Kennedy Boulevard News and Discussion - Page 2

koopalicious · September 12th, 2012, 02:25 AM

I haven't seen a render, but here is part of the site plan. Again, sorry about the quality - it's from the city's webcast. Kennedy/Grand Central to the north.

Jasonhouse · September 12th, 2012, 03:35 AM

That's a f-ing big parking garage.

USF802 · September 12th, 2012, 03:42 AM

Agreed, that is one massive garage. At 10 stories it's going to dwarf everything around it for the most part. Hopefully they dress it up a little bit and not have it be just 10 stories of grey concrete, otherwise it would be quite the eyesore.

TampaMike · September 12th, 2012, 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by USF802

Agreed, that is one massive garage. At 10 stories it's going to dwarf everything around it for the most part. Hopefully they dress it up a little bit and not have it be just 10 stories of grey concrete, otherwise it would be quite the eyesore.

In Tampa? Never....

Trying to figure why you saw light poles for a parking lot near Kennedy if the layout looks like that.

Jasonhouse · September 12th, 2012, 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by USF802

Agreed, that is one massive garage. At 10 stories it's going to dwarf everything around it for the most part. Hopefully they dress it up a little bit and not have it be just 10 stories of grey concrete, otherwise it would be quite the eyesore.

Remember, that hulking disaster of a garage the PA built won a design award.

Expect an eyesore, and pray for common sense to someday prevail.

USF802 · September 12th, 2012, 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by TampaMike

In Tampa? Never....

Trying to figure why you saw light poles for a parking lot near Kennedy if the layout looks like that.

One can dream I guess.

And that is what is stumping me, because it's not like it's just a line of them for the sidewalk, they extend pretty far deep into the middle of the lot and go the width of the lot as well.

I just took a look again at the blurry picture koop posted and it's starting to make sense to me. I can make out 'parking ground' on the part near the sidewalk on Kennedy, so that must be for the lights I see. I don't get the retail part though, I wish I could read the rest of that picture.

koopalicious · September 12th, 2012, 09:10 PM

It is supposed to be an office building and garage with retail on the first floor of the garage. So, parking Ground + 2 Levels just means that the garage is three levels (with the offices on floors 4-9).

That said, I've seen what you have and it is basically just surface parking. I'm perplexed. How is that allowable?

TampaMike · September 12th, 2012, 10:01 PM

I'm trying to figure out if they might be doing the project in phases. Something I can look at next week.

Casey · September 12th, 2012, 10:17 PM

And I can't find a site plan or rendering of this, not on TGH's website or anywhere else.

Jasonhouse · September 12th, 2012, 11:45 PM

If I had some pics of the site, or had been down there recently, I could interpret.

Might be putting in temp parking on portions of the site while the garage is erected... Or you might just be seeing the driveways and surface parking shown above being installed as part of a phased project. (then the garage would be built, then the new office building, then they smash down the existing one and replace it too).

Also, I'm not sure, but wouldn't be surprised if most or all of the surface parking is for handicapped and/or visitor spaces, with employees going in the garage. (I'm sure the garage will also be used to park TGH employees who will then be shuttled to Davis Islands, just like they do now from their big lot over at Willow and Kennedy, that they intend to build on)

TampaMike · September 13th, 2012, 05:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Jasonhouse

If I had some pics of the site, or had been down there recently, I could interpret.

Might be putting in temp parking on portions of the site while the garage is erected... Or you might just be seeing the driveways and surface parking shown above being installed as part of a phased project. (then the garage would be built, then the new office building, then they smash down the existing one and replace it too).

Also, I'm not sure, but wouldn't be surprised if most or all of the surface parking is for handicapped and/or visitor spaces, with employees going in the garage. (I'm sure the garage will also be used to park TGH employees who will then be shuttled to Davis Islands, just like they do now from their big lot over at Willow and Kennedy, that they intend to build on)

Actually, this might be happening. Since they'll likely close off the Kennedy entrance/exit soon after to start construction on the office building. I was kind of thinking that when looking at the layout, but it sounded like there was rows of lights being erected. Maybe read too much into it.

kmthurman · September 13th, 2012, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by TampaMike

Actually, this might be happening. Since they'll likely close off the Kennedy entrance/exit soon after to start construction on the office building. I was kind of thinking that when looking at the layout, but it sounded like there was rows of lights being erected. Maybe read too much into it.

My biggest issue is much more immeadiate. With construction on both sides of the street there are two blocks of Kennedy with no sidewalks or pedestrian pathways. People walking around on kennedy right after the blind turn from Downtown. Very dangerous.

TampaMike · September 13th, 2012, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by kmthurman

My biggest issue is much more immeadiate. With construction on both sides of the street there are two blocks of Kennedy with no sidewalks or pedestrian pathways. People walking around on kennedy right after the blind turn from Downtown. Very dangerous.

True. Best thing to do is redirect everyone to go up to North A St. and use that as a detour route. Still has some construction with the dorm building, but street is much calmer and you still have one sidewalk in use.

I think HARTride should also contact HART and see what plans are for the bus stop on the TGH site once construction begins.

koopalicious · September 13th, 2012, 05:28 PM

What I've highlighted is about where the lot is. Depth-wise, it may not be exact since it is a bit hard to tell driving along Kennedy, but as USF said, it definitely stretches the width of the lot.

