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Old August 10th, 2012, 12:30 AM   #201
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Old August 12th, 2012, 11:47 AM   #202
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Krakow Old Town


Torun Old Town


Gdansk Old/Main Town


And Gdansk Old/Main Town before WW2...


Is there any list of Polish historic sites by size?
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Between August 7 and August 22, 1914, Kalisz was destroyed almost completely (95%) after the entry of the German units led by Hermann Preusker. 800 men were arrested and then several of them slaughtered, while the city was set on fire and the remaining inhabitants were expelled. Out of roughly 68,000 citizens in 1914, only 5,000 remained in Kalisz a year later. After the town was liberated from Germany in 1918 and became part of the reborn sovereign Poland, the reconstruction was pursued in energetic and enthusiastic way.

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Elblag (not so nice...but you know, local patriotism)




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List of Polish historic sites by size:
Wroclaw (Old Town district) - 680ha (almost completely destroyed during WW2 and most of the historic site wasn't rebuilt)
Gdansk (city within fortifications built in 17th-18th Century) - 255ha (almost completely destroyed during WW2 and most of the historic site wasn't rebuilt)
Krakow - 150ha (well preserved)
Zamosc - 75ha (well preserved)
Torun - 48ha (well preserved)
Warsaw - 26ha (rebuilt after WW2)
Poznan - 21ha (rebuilt after WW2)
Lublin - 7ha (well preserved)

Do you know what is the size of historic sites in Gdansk and Wroclaw today?

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Vilnius (Wilno) - 359ha
Lviv (Lwow) - 120ha

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Wroclaw


Warsaw


Poznan


Lublin


I was wondering why historical reconstructions are regarded as unattractive, fake Disneyland, etc.? Many people will find Kalisz (rebuilt after WW1), Warszawa, Gdansk, Wroclaw or Poznan (all have been rebuilt to some extent after WW2) very charming.
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Examples of modern architecture within historic sites...

New Market Square in Wroclaw (Old Town district)


Olawska Street in Wroclaw (Old Town district)


Tower blocks in Gdansk (Old Town district)




Cloth Hall in Poznan (Old Market Square)


Arsenal Art Gallery in Poznan (Old Town district)


Tower blocks in Poznan (Old Town district)
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About Wrocław, are they ever going to replace the commie blocks by something new/reconstructions?
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Gdansk



Poznan



Warsaw



Krakow


Wroclaw


Lviv (Lwow )
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List of Polish historic sites by size:
Wroclaw (Old Town district) - 680ha (almost completely destroyed during WW2 and most of the historic site wasn't rebuilt)
Gdansk (city within fortifications built in 17th-18th Century) - 255ha (almost completely destroyed during WW2 and most of the historic site wasn't rebuilt)
Krakow - 150ha (well preserved)
Zamosc - 75ha (well preserved)
Torun - 48ha (well preserved)
Warsaw - 26ha (rebuilt after WW2)
Poznan - 21ha (rebuilt after WW2)
Lublin - 7ha (well preserved)

Do you know what is the size of historic sites in Gdansk and Wroclaw today?

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Vilnius (Wilno) - 359ha
Lviv (Lwow) - 120ha
There is a lot of restoration and reconstruction going on in Wroclaw. I would say right now historic site is close to 250 ha but there is a fair bit of modern infill where something wasn't rebuilt and Gdnask about 100 ha...anyone know more about this.
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List of Polish historic sites by size:
Wroclaw (Old Town district) - 680ha (almost completely destroyed during WW2 and most of the historic site wasn't rebuilt)
Gdansk (city within fortifications built in 17th-18th Century) - 255ha (almost completely destroyed during WW2 and most of the historic site wasn't rebuilt)
Krakow - 150ha (well preserved)
Zamosc - 75ha (well preserved)
Torun - 48ha (well preserved)
Warsaw - 26ha (rebuilt after WW2)
Poznan - 21ha (rebuilt after WW2)
Lublin - 7ha (well preserved)

Do you know what is the size of historic sites in Gdansk and Wroclaw today?

