Why is the Titanic being "celebrated" so much?

[plank007]

I love you uniguy.

[Onoudidnt]

Travel does certainly does broaden one's mind, that's a given...
I just find the north, especially belfast, quite dull. I'm not alone in thinking that, but I merely state my opinion.

[Onoudidnt]

And I do travel a lot, don't give me that shit.
'Must see travel destination' ....yeah...

[belfastuniguy]

Originally Posted by Onoudidnt

And I do travel a lot, don't give me that shit.
'Must see travel destination' ....yeah...

Yeah because we're going to give more weight to your opinion instead of that of Lonely Planet, Trip Advisor, Condé Nast, Frommer and National Geographic Traveller....yeah....

In other news...

NI tourism spend increases by 20%



Must be the "cheap booze and fags" eh onoudidnt?

[JD47]

Originally Posted by belfastuniguy

Must be the "cheap booze and fags" eh onoudidnt?

What else could it be. Its not like its the south where people visit because they love our country and not our fags. It must be a republic thing

[belfastuniguy]

Originally Posted by JD47

What else could it be. Its not like its the south where people visit because they love our country and not our fags. It must be a republic thing

No.....it's for the cheap petrol and diesel silly

[Black Cat]

Originally Posted by belfastuniguy

LOL oh dear....someone is a bit clueless...

Actually it was designed in Belfast, built in Belfast by an Irish company FOR a company based in Liverpool, just as every ship of the WSL was built in Belfast.

The WSL didn't 'build' ships, hence using a shipyard, secondly the unsinkable line was actually never stated by anyone connected with the ship..

WSL was itself owned by International Mercantile Marine Co, a US company managed by JP Morgan, who financed the Titanic and its two sister ships to try to drive Cunard out of the transatlantic liner business and thereby corner the market. The unfortunate sinking of the Titanic ended this grand plan. Although the ship was nominally owned by WSL and sailed under the British flag, it was in fact US financed and owned. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interna...tile_Marine_Co.

[Viking74]

Originally Posted by belfastuniguy

No.....it's for the cheap petrol and diesel silly

Nothing cheap about our fuel anymore. Cost me over €80 to fill my car with diesel yesterday, I think bicycles are the way to go for the future

[Onoudidnt]

Oh please, there aint a city/town/region in the world (bar maybe Baghdad or Antarctica) that hasn't been the 'hot new must see destination' for a minute in those travel mags.
Enjoy it while it lasts, Britain and Europe won't be throwing money at you kids forever!

[George Bramwell]

Originally Posted by JD47

Its an Irish ship. It was built on our shores.

Titanic was commissioned by a Liverpool company. The ship was conceived in Liverpool at the White Star offices at Albion House which still exists. Harland & Wolf was partly owned White Star hence why all White Star ships were built there. Wolf was a German.

The Irish said it was unsinkable. The Scousers never.

[cosmictanya]

what happened to the collection that was auctioned last week? is it to be housed in belfast? i think it should be but i didn't hear anything about who bought it

[George Bramwell]

Originally Posted by belfastuniguy

Actually it was designed in Belfast, built in Belfast by an Irish company FOR a company based in Liverpool, just as every ship of the WSL was built in Belfast.

You are clueless. H&W were owned by Liverpool company White Star

"Under the new White Star Line ownership, Harland and Wolff received its first vessel construction orders on July 30, 1869. On August 20, 1870,"

http://www.titanic-whitestarships.com/History_WSL.htm

As for the crew, the VAST majority were from LIVERPOOL. The long corridor in the crews quarters was nicknamed "Scotland Road"

The Ship's orchestra, was hired by Blacks a Liverpool company.

You are clueless.

[George Bramwell]

Originally Posted by Boba Fett22

To be honest I have no real interest in Titanic (sorry if that offends anyone ). But the ship does at the very least have some connection to Belfast.

Titanic was only built in Belfast. By a Liverpool owned company H&W, which even had a ship repairing branch in Liverpool. The Irish built it with poor quality rivets. The plates buckled and the rivets popped because of the poor rivet quality.

But if it means so much to George Bramwell give his city Titanic, let's just say it belongs to that city.

It only sailed from Southampton, at short notice being scheduled to sail from Liverpool. Liverpool owned the ship more than any other city - in fact they did own the ship - it had Liverpool on the stern. The city conceived and laid down its specifications. Ismay’s and Capt. Smith’s homes still exist in Liverpool.

[George Bramwell]

Originally Posted by Black Cat

WSL was itself owned by International Mercantile Marine Co, a US company managed by JP Morgan, who financed the Titanic and its two sister ships to try to drive Cunard out of the transatlantic liner business and thereby corner the market. The unfortunate sinking of the Titanic ended this grand plan. Although the ship was nominally owned by WSL and sailed under the British flag, it was in fact US financed and owned. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interna...tile_Marine_Co.

White Star was a joint owner of IMM, with loans from Morgan.

[belfastuniguy]

Originally Posted by Onoudidnt

Oh please, there aint a city/town/region in the world (bar maybe Baghdad or Antarctica) that hasn't been the 'hot new must see destination' for a minute in those travel mags.
Enjoy it while it lasts, Britain and Europe won't be throwing money at you kids forever!

Bit rich coming from someone that has seen their country given 10's of billions from the UK and Europe once the economy imploded. Not to mention the many many more billions Ireland got from the EU to finance your nice new roads and urban regeneration.

