
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Old April 30th, 2012, 09:34 PM   #187
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1) Torre Pelli, Milan
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Old April 30th, 2012, 09:43 PM   #188
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Garibaldi Tower (146m) in milan is not technically a skyscraper
Garibaldi tower is 231m. The spire is the main architectural element of the tower.
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Old April 30th, 2012, 09:55 PM   #189
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if the spire was counted as part of the entire building's height, then the Commerzbank Tower (300m) would be the first supertall in EU.

but it is not because it's spire (we call it antenna) is not counted and is not a cheating tower either.
Spire and Antenna are two very different things in architectural language. You have more than 16,000 posts here and you didn't understand the difference yet?
I hope you are just trolling..
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Old April 30th, 2012, 10:00 PM   #190
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Garibaldi tower is 231m. The spire is the main architectural element of the tower.
the highness of the spire does not literally reflect or give the impression of the actual height of the entire building.

if you look at the building the first thing you see is the size and height of it's surface which is covered by the panels, but not a little antenna on top.

nevertheless it is a nice looking tower.
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Old April 30th, 2012, 10:18 PM   #191
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Spire and Antenna are two very different things in architectural language. You have more than 16,000 posts here and you didn't understand the difference yet?
I hope you are just trolling..
i just made a diagram for you and now tell me which tower looks taller?

imagine you looking at those two towers from the ground level http://i.imgur.com/uvmDZ.jpg
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Old April 30th, 2012, 10:37 PM   #192
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i just made a diagram for you and now tell me which tower looks taller?

imagine you looking at those two towers from the ground level http://i.imgur.com/uvmDZ.jpg
Here we are giving a nomination for the "favorite European skyscraper" not for "which tower looks taller".
BTW from the ground level the top of the spire of the Pelli tower looks much higher of the real height, just because it is very slim.
The total height of the Pelli Tower is 231m, that's all.
The important thing is that many forumers seem to like this tower, and this is the purpose of this thread.
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Old April 30th, 2012, 10:37 PM   #193
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if the spire was counted as part of the entire building's height, then the Commerzbank Tower (300m) would be the first supertall in EU.

but it is not because it's spire (we call it antenna) is not counted and is not a cheating tower either.
So also the Shard is not a supertall? btw, let's go back in topic..
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Old April 30th, 2012, 10:40 PM   #194
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I've used your diagram to show exactly the differences between the cases generally given when it comes to talk about height of skyscrapers:



Which one looks taller now? (the height of the spire in case A) and in case B) is perfectly the same)

In case A) we count the total height of the structure with the spire, while on case B) we just consider the height of the last floor, because the spire can be taller or smaller and it can be fixed or modified with times, it is just an add. In case C) the spire is absent and so we consider the last floor.
In case A) the spire is essential to the building to be seen as "complete", that kind of building with that "spiral" movement would be generally perceived as missing something without the spiral movement culminating in a spire. Case A) is representing the shape of a Pelli tower-like building, case B) is representing a Commerzbank tower-like kind of building while Case C) is representing a One Canada Square-like kind of building...
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Old April 30th, 2012, 10:41 PM   #195
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I've used your diagram to show exactly the differences between the cases generally given when it comes to talk about height of skyscrapers:
tower c looks the tallest because of it's shape, roof height and it does not have any cheating height as well

tower a is the 2nd tallest and tower b is the shortest one in that digram.


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So also the Shard is not a supertall? btw, let's go back in topic..
the roof height of the shard is 304m which automatically makes it a supertall.

commerzbank tower in frankfurt is classified as a skyscraper which is 259m tall but it also has a long spire on top. if it can be counted as part of the building's height then this is the first supertall in the EU. but obviously it does not work that way though, the same goes for the one in milan as well. sorry slightly off topic.

shall we move on now? yes please

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Old April 30th, 2012, 11:05 PM   #196
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the roof height of the shard is 304m which automatically makes it a supertall.

commerzbank tower in frankfurt is classified as a skyscraper which is 259m tall but it also has a long spire on top. if it can be counted as part of the building's height then this is the first supertall in the EU. but obviously it does not that way though, the same goes for the one in milan as well. sorry slightly off topic.

shall we move on now? yes please
I thought that the last habitable floor of the Shard was around 280m, but maybe I am wrong.. (btw I like the Shard).
Commerzbank has a spire + an antenna on the top of the spire. The Pelli Tower has just a spire. Btw I will put a 70m antenna on the top of the Pelli to make it a supertall
However the definitions are not so important (many of the towers mentioned in this thread are shorter that 200m, but for me are skyscrapers.)
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Old May 1st, 2012, 11:31 AM   #199
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