England - The Hodgson Era

[van heckler]

Downing.

Carroll.

Both players have been dreadful all season and are rewarded with a place in the euros. Disgraceful.

Downing hasn't scored a single goal for England in 33 appearances.

[Ecological]

Liverpool most players in the squad and they've had the most horrific league season in decades.

Sam Murray on Twitter: "I've had the same assists and goals as Downing this season in the prem. Does that mean I get a place in the team?"

[Shenzi]

Originally Posted by Ecological

Team to play France.

Ruddy

Lescott
Terry
Cole
Baines

Milner
Barry
Parker
Lampard
Downing

Defoe

.....i will predict a 3-0 win by france if they face that squad

[Shenzi]

Originally Posted by van heckler

Downing.

Carroll.

Both players have been dreadful all season and are rewarded with a place in the euros. Disgraceful.

Downing hasn't scored a single goal for England in 33 appearances.

downing is shitt but carroll pick is a good pick even tho he has not scored many goals.

Caroll is good for set pieces with his height of 6ft 3inches...he is way better than peter "the giraffe" crouch

[albionfagan]

Sturrridge has been gash since Christmas, doesn't deserve to be in squad. Lennon has been pretty average this season, I've always said you have either him or Walcott as your very limited but fast winger.

Not too bad a squad pick.

[Splish]

Originally Posted by albionfagan

Sturrridge has been gash since Christmas, doesn't deserve to be in squad. Lennon has been pretty average this season, I've always said you have either him or Walcott as your very limited but fast winger.

Have to agree with this bit, Sturridge has been woeful since Christmas, but still has more to offer than others in the squad.

I don't understand Downing's inclusion at all. Would much prefer to see Lennon and Richards in the squad. Crouch will be a big miss, (do u c what i did ther), as he somehow always pops up with goals here and there for the national team.

[albionfagan]

Downing isn't as an absurd pick as you may think, Hodgson will be aware as anyone of his pretty poor form this season but the fact of the matter is that he's a left-footed winger who can play left-wing. Who else is there? Adam Johnson is left-footed but he plays on the right and cuts in. Downing won't start any games, he's just an option to have if Young, who I imagine will start on the left, isn't working.

[Saul Silver]

Disgusting squad selection if you ask me, what is going through Woy's head?

Leaving Sturridge, Carrick and Walker is actually demented.

Dont get me started on Stuart Downing.






Oh and Carroll, I am extremely confused.

[Scarecrow]

He cannae beat a man on the pitch, but show him an ex-girlfriend in town...

[albionfagan]

People are being really stupid and like Sun Journalists here, desperate to criticise without beginning to think about why a decision would be made.

Downing isn't in because of his superb form, it's because we have a complete lack of competent left-wingers, especially left-footed ones. He's in there to act as cover for Ashley Young, blame the appalling lack of talented footballers in England rather than Hodgson. It's not a ludicrous decision, in fact perfectly logical.

[Saul Silver]

Originally Posted by albionfagan

People are being really stupid and like Sun Journalists here, desperate to criticise without beginning to think about why a decision would be made.

Downing isn't in because of his superb form, it's because we have a complete lack of competent left-wingers, especially left-footed ones. He's in there to act as cover for Ashley Young, blame the appalling lack of talented footballers in England rather than Hodgson. It's not a ludicrous decision, in fact perfectly logical.

Aye but every football team does not need a left footed left winger to be successful does it?

Stuart Downing is an average footballer, everyone who has ever played football should know this. Its that simple hes just not good enough.

[Ecological]

Originally Posted by albionfagan

People are being really stupid and like Sun Journalists here, desperate to criticise without beginning to think about why a decision would be made.

Downing isn't in because of his superb form, it's because we have a complete lack of competent left-wingers, especially left-footed ones. He's in there to act as cover for Ashley Young, blame the appalling lack of talented footballers in England rather than Hodgson. It's not a ludicrous decision, in fact perfectly logical.

No Albion.

You miss the fact that WE CAN CHANGE TACTICS.

Not to mention Sturridge is also left footed. Oxlade-Chamberlain plays on the left.

If you play with 5 in midfield you play with two attacking wingers who continously provide and get goals.

ALA

Young Rooney Welbeck
Young Carroll Walcott
Sturridge Welbeck Walcott
Chamberlain Welbeck Sturridge
Sturridge Rooney Walcott
Young Rooney Sturridge

ETC ETC

Downing DOES NEITHER.

Sturridge 13 goals - 7 assists
Young 8 goals - 7 assists
Chamberlain 4 goals - 3 assists (16 games)
MATT JARVIS 8 goals - 9 assists
Stuart Downing 0 goals - 0 assists

[albionfagan]

Originally Posted by Saul Silver

Aye but every football team does not need a left footed left winger to be successful does it?

