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Old May 5th, 2012, 11:03 AM   #1
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From Stevenage, UK to Mo-i-Rana via Holland

Some of you kept on asking me to do a photo report on that trip from England to Norway. Here it is:

Getting ready for take off in Stevenage:


First stop: Sainsbury´s in Stevenage for some roadsnacks:


M11,M25 interchange in Essex:


Dartford Crossing:


Port of Dover:


Dover waiting for the ferry


On the ferry


Arrival Calais


Calais, France


French, Belgian border


Amsterdam
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Old May 5th, 2012, 11:08 AM   #2
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Afsluitdijk, Netherlands


Exit Bolsward, Netherlands. My van needs a wash.


Clean me, Seymour


Entering Sneek, Netherlands.
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Old May 5th, 2012, 11:13 AM   #3
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Sneek. My granddad will be joining me for the rest of this trip. He sadly passed away nearly two years ago.


Hotel at Puttgarden, Germany.


Ferry Puttgarden to Roedby, Denmark


Denmark


Helsingör, Denmark - Ferry terminal


On the ferry to Helsingborg, Sweden
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Old May 5th, 2012, 11:19 AM   #4
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Helsingborg, Sweden


Filling up somewhere on E4, Sweden


E4, Stockholm


Sundsvall, Sweden

Northern Sweden



Delivery Mo-i-Rana, Norway


Heading back towards Oslo


Somewhere south of Trondheim
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Old May 5th, 2012, 11:44 AM   #5
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Hmm, merge with "Roadtrips"?
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Old May 5th, 2012, 11:52 AM   #6
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Sure. I decided to open up a seperate thread, so it wouldn`t get lost, as a lot of you asked me for this report.
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Old May 6th, 2012, 10:36 PM   #7
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I actually wonder: you don't have a sleeping cabin, don't you? Do you sleep in hotels on such trips?
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Old May 6th, 2012, 10:41 PM   #8
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I did when my granddad was with me, and also when I have to stop somewhere for more then two days in winter, but normaly I either sleep in the front across the seats, or I keep a little matras in the back.
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Old May 10th, 2012, 01:36 AM   #9
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Hello "colleague",

I will have some questions about your trip towards Norway.
1:My geography isn't certainly very good, but is the toll in England is in eastern London ?
Because, I believe a toll doesn't exist on the other parts of the London ring.
Is it a better road to cross the capital ? How much the toll ?
2: I suppose you passed in northern NL to meet your granddad, but to go towards scandinavia, Antwerpen - Eindhoven-Dortmund -Bremen is the shortest road in time, isn't it ?
3: More easy to take the boat in Puttgarden rather than through western DK ?
I 've never been there ,so I don't know differences in price, time and comfort.
Maybe you know them.
4: Why pass in Stockholm on the way out ?
The road is better ? And about the customs ? You can pass the norwegian border anywhere even with goods ?Because it's outside EU, so I believed it was compulsory to cross border by a main checkpoint customs.
5: If I remember right ,because I read this website for 2 years, Mayrhofen is in A, and your firm is based in GB. Your company is certainly important but never seen it on the road. Very secret ! Not like RO and PL express vans, they are everywhere !
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Old May 10th, 2012, 01:05 PM   #10
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Hello "colleague",

I will have some questions about your trip towards Norway.
1:My geography isn't certainly very good, but is the toll in England is in eastern London ?
Because, I believe a toll doesn't exist on the other parts of the London ring.
Is it a better road to cross the capital ? How much the toll ?
2: I suppose you passed in northern NL to meet your granddad, but to go towards scandinavia, Antwerpen - Eindhoven-Dortmund -Bremen is the shortest road in time, isn't it ?
3: More easy to take the boat in Puttgarden rather than through western DK ?
I 've never been there ,so I don't know differences in price, time and comfort.
Maybe you know them.
4: Why pass in Stockholm on the way out ?
The road is better ? And about the customs ? You can pass the norwegian border anywhere even with goods ?Because it's outside EU, so I believed it was compulsory to cross border by a main checkpoint customs.
5: If I remember right ,because I read this website for 2 years, Mayrhofen is in A, and your firm is based in GB. Your company is certainly important but never seen it on the road. Very secret ! Not like RO and PL express vans, they are everywhere !
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Hi Fane, are you a European Express van driver as well?