Casey · September 13th, 2012, 07:14 PM

I think now, with all the new construction in that area, would be a good time for the City to buy the Amscot building at Kennedy/Brevard and tear it down. Then reconstruct/round off that blind curve on westbound Kennedy coming from downtown.

USF802 · September 13th, 2012, 11:05 PM

So I just drove by the site today and the whole thing now is surface parking. The erected lights go all the way back and cover the whole lot. The only exception is where the big tree is in the middle.

Jasonhouse · September 13th, 2012, 11:10 PM

If what you say is true, then obviously the site plan depicted above isn't the controlling plan.

What hell is going on?

USF802 · September 13th, 2012, 11:28 PM

I have no idea. It's tough driving by to get an accurate perception of the layout of the lights and as someone mentioned earlier they could be the lights for the driveways, but it doesn't explain why they go all the way back to the back right corner.

Perhaps, they are building this surface lot and plan to move the parking from the site near the Neighborhood Walmart to this site and then begin construction over there for their other proposed project.

Jasonhouse · September 13th, 2012, 11:57 PM

I was going to drive by today, but my agenda took me up into Carrollwood instead. By the time I got back down south, it was too close to rush hour for a joy ride. (I live up near the stadium). I'll be down that way by Saturday. I would really like to know what's up!

koopalicious · September 14th, 2012, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by USF802

Perhaps, they are building this surface lot and plan to move the parking from the site near the Neighborhood Walmart to this site and then begin construction over there for their other proposed project.

But it's site controlled. You can't even construct a temporary lot in that case.

September 12th, 2012, 10:01 PM	#28
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September 12th, 2012, 11:45 PM	#30
Jasonhouse Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 12,272 Likes (Received): 8	If I had some pics of the site, or had been down there recently, I could interpret. Might be putting in temp parking on portions of the site while the garage is erected... Or you might just be seeing the driveways and surface parking shown above being installed as part of a phased project. (then the garage would be built, then the new office building, then they smash down the existing one and replace it too). Also, I'm not sure, but wouldn't be surprised if most or all of the surface parking is for handicapped and/or visitor spaces, with employees going in the garage. (I'm sure the garage will also be used to park TGH employees who will then be shuttled to Davis Islands, just like they do now from their big lot over at Willow and Kennedy, that they intend to build on) Last edited by Jasonhouse; September 12th, 2012 at 11:50 PM.

September 13th, 2012, 05:28 PM	#34
koopalicious Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Tampa Posts: 410 Likes (Received): 4	What I've highlighted is about where the lot is. Depth-wise, it may not be exact since it is a bit hard to tell driving along Kennedy, but as USF said, it definitely stretches the width of the lot. Last edited by koopalicious; September 13th, 2012 at 05:58 PM.

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September 12th, 2012, 02:25 AM	#21
koopalicious Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Tampa Posts: 410 Likes (Received): 4	I haven't seen a render, but here is part of the site plan. Again, sorry about the quality - it's from the city's webcast. Kennedy/Grand Central to the north.

September 12th, 2012, 03:35 AM	#22
Jasonhouse Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 12,272 Likes (Received): 8	That's a f-ing big parking garage.

September 12th, 2012, 03:42 AM	#23
USF802 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 172 Likes (Received): 2	Agreed, that is one massive garage. At 10 stories it's going to dwarf everything around it for the most part. Hopefully they dress it up a little bit and not have it be just 10 stories of grey concrete, otherwise it would be quite the eyesore.

September 12th, 2012, 09:10 PM	#27
koopalicious Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Tampa Posts: 410 Likes (Received): 4	It is supposed to be an office building and garage with retail on the first floor of the garage. So, parking Ground + 2 Levels just means that the garage is three levels (with the offices on floors 4-9). That said, I've seen what you have and it is basically just surface parking. I'm perplexed. How is that allowable?

September 12th, 2012, 10:17 PM	#29
Casey Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Tampa Posts: 308 Likes (Received): 0	And I can't find a site plan or rendering of this, not on TGH's website or anywhere else.

September 13th, 2012, 07:14 PM	#35
Casey Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Tampa Posts: 308 Likes (Received): 0	I think now, with all the new construction in that area, would be a good time for the City to buy the Amscot building at Kennedy/Brevard and tear it down. Then reconstruct/round off that blind curve on westbound Kennedy coming from downtown.

September 13th, 2012, 11:05 PM	#36
USF802 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 172 Likes (Received): 2	So I just drove by the site today and the whole thing now is surface parking. The erected lights go all the way back and cover the whole lot. The only exception is where the big tree is in the middle.

September 13th, 2012, 11:10 PM	#37
Jasonhouse Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 12,272 Likes (Received): 8	If what you say is true, then obviously the site plan depicted above isn't the controlling plan. What hell is going on?

September 13th, 2012, 11:28 PM	#38
USF802 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 172 Likes (Received): 2	I have no idea. It's tough driving by to get an accurate perception of the layout of the lights and as someone mentioned earlier they could be the lights for the driveways, but it doesn't explain why they go all the way back to the back right corner. Perhaps, they are building this surface lot and plan to move the parking from the site near the Neighborhood Walmart to this site and then begin construction over there for their other proposed project.

September 13th, 2012, 11:57 PM	#39
Jasonhouse Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 12,272 Likes (Received): 8	I was going to drive by today, but my agenda took me up into Carrollwood instead. By the time I got back down south, it was too close to rush hour for a joy ride. (I live up near the stadium). I'll be down that way by Saturday. I would really like to know what's up!