Stuart Downing is an average footballer, everyone who has ever played football should know this. Its that simple hes just not good enough.

No, but they need cover for every position within the squad and he's the only option really. As I've said, Adam Johnson and Lennon are really right-wingers.

Perhaps, but England are a poor team really, you can't expect quality throughout.

[albionfagan]

Originally Posted by Ecological

No Albion.

You miss the fact that WE CAN CHANGE TACTICS.

Not to mention Sturridge is also left footed. Oxlade-Chamberlain plays on the left.

If you play with 5 in midfield you play with two attacking wingers who continously provide and get goals.

ALA

Young Rooney Welbeck
Young Carroll Walcott
Sturridge Welbeck Walcott
Chamberlain Welbeck Sturridge
Sturridge Rooney Walcott
Young Rooney Sturridge

ETC ETC

Downing DOES NEITHER.

Sturridge 13 goals - 7 assists
Young 8 goals - 7 assists
Chamberlain 4 goals - 3 assists (16 games)
MATT JARVIS 8 goals - 9 assists
Stuart Downing 0 goals - 0 assists

Putting things in capitals doesn't make it more convincing, just more desperate.

How many of those assists did Sturridge get whilst playing as a winger? If I recall correctly he often played as part of triumvirate of forwards rather than as an out and out winger. I assume Hodgson is going to play with two wingers, therefore Downing's inclusion, as cover, is perfectly logical.

[Ecological]

Originally Posted by albionfagan

Putting things in capitals doesn't make it more convincing, just more desperate.

Not suppose to be convincing. Just helps simple people like you identify things easier.

How many of those assists did Sturridge get whilst playing as a winger? If I recall correctly he often played as part of triumvirate of forwards rather than as an out and out winger.

What style is best? England will not play 4-4-2.

Albion/Fulham (Hodgson's succesful teams) have played 4-5-1 or even 4-3-3.

You have 2 attacking wingers who know where the goal is.

Infact most teams play this way that are successful.

*Note - Manchester City, Spain, Barcelona.

I assume Hodgson is going to play with two wingers, therefore Downing's inclusion, as cover, is perfectly logical.

And again. It's not bloody logical because half a dozen players can play in Downings position and alot more successfully.

Just because he is left footed doesn't make him a better option. Infact I think it's a major disadvantage if players can't use both feet and Downing is completely one footed.

Predictable.

[albionfagan]

"44 - Stewart Downing has created more chances than any other player who hasn't made an assist in the Premier League this season. Unlucky." From opta joe.

Now I'm not saying that makes him a good player, but 'assist' stats don't tell the whole story if you've got Suarez and Carroll pissing away chance after chance. We'll see, for me he's the only real choice for cover.

[albionfagan]

Originally Posted by Ecological

Not suppose to be convincing. Just helps simple people like you identify things easier.



What style is best? England will not play 4-4-2.

Albion/Fulham (Hodgson's succesful teams) have played 4-5-1 or even 4-3-3.

You have 2 attacking wingers who know where the goal is.

Infact most teams play this way that are successful.

*Note - Manchester City, Spain, Barcelona.



And again. It's not bloody logical because half a dozen players can play in Downings position and alot more successfully.

No they can't, no player who you've mentioned is a proper left-winger.

[Scarecrow]

Stick Baines in midfield, in front of Cashley. He can beat a man, he can cross a ball, he's good at set-pieces, and he can fucking track back and tackle. Moyes played him there when Whorf was playing left-back at Everton, so he's no stranger to it. Baines isn't a conventional left back by any means.

[Ecological]

Originally Posted by albionfagan

No they can't, no player who you've mentioned is a proper left-winger.

Is Downing a proper winger?

A proper winger creates and scores. Downing didn't do either last season.

You don't need a proper left winger if you play the way we think we will.

And if we do Ashley Young more then fit's the bill as does Oxlade - both of whom can use both feet.

[albionfagan]

Originally Posted by Ecological

Is Downing a proper winger?

A proper winger creates and scores. Downing didn't do either last season.

You don't need a proper left winger if you play the way we think we will.

And if we do Ashley Young more then fit's the bill as does Oxlade - both of whom can use both feet.

Are you blind? I've clearly said that Downing is fucking obviously a cover player for Ashley Young on the left. Oxlade-Chamberlain is not a left-winger in any shape or form. So there goes your argument.

You clearly have a limited knowledge of football if you think Ashley Young is good with both feet, he almost always has to cut inside when on the left because he's unable to cross with his left.