1: Dartford Toll Crossing is on the east-side of the M25 London Orbital. Northbound you go through a tunnel, southbound it´s a bridge. It is the quickest way coming from the North and North-East of England, and tolls cost GBP1.80 for vans. At night time it´s free.
2: Coming from Calais there are two options which are both as long. You can either go via Eindhoven, Venlo, Oberhausen and then across towards Bremen, or you can go via Antwerp, Breda, Utrecht and Hengelo, and pick up the German A1 from there, which goes all the way to Puttgarden.
3: For one thing it´s a lot shorter. Ferry from Puttgarden to Denmark takes 45 minutes, and they run every 15 minutes.
4: I live in Mayhofen, because it´s a lot nicer then the UK. I have a place in the UK as well, as I work out of there. Most weekends if I do an Italy at the end of the week I am here, and come back up through Germany after the weekend, unless there is a reload in France. We do get a lot of competition from undercutting Poles, but they are not always as reliable, so still plenty of work for us...

On this trip I decided to go via Stockholm, as the first 600 km it´s all motorway, and in Norway from Oslo only. Norway is not in the EU, but it´s still a Schengen country, which means no border checks. But freight transport still need to be declared. Same as with Switzerland.
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Old May 12th, 2012, 01:38 AM   #11
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Yes, I am an express van driver but it's my second job.
My first is in agriculture, I realize tries for differents companies in my department and around.
I live near the second french express company (ATS), which is situated along the N10/A63 between Bordeaux and Bayonne.
Certainly you know them, their vans and trucks are coloured with their advertising.
I work sometimes for them but only in the SW of F for the present.
And for some other express messengers.
For one of them, I went in I, E, P, TN(tunisia). And all F of course.
More when I was employee in this job, 10 -15 years ago, I went in GB, D.
And colleagues in all europe, were even to N, S, eastern countries, IRL,...
Today, I am an independent worker. With my both vans. A Citroen Jumpy and a Sprinter.
It's difficult to me to go everywhere ,especially during 7-8 months a year, because of my other activity.
But I don't want to drive all the time, too much tiring.
When we are contrained to drive all the night ,sometimes the morning more, and sleeping into the van, it's hard.
But advantages are over ! No boss, no wife !!, restaurants, sceneries,...
I don't speak money. It's depressing.
I decline to be payed in "one way". Like eastern van drivers !
But some french agree to do like them.They need loads to survive.
I know a big spanish company (with three letters), which takes some market parts (? =deals) here. They break prices.
But,to accept to stay in a highway parking during two or three days before a reloading is not my way !! We don't have a truck, only a van.
I'm sorry for them but they accept anything for a very little price.
It's amazing, that's not like that they can make money. Unfortunately, they kill a part of our job.
We do express delivery, not tourism.
OK ! I have finished my anger !
But, what is a french without anger ? Always grouser .
Isn't it ?

And my english is not very good too !



1:Ok, very cheap.

2: Interesting, more efficient than the ferry between San Giovanni and Sicilia !.
No, I love Italy, my preferred country !


4: I live in Mayhofen, because it´s a lot nicer then the UK. Sure ?! You mean England, not Scotland and Wales. Sorry...
We do get a lot of competition from undercutting Poles, but they are not always as reliable, so still plenty of work for us...
I hope for you that will continue

On this trip I decided to go via Stockholm, as the first 600 km it´s all motorway, and in Norway from Oslo only. Norway is not in the EU, but it´s still a Schengen country, which means no border checks. But freight transport still need to be declared. Same as with Switzerland

Nice trip, very long.
Some french and spanish vans go sometimes in northern sweden, like Lulea for a truck factory there. I hope to go there one day, but I don't have any regular contract.Only emergencies.

We don't have big industrial subcontractors and companies in the SW ,except in aeronautics.
So, I carry out a majority of relays.

And your job, regular or not ?
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Great thread, how long did the whole trip take?
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Old May 12th, 2012, 01:57 AM   #13
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Yes, I know ATS, we did some work for them out of their Lille office. I pass where you live all the time, and sometimes do work out of Irun, just across the border from you. Maybe you know them: Panam Europe, which is mainly run by Germans. They also have an office in Barcelona. My job used to be regular, but this winter I did a bit of taxi-driving. I´m now at home with a broken arm, and I´m still looking in doing work for somebody else - basically working for a different company. So I´m looking around here in Austria, as well as Germany and France. There is a company in the Orleans area, and they asked me to work for them a few years ago. Problem is: I don´t remember their names and where they are located...
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Great thread, how long did the whole trip take?
Let´s see... I left England on a Saturday and stayed in Rotterdam overnight, Sunday I picked my granddad up, and hotel in Puttgarden, Monday we had a hotel near Sundsvall, Sweden - Tuesday evening arrival Mo-i-Rana. Wednesday delivery and overnight in Norway somewhere, Thursday night back in Holland, and took my granddad home. Friday I had a reload in Mönchengladbach, Germany and back in England same day...

