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Old February 25th, 2013, 03:31 PM   #161
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There's definitely potential. It was axed along with St. Enoch station in the 60s, but electrifying the route and providing passenger services opens up new possibilities:

- Frees up capacity at Central by allowing trains from the south to terminate elsewhere (High Street or Hyndland). Extra capacity may be needed for High Speed rail in the future, and extra capacity could also allow for more frequent suburban trains.
- A new station at West Street creates an interchange to Subway for commuters coming in on the Paisley corridor.
- Returns rail services to the Gorbals.
- Creates new interchange at Glasgow Cross, so commuters from the south can travel to Queen Street (directly) and Central (by changing to the Argyle Line) without having to walk.
- Allows for through rail services between Edinburgh and Paisley (and on to Glasgow and Prestwick Airports).
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Old February 26th, 2013, 06:54 PM   #162
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Passenger services on this line were abandoned for a good reason. They simply provided only limited use. By-passing both mainline termini of the city is barely advantageous. And the at-grade junctions on either end of the City Union line do actually cost capacities on the North Clyde line as well as the Inverclyde line.

Glasgow would certainly do well with a line crossing the city from north to south. But such a line needs platforms at Queens Street and Glasgow Central to provide interchanges to mainline services. The City Union line is barely suitable to provide such a link.
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Old February 27th, 2013, 03:17 PM   #163
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Passenger services on this line were abandoned for a good reason. They simply provided only limited use. By-passing both mainline termini of the city is barely advantageous. And the at-grade junctions on either end of the City Union line do actually cost capacities on the North Clyde line as well as the Inverclyde line.

Glasgow would certainly do well with a line crossing the city from north to south. But such a line needs platforms at Queens Street and Glasgow Central to provide interchanges to mainline services. The City Union line is barely suitable to provide such a link.
Its not as if the line goes through the edge of Glasgow. Within spitting distance of Argyle St and just missing the High Street is central but perhaps a bit like going through Aldgate before the City expanded. So not ideal for a full RER that wants to knit lots of suburban services together and link up with mainline termini. But is that what is being proposed?

The ELL was turned into a cross route, services can be metro (by Glasgow standards), it depends on demand too, but I wonder were you one of the doubters who thought London Overground was ridiculous, that it would never work and struggle to get patronage? There were enough self-appointed experts on this forum who were. The same arguments were trotted out. That something was not done in the past is a poor and usually turning out to be false argument. This was a heavily used freight line. If you can answer how it is no more without conceding to changing local, social and economic conditions then maybe you have a point worth considering.

There's plenty of scope for regeneration and areas that need serving with a local service. An interchange station at Glasgow Cross is fairly central and helps connects the line to other services and it could all potentially be 4-tracked. In the south there is no at grade and there are disused alignments that could connect directly to all 5 routes. In the north grade separation is more difficult but not essential for a good additional service. I would want to know what practical considerations and costs might be involved with extra tracking through Bellgrove, grade separation, deviation of the route north of the river for other destinations etc first before dismissing and using amateur arguments.
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Old March 1st, 2013, 02:51 PM   #164
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Just look at how well used Partick is compared to 10 years ago. Many people now choose to travel to Partick to get their connecting train, rather than travel to Central/Queen Street.
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Old March 8th, 2013, 01:19 AM   #165
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Subway station improvements:
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I'm really impressed with the rebranding. It makes the stations look much nicer. Seems like all the island platform stations south of the Clyde are either done or almost complete. West Street even looks alright now! Got a few pictures, mostly of Bridge St but one of Kinning Park too.







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Old March 17th, 2013, 02:02 PM   #166
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More station 'refresh' stuff.
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Old March 17th, 2013, 09:35 PM   #167
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It's great that they're redeveloping the stations, though I will miss how unique and retro the stations were (I've been to Glasgow on two separate occasions and love the place). Not too keen on the font they've used either, looks like they just tried to find the 'most futuristic' one of MS Office 2000. It won't age very well, and it already looks tired.
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Old March 23rd, 2013, 01:57 AM   #168
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.. an interchange at West Street with the Subway would be incorporated:



Those renders are now quite old, and Glasgow Crossrail is not going ahead at the moment, but the line will probably reopen again some day, perhaps as part of a new Metro network, or as a Suburban heavy rail line..


