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Old January 23rd, 2013, 06:31 AM   #141
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A Subway train running in open air at the Govan depot.
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One extension proposal from a decade or so ago involved extending the line from Govan to the Airport, most likely running 'overground'. It's something I'd love to see.
I thought the cars never left the underground, that they were lifted up by some sort of crane mechaism for maintenance ?
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Old January 23rd, 2013, 12:45 PM   #142
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I thought the cars never left the underground, that they were lifted up by some sort of crane mechaism for maintenance ?
That was the case before the rebuild in the late 1970s. The only line to work like that now is London's Waterloo and City line.

Since the Subway reopened there's been a maintenance facility at Govan which is wholly above ground, including a short test track on a former railway alignment. But all of the passenger line is underground. The depot does give the weird sight of normal railway built at 4' 0'' gauge.
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Old January 26th, 2013, 12:42 AM   #143
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Yep, there's an exit route from the circle between Ibrox and Govan. There's quite a bit of track on old railway alignment.

Infact, that railway alignment leads onto the heavy rail lines into Paisley, and so by using a few bits of old alignment, a Subway extension into Renfrew (and to the airport) is certainly feasible, and I'm surprised it's not been brought up by the powers that be in the past few years.
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Old January 26th, 2013, 07:31 AM   #144
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Yep, there's an exit route from the circle
Infact, that railway alignment leads onto the heavy rail lines into Paisley, and so by using a few bits of old alignment, a Subway extension into Renfrew (and to the airport) is certainly feasible, and I'm surprised it's not been brought up by the powers that be in the past few years.
A couple of years ago they were talking about massive subway expansion. A few months later they decided they couldn't afford it, especially the tunneling. Which means they probably never considered using that track for an airport extension.
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Old January 26th, 2013, 05:51 PM   #145
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The cost of an Eastern circle was quoted at around £3bn.

One of Transport Scotland's recommendations in a review a few years ago lists 'West of Scotland rail enhancements' as a project, which gives some insight into what could be developed in Glasgow.
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A.245 This intervention supports the terminal capacity issues in Glasgow, which significantly constrain the future ability of the rail network in the West of Scotland to respond to challenges and facilitate change. This intervention supports the objectives to address rail capacity issues in central Glasgow and increase public transport access to areas of economic activity. It also assists in contributing to objectives within corridors that serve Glasgow. The detail of the strategy builds on improvements to be delivered through the Edinburgh to Glasgow Improvements Programme, and could include:

The development of a Metro/Light Rapid Transit network across Glasgow comprising a mixture of conversion of heavy rail (e.g. part or all of the Cathcart Circle), lines on existing redundant infrastructure (e.g. Great Western Road / Botanic Gardens), new lines (e.g. Clyde Waterfront) and some on-road or next-to-road sections; and/or
The provision of a new city centre station linking the rail network to the south and east of the city; and/or
The provision of a new city centre station linking the north and south rail networks.
A.246 Both of the new city centre station options would provide additional platform capacity in the city centre and permit cross-city services to be provided.

A.247 A Metro/Light Rapid Transit system could include new stations, improved service frequencies and improved access to and across central Glasgow. The system would be rolled out on a phased basis. The operational concept for the system using proven technology could be expanded to include a new crossing of the Clyde to around the Southern General Hospital and other lines to link areas not currently served by the heavy rail network.

Contribution towards the Scottish Government’s Purpose

A.248 Existing Glasgow rail terminal capacity will be at capacity within the timeframe of the STPR. The lack of future rail terminal capacity places a significant constraint on the provision of additional rail services to meet future growth.

A.249 The analysis has identified that previous development of the rail network in the West of Scotland has been successful in making best use of the network by implementing small scale interventions and targeting individual constraints. The issue of terminal capacity cannot be addressed in this way, meaning that a ‘step-change’ is required in order to meet predicted future demand. This ‘step-change’ will be supported by some smaller scale interventions and enabling works. Some of these may be deliverable earlier than the major component(s) and allow some interim relief to be gained.

A.250 Detailed analysis of the problems has been undertaken to understand the nature of the terminal capacity issues within the wider West of Scotland context. This analysis, in conjunction with the objectives, has allowed the identification of broad core elements, each of which could form the basis of the strategy to address the objectives:..
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Old January 26th, 2013, 08:38 PM   #146
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Strathclyde Tram
In the early nineties, thanks to the success of Manchester's Metrolink, a similar system was almost given the go ahead. Unfortunately it was veto'd by the private bus companies, who found some kind of loophole allowing them to do such a thing (I'm not too clued in on the details, but that's sort of what happened).

