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Old July 20th, 2013, 08:43 PM   #441
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That's irrelevant to award the organization of Expo.

What is important is how they can affect the recent unrest has been Brazil, which have shown remarkable social discontent with the allocation of public resources.

Are Brazilians really agree that billions of dollars are devoted to the organization of big events rather than reduce social inequalities?
Do you really think the political unrest is simply based on public insatisfaction by the events? If not for the events, nothing that have been done would have been done anyway. And don't base yourself on biased spanish media at all (no wonder Spain is possibly the only country in the whole world a big proportion of Brazilians has no simpathy for, and has absolutely nothing to do with football) and hence the only one booed in the confederations cup. The gains in such events may be unmeasurable, since the country is going out of obscurity in many aspects, bringing tourism, foreign investiment and so on which would place the country in a more central position in the world, and then may "reduce social inequality". Political unrest is based on insatisfaction of specially newer generations that are not accepting easily what has been done in the country since it started to exist. Nowadays information is widespread. Brazil has a potential to be much better socially, politically and economically than it is and everyone knows that, and that is what causes political unrest. Most people is aware of the gains and losses of the events, Rio de Janeiro is transforming itself after decades of decadence, but the way things are done in all other spheres such as infraestructure, public healthcare, quality of education, taxes, corruption, government inneficiency which way more than simply inneficient organisations and allocation of public resources in those events, which is in the end a rather small fraction of the whole public expenditure a country like Brazil has. If even Spain, a bankrupted country, are constantly trying to get event such as the Olympics is because they know there are gains which can not be simply measured by expenditure and financial gains in the events, and in Brazil those gains would be much higher considering its more peripheric and obscure place in the world.
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Old July 20th, 2013, 11:13 PM   #442
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Do you really think the political unrest is simply based on public insatisfaction by the events? If not for the events, nothing that have been done would have been done anyway. And don't base yourself on biased spanish media at all (no wonder Spain is possibly the only country in the whole world a big proportion of Brazilians has no simpathy for, and has absolutely nothing to do with football) and hence the only one booed in the confederations cup. The gains in such events may be unmeasurable, since the country is going out of obscurity in many aspects, bringing tourism, foreign investiment and so on which would place the country in a more central position in the world, and then may "reduce social inequality". Political unrest is based on insatisfaction of specially newer generations that are not accepting easily what has been done in the country since it started to exist. Nowadays information is widespread. Brazil has a potential to be much better socially, politically and economically than it is and everyone knows that, and that is what causes political unrest. Most people is aware of the gains and losses of the events, Rio de Janeiro is transforming itself after decades of decadence, but the way things are done in all other spheres such as infraestructure, public healthcare, quality of education, taxes, corruption, government inneficiency which way more than simply inneficient organisations and allocation of public resources in those events, which is in the end a rather small fraction of the whole public expenditure a country like Brazil has. If even Spain, a bankrupted country, are constantly trying to get event such as the Olympics is because they know there are gains which can not be simply measured by expenditure and financial gains in the events, and in Brazil those gains would be much higher considering its more peripheric and obscure place in the world.
perfect! less than 5% o the protests were against the events. the events were just used to get the intl media attention. what happened in UAE is simply the oposite of what happene in Brazil, while here protesters went to street exercising the democracy in UAE the lack of it is shown by the arrest of a girl that was raped.
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That's irrelevant to award the organization of Expo.

What is important is how they can affect the recent unrest has been Brazil, which have shown remarkable social discontent with the allocation of public resources.

Are Brazilians really agree that billions of dollars are devoted to the organization of big events rather than reduce social inequalities?
btw the same kind of protests are seen in France and United Kingdom
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Old July 21st, 2013, 01:46 AM   #444
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perfect! less than 5% o the protests were against the events. the events were just used to get the intl media attention. what happened in UAE is simply the oposite of what happene in Brazil, while here protesters went to street exercising the democracy in UAE the lack of it is shown by the arrest of a girl that was raped.

Anyway, guess what they will have in mind BIE members to designate the future site of Expo 2020 is that the chosen city is in a position to guarantee the safety of the event and of course to meet deadlines.

In fact already it is questioned the appropriateness of Brazil to host the FIFA World Cup: Blatter: Brazil may be wrong World Cup choice.

Of course, in a democracy people can go out to protest. It will be important that there will not grounds for it.

On the other hand, if we measure the quality of a country democratic respect for the rights of women, unfortunately Brazil would stay in a bad place (Violence Against Women Rampant at Brazil / American Woman Gang-Raped and Beaten on Brazilian Transit Van).
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Anyway, guess what they will have in mind BIE members to designate the future site of Expo 2020 is that the chosen city is in a position to guarantee the safety of the event and of course to meet deadlines.

In fact already it is questioned the appropriateness of Brazil to host the FIFA World Cup: Blatter: Brazil may be wrong World Cup choice.

Of course, in a democracy people can go out to protest. It will be important that there will not grounds for it.

On the other hand, if we measure the quality of a country democratic respect for the rights of women, unfortunately Brazil would stay in a bad place (Violence Against Women Rampant at Brazil / American Woman Gang-Raped and Beaten on Brazilian Transit Van).
still a better choice than Spain, that keep biding for everything and lose. And I bet with you even with our problems where women would rather live between Brazil and UAE.
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BTW Ive forgot that only in Brazil we have rapes: British tourist, 31, brutally gang-raped metres from Spanish holiday apartment by 'three men including 70-year-old

Before bash someone look at your own problems: Spain second-worst in Europe for human-trafficking and forced prostitution
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Old July 21st, 2013, 02:13 AM   #447
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Talking about the situation in Spain is not relevant to this post, any Spanish city is a candidate for Expo 2020.

