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Old December 26th, 2012, 03:23 AM   #61
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It is interesting that you use the words "Taliban", "Jihad", ... to describe what you want to say, but the problem is that you yourself think like the Taliban, ornamentation means adding beauty to something, of course you can have different opinion or taste about the ornamentation, but you can't say no beauty should be added to a modern building! Taliban don't say classical anastole is better than modern fashion hairstyle or vice versa but they say people should not adorn themselves at all.
Clearly you didn't get it, I never said they shouldn't. Others, however, think that ornamentation must always be included, and that the ones who don't want it are freaks. I think beauty is elegant, clean lines and simplicity. Beauty to others might be decorations, but to me, they are over-the-top and can look too smothering, but I don't think they are freaks. Only the people who call others such names for their tastes are freaks.
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Clearly you didn't get it, I never said they shouldn't. Others, however, think that ornamentation must always be included, and that the ones who don't want it are freaks. I think beauty is elegant, clean lines and simplicity. Beauty to others might be decorations, but to me, they are over-the-top and can look too smothering, but I don't think they are freaks. Only the people who call others such names for their tastes are freaks.
I believe in modern times these kinds of thoughts have been imposed on us becuase of our mechanical lifestyle, it is true that we have many more important things to do than working on the details but it can't change the fact that we always enjoy not only the whole, but also the details.
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Old December 26th, 2012, 09:05 PM   #63
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But that's not what I'm saying. My only problem is people calling others 'freaks' for their tastes.

And btw it's not that details 'aren't important' it's just that, in my opinion, no details and simplicity looks better than overly-crafted buildings.




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Old December 26th, 2012, 10:56 PM   #64
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But that's not what I'm saying. My only problem is people calling others 'freaks' for their tastes.

And btw it's not that details 'aren't important' it's just that, in my opinion, no details and simplicity looks better than overly-crafted buildings.
I don't know what you call people who see no difference between a simple stone and a stony statue, people like Taliban who have no respect for art and destroy these beauties, of course it can be said it is their tastes!
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Old December 27th, 2012, 05:17 AM   #66
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I don't care what you think of them. I only care that you stop calling others freaks for their tastes. This isn't the first time I've seen you do it. Even others are doing the same thing, it's disgusting.
@Cyrus I see anybody who insults or hurts people for their personal tastes as Taliban. Even if a modernist is calling someone a freak for liking ornamentation, he is like the Taliban. It doesn't matter.
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I used that word ONCE on ONE thread a while ago.
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That's your opinion.
Nobody goes to Paris to go for modernism or just blank walls. Similarly, I'm sure the great majority of people who go to the Louvre go to see classical art, with all its rich ornamentation.

YES! Yes it is their opinion - just as yours is your opinion, which is not more valid than anyone elses. None is "better" than the other.

Now describe what defines a beautiful/ideal man or woman - I'm sure you'll get total agreement from EVERYONE...
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And the architecture taliban strikes again.
That's just YOUR opinion.

Oh, when will everyone see that MY OPINION, and ONLY My Opinion counts, and all others are ignorant twaddle at best...
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by the way, Adolf Loos produced such hideous sad things


If one sacrifices beauty on the altar of pure function, he's not considering that life is not just surviving, and beauty has a big part in life (or it should have).

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It's amazing how many classicists believe that modern architecture is based on function only.
It's not. It's based on the appreciation of clean forms and lines instead of that smothering ornamentation like in the upper pictures. Great function is just an appealing feature such a design creates.

I don't have anything against classical architecture, but the propaganda the classisicts write against modernism is amazing.

Answering the thread question, my favourite ornamentation is the tre/quatre-foil
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It's amazing how many classicists believe that modern architecture is based on function only.
It's not. It's based on the appreciation of clean forms and lines instead of that smothering ornamentation like in the upper pictures. Great function is just an appealing feature such a design creates.

I don't have anything against classical architecture, but the propaganda the classisicts write against modernism is amazing.

Answering the thread question, my favourite ornamentation is the tre/quatre-foil
It is also sad how many modernists think that ornamentation on a building is always restricted to certain classical/Gothic types and sizes
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I am also appalled by the way that the blandness of blank sides in modernism is referred to as "clean", as if making a side appear interesting, and worth looking at made it less perfect, instead of the other way around.
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Actually, if a building has detail, it should do it in a refined manner, like classical buildings do. Unless a new style is invented that would fit in seamlessly with architecture from a long time ago, details should stick to gothic and art deco and so on.
Architecture is about looking good, it's not limited to being 'interesting'. Modernist and classical architecture can do this.



This is modernism with superficial detail (postmodernism). Would anybody really want this? Whacky gehry-style architecture of the 2000s is becoming dated now, and is being replaced with more clean elegance of simple forms.
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It's amazing how many classicists believe that modern architecture is based on function only.
It's not. It's based on the appreciation of clean forms and lines instead of that smothering ornamentation like in the upper pictures. Great function is just an appealing feature such a design creates.

I don't have anything against classical architecture, but the propaganda the classisicts write against modernism is amazing.

Answering the thread question, my favourite ornamentation is the tre/quatre-foil
I don't consider myself a classicist, actually my favorite architecture is that of the twentieth century and I like a lot of decidedly modern buildings. But to me that kind of white boxes above that Loos (or Le Corbusier and other modernists) did is just absolutely ugly.
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That is also a type of ornamentation, I think everyone likes symmetry and harmony, for this reason a flower is beautiful:

Nature is itself quite ornate.
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To me the best ornamentation is BALANCED. Beautiful, intricately detailed in all of the right places while also allowing blank space.

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I am also appalled by the way that the blandness of blank sides in modernism is referred to as "clean", as if making a side appear interesting, and worth looking at made it less perfect, instead of the other way around.
I've always thought of calling it "clean" being like calling a body stripped down to the bones "clean".

I don't find it clean, I just find it deprived (starving even).
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