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Old March 19th, 2013, 06:09 AM   #141
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Can't wait to see these beautiful Ukrainian buses here in the USA as well as in Russia, Israel and all over the world.
Ukrainian Bogdan buses already in Russia.
Not sure about Israel, small country has small orders. They are currently expanding in Europe. As for Ukrainian LAZ, Macedonia placed good order a couple of years ago and they use them already.
http://www.kyivpost.com/content/busi...ia-111600.html

Ukrainian LAZ in Macedonia


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Old March 19th, 2013, 07:20 AM   #142
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Yes we have 88 of those LAZ buses in Skopje, Macedonia. We are not satisfied with them at all, since in the first year of service, 3 of them burned. The supplier said that they are not designed for such hot cities as Skopje is (i presume the plains of Ukraine are less hot). All the plastic equipment is falling off, very bad quality and production. Even the chinese Yutong buses are proving to be way better than LAZ.

They even considered building trolleybus network in Skopje using ElectroLAZ but good they have not done that!

Sorry guys that is the truth!
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Old March 19th, 2013, 07:24 AM   #143
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Yes we have 88 of those LAZ buses in Skopje, Macedonia. We are not satisfied with them at all, since in the first year of service, 3 of them burned. The supplier said that they are not designed for such hot cities as Skopje is (i presume the plains of Ukraine are less hot). All the plastic equipment is falling off, very bad quality and production. Even the chinese Yutong buses are proving to be way better than LAZ.

They even considered building trolleybus network in Skopje using ElectroLAZ but good they have not done that!

Sorry guys that is the truth!

No worries. I think that it is okay for the first order. I saw burning Scania buses and other big names - it just happens sometimes.
3 out of 88 I think is okay, hope they will substitute them. LAZ just started, anyway.
Yeap, I think weather in Macedonia is hotter compare to Ukraine and many European countries,
but they will take it as valuable experience and update production technology for sure.
We don't have issues with them in Ukraine, they are just nice. But personally I'm big fun of Bogdan Buses.
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Old March 19th, 2013, 08:34 AM   #144
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While LAZ of Ukraine was supplying Skopje, it is a well-known fact that MAZ was supplying buses to Belgrade. I wonder what the burn ratio for MAZ in Belgrade is. Perhaps someone has done an analysis of the various burning buses across the territory of the former Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia?
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Old March 19th, 2013, 08:40 AM   #145
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While LAZ of Ukraine was supplying Skopje, it is a well-known fact that MAZ was supplying buses to Belgrade. I wonder what the burn ratio for MAZ in Belgrade is. Perhaps someone has done an analysis of the various burning buses across the territory of the former Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia?
Mate, MAZ is Belarusian transport, not Ukrainian.
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Old March 19th, 2013, 09:26 AM   #146
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Yes we have 88 of those LAZ buses in Skopje, Macedonia. We are not satisfied with them at all, since in the first year of service, 3 of them burned. The supplier said that they are not designed for such hot cities as Skopje is (i presume the plains of Ukraine are less hot). All the plastic equipment is falling off, very bad quality and production. Even the chinese Yutong buses are proving to be way better than LAZ.

They even considered building trolleybus network in Skopje using ElectroLAZ but good they have not done that!

Sorry guys that is the truth!
What was the reason for fire?
At least in Kyiv, there was a lot of problems with early LAZ, because of Kyiv wanted the cheapest engines, electronics and etc.
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Old March 19th, 2013, 10:15 AM   #147
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What was the reason for fire?
At least in Kyiv, there was a lot of problems with early LAZ, because of Kyiv wanted the cheapest engines, electronics and etc.
I think Ukrainian Bodgan will be the top brand.
The latest stuff they make is very advanced.
LAZ, probably, will be in budget niche for some time.
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Old March 19th, 2013, 12:45 PM   #148
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I think Ukrainian Bodgan will be the top brand.
The latest stuff they make is very advanced.
LAZ, probably, will be in budget niche for some time.
I don't think so, the price for LAZ and Bogdan are pretty much the same.
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Old March 19th, 2013, 03:40 PM   #149
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SkyGurt: Could you please explain what the technical characteristics are that make Bogdan Buses more advanced than, say, Mercedes or Scania, or any other international bus producer? How did Bogdan Buses gain the experience and expertise to produce buses that are better than other companies in Europe and further afield? Are they producing all their bus parts independently?
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SkyGurt: Could you please explain what the technical characteristics are that make Bogdan Buses more advanced than, say, Mercedes or Scania, or any other international bus producer? How did Bogdan Buses gain the experience and expertise to produce buses that are better than other companies in Europe and further afield? Are they producing all their bus parts independently?
Pretty sure Mercedes and Scania are not Ukrainian buses, so you're likely to be told to take this discussion to another board.
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Old March 19th, 2013, 08:48 PM   #151
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The question is actually to do more with what makes Bogdan Buses so good in the opinion of SkyGurt. I was just curious what he believes their potential unique selling point is as compared to other companies as he claims they will be the 'brand number one bus company in both Europe and the rest of the world'. I hope it's a fair question to his claim and that this is the right place to post the question, too!
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Old March 20th, 2013, 02:37 AM   #152
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Old March 20th, 2013, 03:24 AM   #153
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SkyGurt: Could you please explain what the technical characteristics are that make Bogdan Buses more advanced than, say, Mercedes or Scania, or any other international bus producer? How did Bogdan Buses gain the experience and expertise to produce buses that are better than other companies in Europe and further afield? Are they producing all their bus parts independently?
Thanks for your question.