The line would have linked Maryhill in the west (terminating at the former site of Maryhill Central on the Glasgow Central Railway) with Easterhouse in the East. Line 1 would have been the beginnings of a larger system, returning a tramway to Glasgow, a city which once had one of the largest systems in Europe.
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Old January 26th, 2013, 08:56 PM   #147
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mmm, new escalators at Buchanan Street. Won't be long before the new glass canopies go up!
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Buchanan street station. Shot this yesterday. If not picky workers, who spy on you like you are from Mars and trying to invade this place, I would've gotten far better photos.

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Old February 1st, 2013, 04:33 PM   #148
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Cardonald - Inverclyde Line/Ayrshire Coast Line


Located on the main rail corridor into Paisley (Paisley Gilmour Street). Probably the busiest stretch of railway in Scotland. The middle track was put in for extra capacity for express services and freight trains, which frequent this corridor. (The middle track was originally intended for the mothballed Glasgow Airport Rail Link).
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Old February 2nd, 2013, 04:22 PM   #149
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Found a video of the refurbished Hillhead.


By 2016, we should have platform screens and automatic trains in place.

And here's a great video of what once was, when Glaswegians travelled deep under the city in wooden cars once hauled by cable, but in their 'modernised' electrified form.
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Old February 2nd, 2013, 10:17 PM   #150
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It's just 3 cars? Pretty short trains for a metro line.
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Old February 3rd, 2013, 12:46 AM   #151
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I love the 15p single fare in the second video!!

It's sad to admit that since that was made only one other British city has gained an underground.
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Old February 4th, 2013, 02:00 PM   #152
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It's just 3 cars? Pretty short trains for a metro line.
It's a very old line, and the stations weren't extended massively in the late 70s, so we went from 2 cars to 3.

It's not really an issue though, the fact that the Subway is so short means that it's only really heavily used during rush hour for the people who have to get to the West End from the City Centre (usually as an onward journey from a commuter train or a bus).

It was very packed this morning at around 08:30, but it's no worse than any other metro system in the world. It's seldom over-capacity.

It's quite usual to see 6 to 8 car trains on the network rail lines absolutely packed, and some of these lines are metro-like in terms of rolling stock, service frequency, and distance between stations.
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Exhibition Centre - Argyle Line

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Westbound platorm
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Westbound train under the Clyde Expressway
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It's quite an old video now (Hillhead's been upgraded since), but it's worth a watch.
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Another great wee video of the Underground in 1973.


Just look at the state of those stations. It really highlights the true extent of demolition and depopulation of central Glasgow in the 60s and 70s.
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It is true that the city looks very gritty in this video.
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A Low Level train at Central in the 80s, not long after the reopening of the Glasgow Central Railway as the Argyle Line.
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It's not been changed since. In fact, this station is said to be haunted, there are markings of a mans face in decades of dust on the station walls. This was pointed out to me by a friend while I was waiting on a train to Exhibition Centre one morning.
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A 318 on the Argyle Line, on approach to Partick.
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This is Glasgow Cross. Trains did once travel across that bridge into a station, but the line is disused these days (apart from the odd movement of rolling stock from north to south of the Clyde). The Argyle Line runs through a disused station underneath.


Plans to reopen the City Union line as part of Glasgow Crossrail gave us some cool renders, especially of Glasgow Cross, which would become an interchange.



Cumberland Street Station in the Gorbals would gain a modern successor..



And an interchange at West Street with the Subway would be incorporated:



Those renders are now quite old, and Glasgow Crossrail is not going ahead at the moment, but the line will probably reopen again some day, perhaps as part of a new Metro network, or as a Suburban heavy rail line..
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Some more pictures of the City Union Line. Still occasionally used for freight and passenger stock movements. The line weaves it's way through more forgotten parts of Glasgow's city centre.

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[IMG]http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/*****************/City%20Union%20Line%20May%202012/060.jpg[/IMG]


It's a wonderful asset to the city, and it's crying out to be reused!
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Some more pictures of the City Union Line. Still occasionally used for freight and passenger stock movements. The line weaves it's way through more forgotten parts of Glasgow's city centre.

It's a wonderful asset to the city, and it's crying out to be reused!
An asset it might be. There is, however, no potential for passenger services on this line. And that's why it won't see more than the occasional freight train.
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