Which is the safest major city in the world?

[CarltonHill]

so it's Singapore and Tokyo.

[Matematik]

Originally Posted by hmueller2

http://epp.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/cac...-12-006-EN.PDF

London has a murder rate of 1.92 , Berlin 1.93, Vienna 1.07 , Paris 1.4 , Madrid 1.14 , Rome 1.2 , Amsterdam 3.65 (rly?)

Amsterdam's rate must be a mistake. The Netherland's over-all murder rate is one of the lowest in Europe, so I'm suprised Amsterdam would be so much higher.

[Suburbanist]

Originally Posted by Matematik

Amsterdam's rate must be a mistake. The Netherland's over-all murder rate is one of the lowest in Europe, so I'm suprised Amsterdam would be so much higher.

That rate is not wrong. What happens is that almost all murders of Amsterdam happen in the Amsterdam municipality whereas the outlying suburbs where 40% of the population live have practically no murders.

[Pavlemadrid]

Madrid is for sure one of the safest cities in the world.

[tikiturf]

Originally Posted by Pavlemadrid

Madrid is for sure one of the safest cities in the world.

Have you ever been to Asia ?

[DanielFigFoz]

Originally Posted by Matematik

Not sure about that. From the reports I read they were a pretty exceptional event and easily some of the worst riots Europe has seen in the past decade.

Likewise, large sections of London apparently were in effective lock-down and normal life pretty much stopped for the duration of the rioting.

Shops closed early, that was about it for most of London. And the areas affected were not really that large. It probably was some of the worst rioting Europe has seen in the past decade, but the media certainly over did it, it mainly consisted of looting en masse

[hmueller2]

Originally Posted by tikiturf

Have you ever been to Asia ?

I doubt that cities like HK, Singapur etc are particularly safer than cities like Munich, Vienna or Madrid.

Does someone have murder rates of Asian cities?

According to a Mercer survey from 2011 the safest cities in the world are:

1 Luxembourg, Luxembourg

2 Bern, Switzerland

2 Helsinki, Finland

2 Zurich, Switzerland

5 Vienna, Austria

6 Geneva, Switzerland

6 Stockholm, Sweden

8 Singapore, Singapore

9 Auckland, New Zealand

9 Wellington, New Zealand

http://www.expatinfodesk.com/news/20...which-to-live/

[Lindemann]

Originally Posted by Pavlemadrid

Madrid is for sure one of the safest cities in the world.

Uhm... I'd say Tokyo, Hong Kong, Singapore, or other east Asian cities. Some of those places have almost zero crime (I don't include crimes inside the family), it's a paradise for travellers from other countries around the world.

If we talk about Europe, I feel a better atmosphere for example in Berlin or Munich than in many places around Madrid area (but, well, it also depends of how much has someone explored a city).

[Jay]

Originally Posted by tikiturf

Have you ever been to Asia ?

Me and some friends almost got mugged in Beijing, although probably very rare, I was shocked as I had assumed Chinese cities to be very safe.

Shanghai struck me as very safe aswell, single women would walk around alone there at night.

But I think Tokyo and Singapore take the cake, Hong Kong aswell I would assume.

And many European cities aswell like hmueller listed, but they are not nearly as big as Tokyo, HK, NYC etc.

[the spliff fairy]

Originally Posted by hmueller2

I doubt that cities like HK, Singapur etc are particularly safer than cities like Munich, Vienna or Madrid.

Does someone have murder rates of Asian cities?

According to a Mercer survey from 2011 the safest cities in the world are:

1 Luxembourg, Luxembourg

2 Bern, Switzerland

2 Helsinki, Finland

2 Zurich, Switzerland

5 Vienna, Austria

6 Geneva, Switzerland

6 Stockholm, Sweden

8 Singapore, Singapore

9 Auckland, New Zealand

9 Wellington, New Zealand

http://www.expatinfodesk.com/news/20...which-to-live/

all of these are small 'cities', some of them numbering only a few hundred thousand. The only Asian city counted in Mercer here is 5 million strong, more than 3x the size of the next largest in the top 10.

In short you could dominate the list if you used any number of small East Asian cities that number only a few hundred thousand each. Also bear in mind the Mercer index measures the cities listed not by just crime rates but geopolitical stability (thus Taiwan, China and Korea would be automatically discarded), and as of last year's disasters, Japan too.


However it's not all East Asia or small populations:

http://www.ehow.com/list_7293193_cou...ate-world.html

[Sarcasticity]

I assume Singapore (they have death penalty for bringing gum, JK!) or somewhere in the Middle East and Europe. In North America, probably Canadian cities or the ones in the Pacific Northwest and Midwestern part of the US

[Lindemann]

Originally Posted by Sarcasticity

I assume Singapore (they have death penalty for bringing gum, JK!) or somewhere in the Middle East and Europe. In North America, probably Canadian cities or the ones in the Pacific Northwest and Midwestern part of the US

Well, Midwest includes cities like Detroit, St Louis (so East St Louis), Cincinnati, Cleveland, Milwaukee, Indianapolis, Chicago (don't forget that in South and West Sides there are some of the deadliest urban sectors of the country)... or cases like Gary and Flint.
All of those cities have much higher crime rates than, for example, NYC, so I wouldn't say that this region has the safest cities in the US.