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Vilnius (Wilno) - 359ha
Lviv (Lwow) - 120ha
How are they coming up wit these numbers? Wroclaw has a bigger historical area than Krakow?
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These are pre-war numbers, but I wish our friend RS_UK-PL would provide a source.
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Old August 14th, 2012, 07:50 AM   #215
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These are pre-war numbers, but I wish our friend RS_UK-PL would provide a source.
Yeah because how can Zamosc be bigger than Warsaw?
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Yeah because how can Zamosc be bigger than Warsaw?
It's the size of historic site, which I think means the oldest part of the city. Zamość was built in large part "at once", right after it was designed as ideal renneisance city. So big part of it is historic. Warsaw has only small part of its Old Town rebuilt, the rest was destroyed in WW2, and that's why it has small historic site size.

I wonder which parts of Lublin are considered historic site? I guess it's only Old Town district, because 7ha seems very small - for example IMHO Lubartowska, Krakowskie Przedmieście, Wieniawska, Kunickiego and Wolska regions could also qualify as historic, just like Lipowa cemetery and both Jewish cemeteries.
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UNESCO recognized sites (other Polish cities are not listed):
Krakow's Historic Centre - 150ha (http://whc.unesco.org/en/list/29/)
Old City of Zamosc - 75ha (http://whc.unesco.org/en/list/564/)
Medieval Town of Torun - 48ha (http://whc.unesco.org/en/list/835/)
Historic Centre of Warsaw - 26ha (http://whc.unesco.org/en/list/30/)

Other cities:
Old Town administrative borough of Wroclaw (only small area rebuilt after WW2, now probably historic site is smaller than 200ha with a fair bit of modern architecture) - 680ha
Historical centre of Gdansk within 17th-18th century fortifications (again, only small area rebuilt after WW2, now probably less than 100ha) - 255ha
The area of the walled medieval city of Poznan - 21ha
Lublin Old Town district (Medieval Town of Lublin) - 7ha

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Lviv (UNESCO recognized area of 120ha)
Vilnius (UNESCO recognized, the largest historic centre in this part of Europe, 359ha)

I hope this answers your questions.

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From an urban form perspective and for the immediate "wow, this is pretty" factor, I'd say Krakow, Torun and Kazimierz Dolny (from those I've visited). Kazimierz really isn't a city of any sort, but if we discount the awful surroundings of Stare Przedmiescie, Dolne Miasto and Dlugie Ogrody, then Gdansk is also very pretty. My personal favourite is Warsaw - you get a big mix of everything and well, I was born there.
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About Wrocław, are they ever going to replace the commie blocks by something new/reconstructions?
Probably not but I hope they will be renovated nicely.
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UNESCO recognized sites (other Polish cities are not listed):
Krakow's Historic Centre - 150ha (http://whc.unesco.org/en/list/29/)
Old City of Zamosc - 75ha (http://whc.unesco.org/en/list/564/)
Medieval Town of Torun - 48ha (http://whc.unesco.org/en/list/835/)
Historic Centre of Warsaw - 26ha (http://whc.unesco.org/en/list/30/)

Other cities:
Old Town administrative borough of Wroclaw (only small area rebuilt after WW2, now probably historic site is smaller than 200ha with a fair bit of modern architecture) - 680ha
Historical centre of Gdansk within 17th-18th century fortifications (again, only small area rebuilt after WW2, now probably less than 100ha) - 255ha
The area of the walled medieval city of Poznan - 21ha
Lublin Old Town district (Medieval Town of Lublin) - 7ha

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Lviv (UNESCO recognized area of 120ha)
Vilnius (UNESCO recognized, the largest historic centre in this part of Europe, 359ha)

I hope this answers your questions.
I'm referring to the area you posted for Wroclaw and Vilnius, both include a hodgepodge of historic, rebuilt, ugly or not so historic infill, commie blocks and not very historic areas, but you are comparing them to UNESCO designated historic areas in other cities which are very contiguous and have a lot of historic integrity.
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