As regarding standards, new models follow EURO 5 standard.
For example, this model based on diesel and electrical engine (part of the produced power goes to the electrical accumulator and after that may be used for many proposes, including power generation for the engine again).


Driving characteristic are amazing: it is easy to drive, brake, inclination of the bus goes very nicely when bus driver turns. It makes this bus very comfortable for passengers, far beyond Scania and Mercedes (I use the latest Scania, Mercedes and MAN models on a daily basis, but they are not so good compare to Bogdan). You, probably, also spotted our amazing interior design: everything looks neat inside and very convenient for passengers, also for those with disabilities.

The price, operational and maintenance cost will be a surprise for you!

As regarding your question how Bogdan and other advanced Ukrainian brands gained experience.
This goes deeper than just describing one company. You probably remember technology superiority of Soviet Union. Ukraine hosted more than 40% of all Soviet Union research projects. As a result, we inherited lots of manufacturing companies, lots of engineering schools with the smartest people on Earth. For some time our local bus companies worked for internal market and also produced stuff for our neighborhood countries because we fixed economical issues after transitional period. Now is the time when advanced Ukrainian products will be expanding its geography.
We also have our own High-Speed trains which we are going to sell, see: Ukraine | High Speed Rail

The reason why Scania and others have good share on the market just because we where busy with updating manufacturing.
Take a look at tech. product list of our country: airplanes (the latest model Antonov An-158), high-speed trains (KVSZ train), Space Rockets, cars, buses, metro cars, etc.
We are not only capable to provide Europe with better buses, but go far ahead of competition.

Just to summarize all advantages:
a) Follows the latest EURO standards
b) Semi diesel and semi electrical efficient engine
c) Electricity accumulation when the bus moves and usage it to power the engine
d) Sleek movement, beautiful interior
e) Orientated to passengers also with disabilities
f) Great quality, affordable price and small operational and maintenance costs
g) Great exterior design which will make your city better

I hope this clarifies. You may PM me if you have more questions. Cheers.

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SkyGurt: Well, thank-you very much for such a concise and in-depth response. I have never had the chance to ride a bus built by Bogdan Motors, even though I have travelled to Kiev and parts of western Ukraine in the late 1990s - which, at that time, were still seemingly using Soviet-era vehicles. I am very interested in seeing how relatively new brands are coping with new markets and demands (Solaris and Skoda also spring to mind).
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SkyGurt: Well, thank-you very much for such a concise and in-depth response. I have never had the chance to ride a bus built by Bogdan Motors, even though I have travelled to Kiev and parts of western Ukraine in the late 1990s - which, at that time, were still seemingly using Soviet-era vehicles. I am very interested in seeing how relatively new brands are coping with new markets and demands (Solaris and Skoda also spring to mind).
You are welcome. Now Ukraine absolutely different country, you may come and see it again.
EU and UK passport holders do not need a visa.
Our brands also have some additional benefits: we understand CIS (Commonwealth of Independent States) markets, we can better access them and these markets are huge and they need new stuff.
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First time going through this thread, and oh my goodness... are those Metro stations in Kiev? Those look absolutely spectacular... makes me want to go there just to adore arts in motion! I don't know if Moscow's stations look similar to Kiev's, but, I must say that those are wonderful to look at, especially that the themes are much less linked to the Soviet era and instead focus on what's going on today. However, those look really gorgeous indeed... Lovely subway station shots!
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