So if they build a new city centre station accessed via the City Union Line what's the likely stopping pattern at West Street? Lets say half of services from Ayrshire/Inverclyde/East Kilbride/Kilmarnock are re-routed to the new city centre station and half continue to Central. Would everything stop at West St?
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Old March 23rd, 2013, 07:19 AM   #169
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I believe it would only be SPT suburban and not long distance West coast mainline trains stopping at West Street. There's no reason it couldn't be opened along with the subway modernisation
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Old March 23rd, 2013, 11:45 PM   #170
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I believe it would only be SPT suburban and not long distance West coast mainline trains stopping at West Street. There's no reason it couldn't be opened along with the subway modernisation
WCML trains approach from the other side of the city, so West Street would be the final stop before Central Station for Inverclyde, Ayrshire Coast and Paisley Canal line trains.
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Old March 24th, 2013, 02:19 AM   #171
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There is also the Crossrail proposal to build the 'Muirhouse Chord' which would connect the Kilmarnock/East Kilbride lines to the City Union Line via the West Street interchange. Even if Crossrail doesnt happen the Muirhouse Chord and City Union Line could be implemented if they decide to build a new city centre station near St Enoch. West St could then potentially serve trains from Inverclyde, Ayrshire, Renfrewshire, Dumfries, Kilmarnock, Barrhead and East Kilbride destined for either Central or St Enoch.
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Old March 24th, 2013, 02:07 PM   #172
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Crossrail would allow more capacity for intercity trains, and would give adequate space for High Speed services, negating the need for a new station, it also restores rail services to the Gorbals, and allows for direct connections to both Central (by interchanging at Glasgow Cross) and Queen Street.

Interchange is definitely something that would work in Glasgow. Many people now prefer to change at Partick rather than travel into town to catch their train. That stations passenger numbers have doubled since it's refurb. A similar set up at West Street and Glasgow Cross would no doubt be just as popular. Any route that avoids Central is very helpful to a lot of people. Glasgow is a very big city, and not everyone is travelling into town.

EDIT - Although, I will add, some serious development around West Street station is required before anything like that would be realistically considered. It's a mystery that an area with such good transport links is a wasteland.

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I dont think it would be necessary to wait for the area to develop. In fact building the interchange would be part of the pump-priming the area would need to stimulate private investment. And obviously it would deliver immediate benefits in terms of improved connectivity between heavy rail and subway.
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Old March 31st, 2013, 12:25 PM   #174
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'Fastlink' BRT route details in the Pacific Quay area:
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Came across the Route for Fastlink @ Pacific Quay/Govan Road, they are cutting in at the edges of the route to create anew path for the Fastlink route. Looks like its gona be quite a tight route here in time to come with density increasing as time goes on and the traffic lanes being narowed from the offramp at squinty bridge to the route going through pacific drive,looks like film city at Govan town hall are loosing their parking spaces too.

As you can see, we're looking at quite a high level of segregation, which is encouraging. Hopefully this should make it relatively easy to lay tramlines in the future if need be (that's not to say disruption won't happen, but it will be of managable levels.)
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Old April 8th, 2013, 06:57 PM   #175
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Queen Street (North Clyde Line platforms)
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http://urbanglasgow.co.uk/archive/gl...t__t_1025.html
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Old April 10th, 2013, 01:33 AM   #176
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Plenty of train spotters about to provide video..

334s on the North Clyde Line
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Old April 10th, 2013, 04:34 PM   #177
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Kelvinhall is getting it's overhaul.
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I snapped this in Kevinhall today after returning from 11 days abroad. Caught me completely by surprise!

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Old April 10th, 2013, 06:31 PM   #178
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Are they retaining that arc along the sides? Seems like the stations would feel bigger if they simply retiled the wall
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Old April 10th, 2013, 09:41 PM   #179
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I'm hoping they don't. The wall behind the arc is the original victorian station wall. With some restoration, the station would look fantastic. The original ceiling was glass, so natural light could come in. I'd love for that to be cleaned!
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Old April 11th, 2013, 03:49 AM   #180
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Great documentary about Glasgow Underground in 1977, from NellyM channel on YouTube:

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