Normally it would take me a lot quicker, but I had my granddad with me. I couldn´t expect him to sleep in the van with me...
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Yes, I know ATS, we did some work for them out of their Lille office. I pass where you live all the time, and sometimes do work out of Irun, just across the border from you. Maybe you know them: Panam Europe, which is mainly run by Germans. They also have an office in Barcelona. My job used to be regular, but this winter I did a bit of taxi-driving. I´m now at home with a broken arm, and I´m still looking in doing work for somebody else - basically working for a different company. So I´m looking around here in Austria, as well as Germany and France. There is a company in the Orleans area, and they asked me to work for them a few years ago. Problem is: I don´t remember their names and where they are located...

Try this for the french company in the department 45 (Orleans and around)
and let me know if you don't find it.

http://www.pagesjaunes.fr/trouverles...05f?portail=PJ

About Panam Europe , you mean "trans paneuropa" ?
But, never do a load for them, french prices are higher than spanish, and with the big crisis in their country, difficult for me to work with them.
Same thing with HTG, Arin, Speed pack, Euroexpress,....
Have a good recovery...
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Old May 12th, 2012, 04:56 PM   #16
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This is interesting.

I always thought long distance transport were performed by trucks and not vans. Vans take care of shorter hauls.

Also trucking has become less profitable over the years, because of harder legislation, expensive fuel, taxes, environmental demands and cut throat competition from low cost countries.

Profits and salaries are low now. Forregin low-cost workers drive their trucks here in Sweden so trucking companies have to lay of their native drivers.

Having this in mind it's a mystery to me that someone can make a living of driving his van such a long way, especially when you need 3 ferries. Rödby-Puttgarden & Helsingör-Helsingborg is about 100 EUR one way. If the vehicle is over 6m it's 200 EUR. I don't know what the ferry Dover-Calais costs but I believe it's not much cheaper.

What's in that load ? must be more logistically efficient to drive a truck and long haul trailer, so you can take 10 times the load of a van.

I find it to be great job though. I also want to see the world and getting payed for it.
If I get a van can I be hired? Do I need to register my own company ?

The only disadvantage would be the social isolation.
When companies like DHL hire courier staff for van-driving they have very high demands of references, experiences and requirements, so beeing your own supervisor must be the best option.

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Vans are using way less fuel, costing less tolls, are allowed to drive faster, driving times aren't regulated and the driver doesn't need a truck licence. Of course they can carry less weight and lower volumes, but especially on small freight where time is a big issue, it can be profitable.
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Vans are using way less fuel, costing less tolls, are allowed to drive faster, driving times aren't regulated and the driver doesn't need a truck licence. Of course they can carry less weight and lower volumes, but especially on small freight where time is a big issue, it can be profitable.
And they can drive on weekends.

Why do you take expensive ferries when you drive from Germany to Sweden via Denmark? Isn't cheaper use bridges?
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And they can drive on weekends.

Why do you take expensive ferries when you drive from Germany to Sweden via Denmark? Isn't cheaper use bridges?
It's only about 20 EUR cheaper if you take the 2 bridges, but driving distance is more than 250km longer, so it's not worth it. I don't even think you loose any time because the ferries go each 20-40 minutes. You also enjoy taking a break on the ferry, than crossing the bridge. The bridges are only useful for trains, that's my personal opinion.
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Vans are using way less fuel, costing less tolls, are allowed to drive faster, driving times aren't regulated and the driver doesn't need a truck licence. Of course they can carry less weight and lower volumes, but especially on small freight where time is a big issue, it can be profitable.

Right.
Some customers prefer this kind of transport even if the price by kilometer is more expensive than a truck.To compare with volume and weight.
Normally, we arrive before a truck.
In F, an independent driver can do what he wants.An employee who drives a van must respect the same hours of driving than a truck driver.He has with him a note-book with recording of his hours.Must be produced if police or specific checking request it along roads.It's rare but very important in case of accident.
Don't know if other european countries have the same obligation.
Other customers don't want a transport by plane through europe because of fragility of their goods, big value, single spare parts, etc....
I already brought a small envelope to an other country like a complete van.
Inside big cities, you can see messenger in bike or scooter.
And escort goods by plane exist too.
Everything is possible !
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