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Old July 5th, 2017, 01:11 PM   #801
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Old July 5th, 2017, 07:22 PM   #802
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Collection of some renovations [16th District // Ottakring // Part VI]

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Old July 5th, 2017, 07:32 PM   #803
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Collection of some renovations [16th District // Ottakring // Part VII]

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Old July 5th, 2017, 09:11 PM   #804
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Update: The Icon Vienna [Central Station]

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# Features: 3 buildings next to the main entrance of the new Central Station
# Use: office
# Heights: 88m, 66m, 38m
# District: 10th Favoriten [central]
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Old July 5th, 2017, 09:13 PM   #805
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Old July 5th, 2017, 09:33 PM   #806
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WTF?! Absolutely hideous! Two weeks ago I visited Vienna and saw many of these abominations. I stood near Maria-Theresien-Platz in the middle of the beautiful, historic Ringstraße and several ugly as sin modern roof extensions towered over the historic roofs in the vicinity.
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Old July 5th, 2017, 11:21 PM   #807
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The city grows by about 30.000 people a year. This dictates the need for living space.
Why they cant do more fitting versions of rooftop expansions remains unclear. Probably, cause they are still so popular, that anything will do it.
I am not generally against it cause I also see, that a dynamicly growing city like Vienna can not be treated as a museum. But i do not understand why rooftop expansions need to break with everything that gave the old building its beauty. Its beyond me.
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Old July 6th, 2017, 02:20 AM   #808
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These roof expansions are only affordable for the very rich, these make up a very small percentage of the 30k people moving to Vienna each year. Sorry, that argument I don't buy at all.
The ever brought up "This city isn't a museum"-argument is also a flimsy one. There are a lot of historic cities, especially in Europe's south, that are dynamic, livable and they grow too, even faster than Vienna. A city definitely can grow and respect and preserve its heritage at the same time. You do not need to build a spacious loft or atelier for the rich in the shape of a modernist tumor on top of historic houses.
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Old July 6th, 2017, 08:17 AM   #809
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The city government still supports building these. As living space is urgently needed.

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There are a lot of historic cities, especially in Europe's south, that are dynamic, livable and they grow too, even faster than Vienna. A city definitely can grow and respect and preserve its heritage at the same time.
Name at least one southern european city that is growing quicker than Vienna.
You won't find any and you can also extend your search to the whole of europe. This underlines my argument and helps to understand, why there is so much demand for new homes. That is the reason why expanding buildings by a few floors is supported.
Why they allow the expansions to look like tumourous growth, is beyond me and probably just a sign of bad taste. Maybe there are people who like them.
There is also a lot of less offensive examples as the most recent ones posted on here.
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Name at least one southern european city that is growing quicker than Vienna.
Rome! A beautiful, historic (museum?) city. http://worldpopulationreview.com/wor...me-population/

Hey, I give you two more.

Madrid! http://worldpopulationreview.com/wor...id-population/

Barcelona! http://worldpopulationreview.com/wor...na-population/
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Old July 6th, 2017, 11:18 AM   #811
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That data looks rubbish. who cares about the agglomeration. its about pressure on the city cause people moving into the already densely built up districts of the city.

Lets go by eurostat:

Barcelona 2007: 1.595.110
Barcelona 2016: 1.608.746
increase: 13.636 or 0.8% in 9 years

Madrid 2007: 3.132.463
Madrid 2016: 3.165.541
increase: 33.078 or 1% in 9 years

Rome 2007: 2.705.603
Rome 2016: no data 2014: 2.863.322 (which is an increase by more than 220.000 in 1 year up from 2013 and points to some administrative changes. 2013 population was: 2.638.842, showing a modest decline.
increase: 157.719, or 5.8% up in 9 years (calculating with the 2016 data, which i dont trust)

