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Old February 20th, 2013, 03:04 AM   #161
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#3, behind Dubai which is #1 with at least 63, that's the last number I saw but it's probably more. HK is #2 with 62, and NY has 58 including the topped out 1 WTC, 4 WTC, One57, and 1715 Broadway.
Wow, amazing how Dubai just surged up there... i thought HK was still #1..
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#3, behind Dubai which is #1 with at least 63, that's the last number I saw but it's probably more. HK is #2 with 62, and NY has 58 including the topped out 1 WTC, 4 WTC, One57, and 1715 Broadway.
Yeah, Wikipedia, although unreliable, has 70 down. It's likely there's more.
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Old February 20th, 2013, 03:13 AM   #163
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Wow, amazing how Dubai just surged up there... i thought HK was still #1..
But in 600 footers, HK has 104, while Dubai only has 87. Shows how fast Dubai's numbers slope off. NY is ahead of Dubai in 600 footers with 94.
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Old February 20th, 2013, 03:13 AM   #164
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@ RW: Yes, I know. It's just 118m but it has a massive base which gives it much floor area.

@ aquablue: I believe Dubai has 66, Hong Kong is hard to measure because there are tons of complexes like the Sorrento which has 5 towers over 200m, but if I count compexes as one I come to 43 and New York has 57.
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Old February 20th, 2013, 03:17 AM   #165
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Wikipedia has HK down for 61 over 200m, though I didn't consider complexes.
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Old February 20th, 2013, 03:22 AM   #166
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I thought the current tower was nice as it is, until I realized there was an ugly blank concrete extension on the back part.
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Old February 20th, 2013, 10:44 AM   #167
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i think New York has a good chance of getting the title back of the city with most 200m buildings. After all Hong Kong, Dubai and Shanghai are declining in their output by mass and Shenzhen, Guangzhou, Tianjin etc are still too far away to keep up within the next few years.
Hong Kong Yes, but Dubai and Shanghai are still building many 200m and even supertalls. If I could bet, I'd say Shenzhen will be the first city in the world that breaks 100 buildings 200m +
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Old February 20th, 2013, 04:38 PM   #168
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Hong Kong Yes, but Dubai and Shanghai are still building many 200m and even supertalls. If I could bet, I'd say Shenzhen will be the first city in the world that breaks 100 buildings 200m +
The biggest part of all high-rise or supertall projects in Dubai are on hold
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Old February 23rd, 2013, 05:01 PM   #169
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Someone has plans of winning project?
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Old March 14th, 2013, 03:03 PM   #170
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Full steam ahead for L&L's close to perfect office tower:

http://www.rew-online.com/2013/03/13...-office-tower/
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Old March 14th, 2013, 11:14 PM   #171
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Levinson’s L&L Holdings plans to break ground in 2015
I wouldn't call that full steam....
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Old March 15th, 2013, 09:05 PM   #172
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Well, the current 425 Park Avenue has to be demolished first.
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Old March 15th, 2013, 10:24 PM   #173
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It wont be demolished. It will rather be integrated into the new building. Under current FAR rules, a demolishion, would lessen the allowed FAR.

IDK why they dont wait for the new FAR laws and build a massive supertall here.
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Ok, a re-use is good too.
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It wont be demolished. It will rather be integrated into the new building. Under current FAR rules, a demolishion, would lessen the allowed FAR.

IDK why they dont wait for the new FAR laws and build a massive supertall here.
The overwhelming majority of it will be demolished. They're only keeping a portion of the base. If the rezoning goes through before the end of Bloomie's term, maybe they will build the bigger tower. L&L had all finalists submit designs with and without the rezoning bonus.
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Old May 17th, 2013, 12:49 AM   #176
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If the 2017 phase-in is eliminated, then L&L's current proposal by Foster will grow considerably.


Councilman urges faster midtown rezoning

City Councilman Dan Garodnick, who represents midtown east, is questioning a sunrise provision that would delay the start of the midtown east rezoning until 2017.

By Matt Chaban May 16, 2013 1:57 p.m.

City Councilman Dan Garodnick is casting a shadow over a sunrise provision in the Bloomberg administration's east midtown rezoning plan that would prevent the rezoning from taking effect until July 2017.

Mr. Garodnick, who will have the final say on the rezoning this fall, is calling for the elimination of the provision. He argues that with only two towers slated to go up immediately after the rezoning of the 73-block area, there is no reason to delay it. The rezoning, which is going through the public approval process, would allow for the construction of new office buildings in the area bounded by Fifth and Third avenues, between East 39th and East 57th streets.

"I asked the Independent Budget Office, the city budget director, the real estate board, and none of them could give me a clear answer on how slowing down the rezoning for a few years would help or hurt" development elsewhere in the city, Mr. Garodnick said.

The sunrise provision was introduced by the city Department of City Planning to prevent unwanted competition for other mega-projects, most notably Hudson Yards and the World Trade Center, that the city and state have already helped finance. The concern is that allowing new class A office towers to rise in midtown would undercut the leasing of these other projects.

After all, things are not exactly going well at the World Trade Center, and while The Related Cos. and Brookfield Properties Inc. have had better luck finding tenants on the far West Side, there are still millions of square feet of space to fill.

The two new projects most anticipated to be built immediately after the midtown east rezoning is approved are L&L Holding's 425 Park Ave. and an undisclosed tower by SL Green Realty Corp. and Hines on East 42nd Street and Madison Avenue, directly across from Grand Central Terminal.

The Department of City Planning stands by the need for the provision. "We've spent a lot of time studying this matter," a spokeswoman said.

Mr. Garodnick points out that the kind of companies looking in midtown, mostly banks and law firms, are different from those looking on the West Side or downtown, where the rents are cheaper.

"I just don't see how one or two buildings will have that big of an impact, especially if what City Planning says is true, and we desperately need these new buildings," Mr. Garodnick said. "I think we should study it more, but right now, there appears to be no rationale for pushing this development into the future."

However, some developers and brokers insist that it would be harder for them to lease space with newfound competition in the heart of midtown Manhattan. The community boards are equally concerned. Community Board 1 recently joined three in midtown to evaluate the rezoning because the downtown board is concerned about the World Trade Center.

"The World Trade Center campus will not be completed until 2019, so how we can begin to evaluate its success before then makes no sense," said Catherine McVay Hughes, board chair of Community Board 1.

http://www.crainsnewyork.com/article...TATE/130519911

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Old June 20th, 2013, 05:44 AM   #177
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Demolition of ugly 425 Park a milestone for city



An architecture critic chimes in on the old battle axe of a tower.
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Old June 28th, 2013, 06:34 AM   #178
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that tall building will be demolished to erect this brand new tower? It's going to be amazing.
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Old June 28th, 2013, 06:40 AM   #179
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Yes. When the rezoning is enacted, many tall towers will be razed and redeveloped.
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Old July 17th, 2013, 10:20 PM   #180
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several lectures by Sir Norman Foster about his tower put together in a single video



by the way, the CTBUH's database has had this listed at 855ft/260m for awhile now.
http://www.skyscrapercenter.com/new-...-avenue/14787/
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