I just saw the BIE Facebook Page

I hope no one do the same with other candidate cities, because it would also be very unfair.

Unfortunately, cases of rape and violence occur in all countries (some more often than others). No country is free from violence.
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Old July 21st, 2013, 06:28 AM   #448
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That's irrelevant to award the organization of Expo.
Do you mind to explain why? The occurrence mentioned may lead to some legislative concerns.

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What is important is how they can affect the recent unrest has been Brazil, which have shown remarkable social discontent with the allocation of public resources.
Actually, the riots are smaller than before. Do you have some background about Brazilian culture, social problems etc? It's clear that the middle class isn't politicized enough to claim anything with efficiency, this is why the riots are smaller now.

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Are Brazilians really agree that billions of dollars are devoted to the organization of big events rather than reduce social inequalities?
Most people don't even know how smaller are the sums dedicated to the FIFA's World Cup compared to other kinds of investments from federal government. Are you really thinking that FIFA's World Cup has received more investment than the public health system or some infrastructure areas? If so, please, be more careful when reading news. I also think that's valid to say that São Paulo's proposal for Expo2020 includes re-qualification measures that benefits not only the poor, but Pirituba as a whole.

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Anyway, guess what they will have in mind BIE members to designate the future site of Expo 2020 is that the chosen city is in a position to guarantee the safety of the event and of course to meet deadlines.
If you don't know, I need to say that São Paulo receives events every day, the city isn't famous for being a tourist destination here, São Paulo breathes the word "business", being a strategic place for many companies that have money circulating in Latin America. The safety will be guaranteed.

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In fact already it is questioned the appropriateness of Brazil to host the FIFA World Cup: Blatter: Brazil may be wrong World Cup choice.

Of course, in a democracy people can go out to protest. It will be important that there will not grounds for it.
Hmm, an United Kingdom domain, maybe we have some kind of opinion that has more than Brazil's reality being considered. Very vague and sensationalist...

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On the other hand, if we measure the quality of a country democratic respect for the rights of women, unfortunately Brazil would stay in a bad place (Violence Against Women Rampant at Brazil / American Woman Gang-Raped and Beaten on Brazilian Transit Van).
Cool, another episode of rape, I guess this kind of crime also happens around the world... I can give you one guarantee here (and this argument will be enough, because this discussion is starting to be pointless): the victim will not be considered guilty. The another news, involving Belo Monte is just too much out of topic for me, sorry... we're talking about São Paulo or just of everything that's bad to try to dismiss any potential here?
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Old July 21st, 2013, 12:41 PM   #449
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perfect! less than 5% o the protests were against the events. the events were just used to get the intl media attention. what happened in UAE is simply the oposite of what happene in Brazil, while here protesters went to street exercising the democracy in UAE the lack of it is shown by the arrest of a girl that was raped.
first thing prove me that in UAE there were any protests against the government ... been living here all my life i still didn't see any .... in other hand women in UAE are treated ( less likely to be raped and abused ) and are safer in UAE then in brazil .. so stop being blindly throwing bullshit about UAE .... in other hand the purpose of the girl to be jailed was not because she was raped ... you should check the law of UAE first.
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you just were just bashing UAE with out having any clue .... then your super hypocritical to bring this sentance
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If you don't know, I need to say that São Paulo receives events every day, the city isn't famous for being a tourist destination here, São Paulo breathes the word "business", being a strategic place for many companies that have money circulating in Latin America. The safety will be guaranteed.

Exactly the same could be said of Dubai (If you do not know)

And as I said before, I think those are important factors to designate the chosen city. I've written in this post because to consider an unfortunate event is unfair and irrelevant, because misfortunes and injustices happen everywhere (some places more than others, maybe this is relevant).

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Old July 21st, 2013, 01:10 PM   #452
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Guys, I think that comparing São Paulo and Dubai is absolutely pointless.
BTW Don't forget about the high level of crime in Brazil( while Dubai is one of the safes cities in the world)
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And what about the Amazon?
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Exactly the same could be said of Dubai (If you do not know)

And as I said before, I think those are important factors to designate the chosen city. I've written in this post because to consider an unfortunate event is unfair and irrelevant, because misfortunes and injustices happen everywhere (some places more than others, maybe this is relevant).
Ok. Let's forget the laws.

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Guys, I think that comparing São Paulo and Dubai is absolutely pointless.
BTW Don't forget about the high level of crime in Brazil( while Dubai is one of the safes cities in the world)
You are correct, however, comparing Dubai with Brazil, a continental Latin American country doesn't appears to be logical. There's a big gap between São Paulo and many Brazilian cities, this should be obvious.

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And what about the Amazon?
You're talking about the Legal Amazon (Amazônia Legal)? São Paulo is very far away from this region.
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Go back to high school
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I have heard that Thailand cancelled its bid, or some one else.
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Ekaterinburg 2020 theme symposium : The Global Mind: The Future of Globalization and It's Impact On Our World



The theme symposiums of the other Candidate cities:
Sao Paulo: Power of Diversity, Harmony for Growth 19-20 September.
Izmir: New Routes for a Better World, Health for All 7-8 October.
Dubai: Connecting Minds, Creating The Future 22-24 October.
The Election of the 2020 World Expo Host City at the BIE General Assembly 26-27 November.
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Old August 4th, 2013, 09:03 AM   #459
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Dubai please
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Russia won't win because of their homophobic government. You can rule them out right now. They're already in the middle of controversy because of those laws and the upcoming Olympics in Sochi.

That leaves Turkey and Brazil. Both countries have civil unrest, though Turkey is closer to the Middle East and the troubles in Syria. Refugees are flowing across the border and the expo would make a staging ground for protests.

Pretty sure Brazil is the only option left, though Dubai could just buy them. A bit more debt won't hurt.
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