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Old March 6th, 2016, 10:26 PM   #321
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With all this modernisation on the Subway, are there still thoughts of extending the route. Glasgow subway must be one of the few metros in the world still more or less the same size as when it opened.
No, there are no plans to extend it.
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Old March 7th, 2016, 04:37 PM   #322
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I notice that the new trains for the Subway consist of 4 cars instead of 3 today.
I presume therefore that the cars are articulated and therefore shorter, which would allow a slight increase in the width of the cars.
Every cm gained would help on this charming, but very narrow railway.
If they don't install armrests, this seating on the illustration, is going to be very popular with sleeping passengers.


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Old March 11th, 2016, 08:26 PM   #323
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Yeah, by the looks of the renders, we'll be getting to shorter articulations in the middle of the train, a bit more like a tram.

To me it looks like the new trains will have exactly the same profile as the current ones, but then hey what do you expect with those tunnels. I was also hoping the doors would be made a bit wider and closer to the middle of the carriage to encourage passengers to stand more in and create a bit more space for people to get out when it's crowded, but I guess that middle section will cater for the standing passengers more than the ends of the train.
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Old April 26th, 2016, 02:24 AM   #324
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Glasgow is closing its entire underground network this summer for 4 weeks, starting 02 July.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-...-west-36125416

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The modernisation work involves replacing a 40-year-old section known as "ramps and turnouts", which permits trains to access the tunnels from the surface depot at Broomloan and cross over between the inner and outer circles.
SPT said the section had to be fully replaced to ensure a reliable subway service in the future.
By the way that is the newest bit of the track network they are replacing, at 40 years old. The rest of it dates back to the 1890s and is not being replaced at all.
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Old June 13th, 2016, 09:53 PM   #325
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Official from SPT:

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Subway Services Suspension
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Strathclyde Partnership for Transport (SPT) has announced the latest stage of its Subway modernisation programme, which will require the suspension of Subway train services for approximately four weeks from Saturday 2 July 2016.

Services are planned to resume again on Monday 1 August 2016

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Old July 22nd, 2016, 09:14 AM   #326
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New Airport Express buses in Glasgow are in operation:
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Old July 22nd, 2016, 09:17 AM   #327
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Glasgow subway modernisation update:
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Details of Glasgow Airport tram-train link talks kept secret 'in the public interest'

DETAILS of ongoing discussions over a possible tram-train link at Glasgow Airport cannot be made public because it would deter those involved from putting forward "contentious and challenging ideas", according to a freedom of information ruling[...]
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Old August 12th, 2016, 05:33 PM   #332
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The first of the new Hitachi Class 385 EMUs is on it's way to the UK for testing. We're getting a mixture of three and four car trains (70 in total, almost double the order of the Siemens Desiro units) for new and existing electric services in the central belt, the four car trains will form eight car services on the main Glasgow Queen Street to Edinburgh via Falkirk High route.

These will be mainly for the inter-urban services across the central belt, but they will also become part of Glasgow's suburban network, replacing the Class 314s on the Cathcart Circle Line (which are similar to the Class 315s being phased out in London as part of Crossrail)

Planned roll out:

Autumn 2017 - Glasgow Queen St to Edinburgh via Falkirk High
Early-Mid 2018 - Glasgow Queen St - Cumbernauld - Falkirk Grahamston
Spring 2018 - Edinburgh to North Berwick
Late 2018 - Glasgow Central - Cathcart Circle/Neilston/Newton
December 2018 - Eight car trains introduced on the E&G
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Old August 14th, 2016, 09:17 PM   #333
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I see images of a portal in the construction pictures. Is the 'Clockwork Orange' finally being extended? If not, it should be. Glasgow is a world class city and should have a larger underground network.
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I see images of a portal in the construction pictures. Is the 'Clockwork Orange' finally being extended? If not, it should be. Glasgow is a world class city and should have a larger underground network.
No, it's not going to be extended. Those pictures are from modernization project and Subway won't have any new lines or extensions in near future, which is very sad, but understandable
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That is really unfortunate. They could extend it to the airport, instead of the proposed tram-train link.
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Glasgow Subway could follow Tube with extended night services

Subway trains in Scotland’s largest city could run into the small hours to boost Glasgow’s burgeoning night-time economy[...]
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No, it's not going to be extended. Those pictures are from modernization project and Subway won't have any new lines or extensions in near future, which is very sad, but understandable
So the portal pics are part of the existing line then? I thought the system was completely underground, in one big circle.
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Why the Glasgow subway never extended?
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Probably because it is a "circle".....there are no ends to extend.
My guess is that you would need to build an entirely new line to increase the network.
Glasgow is not a particularly dense city (by European standards) and the suburban rail system and buses seem adequate for current transport needs.
Maybe new tram/light rail would be more appropriate than new subway lines.
(These are observations of a tourist, I have never lived there)
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So the portal pics are part of the existing line then? I thought the system was completely underground, in one big circle.
Yeah, those are the surface ramps to the Govan depot. Look on Google Maps and you'll see this just south of Govan station!

There's a number of reasons it's not really been extended. It was built back when Glasgow was a far wealthier city, back when it could both justify and afford underground rail construction.

Before the Subway was built, the Glasgow Central Railway and the Glasgow City and District Railway were also built. These two lines were built by cut and cover method, similar to the Metropolitan Railway in London. Today they form part of the North Clyde and Argyle Lines of Glasgow's very extensive and dense suburban railway network. *arguably Glasgow has the second oldest underground in the world, after London*

Much of the area which the Subway served, particularly south of the Clyde, was demolished in the 1960s and 1970s, and a lot of this land has never been redeveloped, so the Subway became less important for Glaswegians as it's population was spread out over a larger area than it once was before.

Glasgow's rocky geology makes tunnelling more difficult than in places like London which sits on softer clay, which is probably one of the reasons why we have tunnels of such a small diameter, which in turn gives it a narrow gauge - another reason why it's difficult to extend.

In more recent times, it's been very rare for cities in the UK outside of London to have any kind of large public transport projects. Only Newcastle has built any new Metro lines, and Manchester has had a huge expansion of it's tram network.

There is also a trend in the UK now to favour heavy rail projects. Even in London, it's unlikely they'll ever build a brand new London Underground line, they are more likely to build something compatible with the National Rail network, and this will be the case for Scotland too.

I mean, why build a Subway line to the airport which only serves central Glasgow when you can build a new heavy rail line which could connect to more cities in Scotland and the north of England?

In the future we are much more likely to see:

1) Light Rail/Tram conversion of inner suburban lines, making use of abandoned tunnels and stations (like Kelvinbridge and Botanic Gardens) to provide cross city connections. This will bring similar benefits to the proposed East Circle Subway, and be much easier to extend all across the city, especially to places like Glasgow Harbour, Sighthill and Dalmarnock - areas of current regeneration.

2) The reopening of the City Union Line through East Glasgow to provide new suburban and regional stations at West Street, the Gorbals and Glasgow Cross (thus providing interchange with existing services and making the Scotrail network more metro-like within Glasgow). Again, bringing similar benefits to the East Subway proposal, and bringing a high frequency local train services to the East End which is undergoing a lot of development currently.

3) The building of a deep level National Rail line under Glasgow, connecting Central and Queen Street, and extending Edinburgh-Glasgow via Falkirk High services to Paisley Gilmour Street and Glasgow Airport, freeing up capacity at Central High Level for High Speed 2 and more South Suburban services, meaning you could travel to almost everywhere in Scotland from one station, and directly linking Edinburgh to Ayrshire and the West Coast.

I'd take any three of the above over a Subway extension any day. I even made a mock up of how this might look:

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