Do how about you troll back to that dark secluded cave of yours and not worry yourself with big boy stuff.

[belfastuniguy]

Originally Posted by George Bramwell

You are clueless. H&W were owned by Liverpool company White Star

"Under the new White Star Line ownership, Harland and Wolff received its first vessel construction orders on July 30, 1869. On August 20, 1870,"

http://www.titanic-whitestarships.com/History_WSL.htm

As for the crew, the VAST majority were from LIVERPOOL. The long corridor in the crews quarters was nicknamed "Scotland Road"

The Ship's orchestra, was hired by Blacks a Liverpool company.

You are clueless.

Really.....

http://www.wikipedia.org/w/index.php...he_RMS_Titanic

Not seeing a lot of Liverpool born crew members there, pretty much all from Southampton. At absolute max talking about 115 and that's stretching 'connections' to the limit, that's not a "vast majority", I think you need to have a look at your maths skills. As for the orchestra, that's not what you said originally. So really all I'm hearing from you is blah blah blah bullshit.

[George Bramwell]

Originally Posted by belfastuniguy

Really.....

http://www.wikipedia.org/w/index.php...he_RMS_Titanic

Not seeing a lot of Liverpool born crew members there, pretty much all from Southampton. At absolute max talking about 115 and that's stretching 'connections' to the limit, that's not a "vast majority", I think you need to have a look at your maths skills. As for the orchestra, that's not what you said originally. So really all I'm hearing from you is blah blah blah bullshit.

Note when the Southampton born men boarded the ship.............at Southampton. A mainly Liverpool crew took her from Belfast to Southampton and because of a strike many went off and got other ships, then they panicked and got largely locals in. Hence the name Scotland Rd. Also quite a few of the 24% who survived were Liverpudlians.

Putting a Titanic exhibition in Belfast is ludicrous when it was a Liverpool ship.

[belfastuniguy]

So you were wrong and won't admit it.....aye thought so. Just here to troll and generally act like a dick.

The only thing Liverpudlian about the ship was the fact it was registered there, apart from that no one thinks it was a 'Liverpool ship' wee dream world you're living in.

[George Bramwell]

Originally Posted by belfastuniguy

The only thing Liverpudlian about the ship was the fact it was registered there, apart from that no one thinks it was a 'Liverpool ship' wee dream world you're living in.

I know the Irish have reputation of not being very bright, but you live up to it.

Titanic:

1. Was owned by a Liverpool company.
2. the ship was conceived in liverpool.
3. The specifications were laid down in Liverpool.
4. Titanic was registered in Liverpool
5. The ship was built by a Liverpool owned ship builders
6. The three ships involved in the sinking, Titanic, Californian and Carpathia were all Liverpool owned ships.
7. Many of it components were made in the Liverpool area
8. The bridge and engine room telegraphs were made by J.W.Ray Liverpool
9. The Titanic was scheduled to visit Liverpool on the voyage from Belfast to Southampton but was cancelled almost at the last minute.
10. J. Bruce Ismay, the owner of White Star, was born and lived in Liverpool.
11. Ismay had two huge mansions, "Sandheys" in Mossley Hill, Liverpool and "Dawpool" at Thurstaston on the Wirral.
12. The White Star Line was founded by Thomas Ismay in Liverpool. The Head Office at Albion House, 30 James St, Liverpool was besieged by the public for survivor news.
13. Many of the Titanic's crew were from Liverpool.
14. The name given by the crew to the long service corridor on E deck was "Scotland Rd". Scotland Rd is a main Liverpool road in the north of the city.
15. All the prime Chief Engineering staff were from Liverpool. White Star recruited cheap stewards and ABS's from Southampton for the voyage, to avoid the train fares of a Liverpool crew. If the ship had docked in Liverpool as planned the crew would be overwhelmingly Liverpool based.
16. Captain Smith had settled in Liverpool for 40 years marrying a local girl.
17. There is a memorial to "the engine room heroes" at the Pier Head, Liverpool. Indirectly related to the Titanic's men.
18. The musicians were provided by Liverpool firm Black
19. There is a memorial plaque to the entire band at the Philharmonic Hall, Liverpool, as one band member did play with the orchestra.
20. Liverpudlian peer, Baron Mersey of Toxteth conducted the British Enquiry into the Titanic disaster.
21. White Star started to use Southampton and Liverpool when they could not compete with Cunard who were using the fast Mauritania and Lusitania operating out of Liverpool. Liverpool is 100 miles nearer to New York in sailing, so being nearer and faster ships meant White Star were way behind. White Star had to promote slower luxury rather than speed, so could spread its appeal from North to South. It was quicker to go to New York via Liverpool even from London using fast express trains direct to Liverpool's liner rail terminal.

[belfastuniguy]

Originally Posted by George Bramwell

I know the Irish have reputation of not being very bright, but you live up to it.
[/LIST]

Really??

There was me thinking that both Northern Irish schools and those in the Republic of Ireland constantly outperform the English secondary school sector. Don't take my word for it, do a wee Google search and enlighten yourself. Here's a couple to start you off

Results show the continuing trend for grades in Northern Ireland to be highest, with England second and Wales last.

NI A-level pupils outperform England and Wales



Secondly, I'm not Irish....so while you're Googling academic performance statistics how about you also search for information relating to British nationality and the current constitutional structure of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

Dread to think what school you went to....clearly not the brightest bulb in the chandelier are you.