Vienna 2007: 1.661.246
Vienna 2016: 1.840.226
increase: 178.980 or 10.8% up in 9 years

my point was, that vienna, restricted in size is currently seeing massive growth, incomparable to any southern european city. the demand for housing is so high, that measures like the ones discussed above are taken. It shouldnt be an excuse for the abominations. but i like to think that it is easier for a city to preserve its cultural heritage, if there is less of a population boom.
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Old July 6th, 2017, 07:41 PM   #812
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These roof expansions are only affordable for the very rich, these make up a very small percentage of the 30k people moving to Vienna each year. Sorry, that argument I don't buy at all.
The ever brought up "This city isn't a museum"-argument is also a flimsy one. There are a lot of historic cities, especially in Europe's south, that are dynamic, livable and they grow too, even faster than Vienna. A city definitely can grow and respect and preserve its heritage at the same time. You do not need to build a spacious loft or atelier for the rich in the shape of a modernist tumor on top of historic houses.
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WTF?! Absolutely hideous! Two weeks ago I visited Vienna and saw many of these abominations. I stood near Maria-Theresien-Platz in the middle of the beautiful, historic Ringstraße and several ugly as sin modern roof extensions towered over the historic roofs in the vicinity.
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I think it is a matter of taste whether you like modern roof constructions on historic buildings or not. It's okay if you don´t like the architectural mix, but viewed in isolation they are of high quality (especially if you compare them with other new residential buildings in our city). At this point, you have to understand the development in Vienna. Compared to other cities (for example Berlin) we dont have the space to develope new residental buildings in central areas. The city is growing rapidly (+40.000 last year) and there is a big demand for high-end flats. The customers of this segment like a lot of glass and striking modern architecture, so historic constructions are not an option. It seems like we build all the modern residential architecture which everybody likes - but on a different place - on our roofs. I think it is better than tear down the historic buildings to create new space. If you take a look inside the apartments, you will understand their popularity. And the renovation of an old building does not only involve the roof. They really do a good job. Take a look at the pictures in post #694 or #695. Okay, you dont like the extension – thats fine! And the restoration of the units and the facade, the new ground floor with shops, the patio with new balconies!? The new patio is of high-quality (most of the time they are really dark/ugly before the renovation)! I think its unfair to hate the whole project because of a modern roof. You should also pay attention to the (expensive) details. They are financed by the "ugly" new roof and the modern flats.

Next time you should visit the 16th district or the west of vienna! These are the real residential districts. You may not like the modern roof structures but there is still enough to see. Apparently you only pick out the bad things!

Examples (16th district):









The two art nouveau buildings were bought by the city. Now Social Housing!







More examples - you can take a look at this album: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...1626289&page=2

If you wanna understand the district:

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The 'Balkan Mile'

The "Balkan Mile" (Also known as "Balkanstrasse") is a neighborhood sitting on the border of the 17th and 16th districts of Vienna, centered along the major street Ottakringer Straße. It has a high concentration of Yugoslavian cafes, restaurants and nightclubs, where the Serbian language is mainly spoken, and Turbo Folk music is played. This stretch of the Ottakringer Straße is commonly referred to as the "Balkan Mile" (Balkanmeile), and represents a Yugoslav/Serbian enclave in Vienna.[3]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottakring
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Part I: ParkApartments Belvedere [Central Station]

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# Use: residential, hotel
# Heights: 5x60m
# District: 10th Favoriten [central]
# Architect: Renzo Piano









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Old July 7th, 2017, 03:26 PM   #816
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Old July 7th, 2017, 09:40 PM   #817
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Completed: Roof Top Extension [Schönbrunner Straße 111]

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Completed: Roof Top Extension [Schönbrunner Straße 111]









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Good they are doing something against shortage of living space and something for the less-well-off, so that they can live in the city.

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Swimming pools on rooftops of social housing is a very common thing in Vienna. Numerous examples for that. Ever since the 70s they did this.
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Completed: Rooftop Extension [Heinestraße 30]

#District: 2nd Leopoldstadt [central]



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