[Sarcasticity]

Originally Posted by Lindemann

Well, Midwest includes cities like Detroit, St Louis (so East St Louis), Cincinnati, Cleveland, Milwaukee, Indianapolis, Chicago (don't forget that in South and West Sides there are some of the deadliest urban sectors of the country)... or cases like Gary and Flint.
All of those cities have much higher crime rates than, for example, NYC, so I wouldn't say that this region has the safest cities in the US.

True.. I was thinking more west of Midwest, then I realize just now that there's no major city anymore

[PadArch]

Originally Posted by NordikNerd

Maybe if you count inner city London, but there was a riot in north London a few months ago, the police shot a drug dealer remember? At least I read about it. Cars and houses were set on fire.

Paris has its world infamous Clichy sous Bois were cars burned in 2005.

New York-Cars burned and swastikas Scrawled in Brooklyn

I don't think those things occur in japanese cities.

you don't think so.. but then you find about things like this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarin_g...e_Tokyo_subway

[bjrndlw]

Originally Posted by Suburbanist

That rate is not wrong. What happens is that almost all murders of Amsterdam happen in the Amsterdam municipality whereas the outlying suburbs where 40% of the population live have practically no murders.

Another important aspect of these numbers is that Amsterdam is notorious for being the home of Dutch organized crime. 'Famous' criminals like Klaas Bruinsma, Sam Klepper and Jan Femer were liquidated in Amsterdam, as are many more people with dodgy carreers in drugs.

On the whole, innocent Amsterdammers and tourists will not be bothered by these murders as much as one might expect, judging by these numbers. Taken into consideration that most of the professional killing is done in a relatively low-population area that is the Dutch capital's inner city, it's not that bad.

[Jonesy55]

Originally Posted by PadArch

you don't think so.. but then you find about things like this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarin_g...e_Tokyo_subway

That was nearly two decades ago to be fair....

Of course, all cities have incidents sometimes, the big developed Asian metropolises are undoubtedly very safe overall but even in the safest cities you do occasionally get stuff like this:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7442327.stm

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Kong_acid_attacks#_

http://news.xin.msn.com/en/singapore...mentid=4432740

[inno4321]

Originally Posted by city_thing

Anyone suggesting London or Toronto should really visit an East Asian city. You can walk around all areas of Hong Kong, Tokyo, Seoul or Singapore at night and feel perfectly safe. You don't even spare a thought for your safety.

Kuala Lumpur is also safe but it has a lot more visible vice than other capitals in the region, same goes for Jakarta and Bangkok. You're more likely to get swindled than stabbed by some drunk though.

Right Tokyo and Seoul is really safety.
Seoul is really safety(I never met or or saw ruber or thief in my whole life)
But Tyoko is more safety 5 times safer than seoul.
Tyoko RULED

[Metro007]

Originally Posted by the spliff fairy

all of these are small 'cities', some of them numbering only a few hundred thousand. The only Asian city counted in Mercer here is 5 million strong, more than 3x the size of the next largest in the top 10.

Theses cities are all global cities, that means that they have the character of a global city. Otherwise where exactly do you want to put the limit? The New York area for example has 10x more population than Brussels and Tokyo has almost 8x more population than Berlin...so would you exclude these 2 big cities from any comparaison about safety? Just a question?

[ukiyo]

Originally Posted by hmueller2

Afaik Munich is the safest major city in the german speaking area. Second is Vienna. In whole Europe they are probably the safest cities as well.

According to the new Eurostat report (only capital cities are listed)

http://epp.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/cac...-12-006-EN.PDF

London has a murder rate of 1.92 , Berlin 1.93, Vienna 1.07 , Paris 1.4 , Madrid 1.14 , Rome 1.2 , Amsterdam 3.65 (rly?)

Thanks for the numbers. Tokyo had a murder rate of .71 in 2011. Nearly double the nations average but still very low compared to other cities.

However what we really ought to compare is the assault and theft rates, Japan in general is several times safer when it comes to assault and robberies when compared to murders (for example Japan's murder rate is only slightly lower than some european countries but the assault rate is several times lower).

http://www.keishicho.metro.tokyo.jp/.../k_tokei22.htm

PS. Osaka had a murder rate of 1.44 in 2011, Japan's most "dangerous" city.

http://www.police.pref.osaka.jp/05bo...kei/pdf/02.pdf

[Ribarca]

The safest large cities I have visited are Singapore, Tokyo and Hong Kong. In that order. The first one is clearly ahead. Tokyo and Hong Kong are very close in my view.

I'm European and it's no comparison. In these 3 Asian cities you never have to care for your wallet like you have to do in Europe. At night you can go anywhere on your own and you never feel unsafe. In Europe that is not the case in many neighborhoods.