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Old October 2nd, 2012, 11:27 PM   #61
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Absolutely, it would make great sense, and it would represent an integrated mass transit system for Greater Glasgow. People usually just think of our wee circle line Subway, but in reality, that's effectively just the central part of a much larger system.

Unfortunately there is no real will to do this. SPT haven't run rail services since 2005, and while most Glasgow area trains still have the SPT liveries, Transport Scotland is running the show now, so for the foreseeable future, the rail system of Glasgow is simply just a part of 'Scotland's Railway'. This isn't necessarily a bad thing, ScotRail provide a very good service, and Transport Scotland will be providing new electrification schemes and rolling stock all over Scotland in the coming years.

A good compromise could be for some sort of simple Glasgow specific branding to be introduced to services (So, for example, a blue square with a 'C' for Commuter, or ClydeRail, or something could be introduced to indicate stations, in the same way as the Merseyrail in Liverpool/Birkenhead). If new cross Glasgow routes are established, and interchange locations increase, the system will allow for higher frequencies and more Metro style operation. But, for now, Transport Scotland want to push the image of a Scotland-wide system, rather than one system for Glasgow and one system for the rest.

Perhaps if Glasgow was the capital, things would be different, but in the eyes of the government, Glasgow shouldn't have special status.
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Old October 4th, 2012, 11:24 PM   #62
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The Glasgow Subway:

Opening in the December of 1896, it's the third oldest underground metro line in the world (although there are subsurface lines in Glasgow which pre-date the Subway) after the London Underground and the Budapest Metro. The Glasgow Subway has never been expanded from it's original loop, as it is considered to be too expensive to build new deep level lines under Glasgow, and the existing heavy rail network already serves central Glasgow well enough.

Originally known as the 'Glasgow District Subway', it was the world's only cable hauled underground railway. It formed the third underground railway line in Glasgow, along side the 'Central Glasgow Railway' and the 'City and District Railway'. It was electrified in 1935, and renamed by the Glasgow Corporation to the 'Glasgow Underground' in 1936, which it was to remain named until the SPT changed the name back to the 'Glasgow Subway' in the 2000s. As a result of this, many Glaswegians will refer to it as either the Subway, or the Underground (or unnergrun, in the local patter ). And, due to the fact that it shares the 'tube' style design of the deep level LU lines, many 'new' Glaswegians, or tourists will refer to it as 'the tube'.

The line itself is roughly 10km in length, and links the city centre with the west-end and the old dockland areas on the south bank of the clyde. It has 15 stations. The track is of 4ft narrow gague, due to the difficulty of tunnelling through Glasgow's hard rock, as opposed to London's clay.

Pre 1977 modernisation:

West Street:

http://www.submitresponse.co.uk/arch...WestStInt1.jpg

Copland Road (now 'Ibrox'):
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Copland Road (many stations used natural light. During the 1977 modernisation, these stations were sadly remodelled with faux-tube style plastic walls)
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St. Enoch (adjacent the old St. Enoch mainline station, now the site of a shopping centre):
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Post 1977 modernisation: In 1977, the Subway was closed for three years. In that time, it was fully revamped, and a stretch of the now disused underground Central Glasgow Railway was reopened as the Argyle Line of the suburban heavy rail network. The stations have mostly remained the same since the 1980 opening. However the Subway is going through it's second modernisation project currently, and will see improvements to stations, tracks, signals and rolling stock. The Subway will be fully automatic by 2016, at least.

Buchanan Street - The busiest on the line with almost 3 million passengers a year. Provides direct interchange with suburban and regional services at Queen Street railway station.

Main entrance on Buchanan Street:


Entrance from Queen Street station:
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South entrance on Buchanan Street:


Station concourse and ticket barriers:
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Platform level (note the late 70s decor, with a 21st century glass barrier on the island platform)


I'll post some other stations up later!
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Old October 4th, 2012, 11:54 PM   #63
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Dalmarnock Station - Argyle Line

Currently undergoing redevelopment, as it will serve the Commonwealth Games' Athlete's Village and the new Commonwealth/Emirates Arena which includes the new velodrome and indoor sports arena.

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Current progress (from this thread on another forum - http://urbanglasgow.co.uk/archive/da...t__t_3235.html)

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Old October 6th, 2012, 04:31 PM   #64
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Hillhead - Subway

The first of the 'modernised' stations. One of the busiest on the line. It serves Byres Road in the heart of the West End, and serves Glasgow University.

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Old October 14th, 2012, 10:55 PM   #65
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A few central Glasgow stations on the two cross-city sub-surface lines.

High Street - North Clyde Line



Queen Street (Low Level) - North Clyde Line


Bridgeton - Argyle Line


Anderston - Argyle Line
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Charing Cross - North Clyde Line

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Old October 17th, 2012, 03:50 PM   #66
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Some stations in the west of the Greater Glasgow/Strathclyde area:

Greenock West - Inverclyde Line
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Paisley Gilmour Street - Inverclyde Line/Ayrshire Coast Line
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Wemyss Bay - Inverclyde Line *interchange with ferry services

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Old October 17th, 2012, 05:32 PM   #67
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Whitecraigs - Cathcart Circle Line


Crosshill - Cathcart Circle Line
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Old October 17th, 2012, 05:46 PM   #68
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Great update, Thx
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Old October 19th, 2012, 04:06 PM   #69
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Glad you're enjoying them

Pollokshaws East - Cathcart Circle Line
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Old October 20th, 2012, 12:00 PM   #70
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Got any pics of the improvements to the Paisley Gilmour St area?
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Old October 21st, 2012, 06:51 PM   #71
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Not personally on me, no. I'm never in Paisley, so I'm not sure what's been improved upon.
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Govan - Subway
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Is this a subway? It looks more like a rail station to me?
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That particular picture is of the Subway. The rest of the pictures are from the urban heavy rail network.
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Cessnock - Subway

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That particular picture is of the Subway. The rest of the pictures are from the urban heavy rail network.
Ah, I see. You mean subway in terms of metro rather a subway.
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Yep! The Glasgow Subway is it's name. We tend to refer to subways as underpasses.

http://www.spt.co.uk/subway/

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Cowcaddens - Subway


(has since had the new platform edge tiles, as in the Cessnock photo, placed)
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What is the ridership of Glasgow subway? It seems pretty small system, one line, tiny trains...
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Yeah, it is pretty small. The busiest stations will see around 2 million passengers per year.

The most recent stat for daily ridership I can find is 2007/2008, where the daily passenger count was on average, 39,698. I'd like to think that's increased now though. During peak times (8-9am and 5-6pm), travelling between the West-End and the City Centre, the trains are very crowded and packed.

Many reasons for this. Just one line, and small trains, as you say. Some of the stations south of the Clyde are in run down empty areas with little housing or development (however new developments in these areas in the near future will boost Subway numbers).

Like I said in the first post, unlike in London, our original sub-surface underground railways were not absorbed into the Subway, and remain part of the main lines today. The urban and commuter rail network is the largest outside of London in the UK, and as such carries many more passengers per day.

Hopefully the new modernisation works, and automatic trains, will help increase capacity in the system and increase ridership. Perhaps someday the Subway will be extended or expanded in some way, but right now the Scottish Government is spending it's transport money elsewhere (like the Edinburgh Trams project).
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