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Old October 15th, 2013, 11:17 PM   #601
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What do makes a expo isn't just about money, super talls and luxury, are people, any of them, whether white, black, yellow, Moslem, Christian or Jew, What did matter is the essence and harmony to humans so we discuss, share ideas and respecting others, and evolve we have to start from basic mutual respect, I think that Dubai still lives in the past with these laws, the only thing that stops it being a city better and more human, what do mischaracterizes one city ​​ready to receive the EXPO
It's just my opinion.
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Old October 15th, 2013, 11:24 PM   #602
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Yes, and that post is not an argument, no?
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Old October 16th, 2013, 11:59 AM   #603
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Wait, when is the date that they are going to announce the winning city? I know its in NOV
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Old October 16th, 2013, 01:14 PM   #604
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Dubai is the only one that deserves it ... and it will win easily next to those candidates hehe
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Old October 16th, 2013, 01:55 PM   #605
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My little compairison of the candidates:
Dubai has a lot of skyscapers in the midst of a desert, but almost no real urban perimeter blocks of 5-10 stories or more tall buildings. A phantom city. Beautiful skyline though.
SP has probably thousands of 20-30 story buildings, but relatively few buildings higher.
It is huge and I doubt if anything could ever chage the chaos of its internal structure. So fast growing a city was it. Certainly not a project as small and local (in compairison, of cause) as an expo.
Ekaterinburg is much smaller, it has both skyscrapers (and/or 20-30 story highrise buildings) and perimeter blocks. It is more close to a typical european-type city than Dubai or SP.
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Old October 16th, 2013, 02:20 PM   #606
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SP needs it. SP need the money and the status the Expo can bring to a city.
SP needs more than what one expo could possibly ever bring. To make real progress, it needs 20 times more money to spend. The city is just tooo big.

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Sincerely, Dubai doesnt need this as SP does.
Agreed. It doesn't it at all. The city of Dubai already has too much money, so they are just trying to find something to spend their money on.
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Old October 16th, 2013, 02:36 PM   #607
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Old October 16th, 2013, 02:46 PM   #608
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Old October 16th, 2013, 03:56 PM   #609
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My little compairison of the candidates:
Dubai has a lot of skyscapers in the midst of a desert, but almost no real urban perimeter blocks of 5-10 stories or more tall buildings. A phantom city. Beautiful skyline though.
What are you talking about? Dubai is a coastal city and there's plenty of urban density. Just depends where you look!
















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Old October 16th, 2013, 10:05 PM   #610
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There is no slavery in Dubai. Mistreatment exists just like in any other part of the world and improvements are constantly being made.

As for women's rights, women and men are treated equally.

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Old October 16th, 2013, 10:44 PM   #611
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Maybe I am a bit biased because I am Turkish, but Izmir should get this one. Turkey deserves a big event and Izmir is the right city to organize it instead of Istanbul. If Istanbul was a candidate city I am sure almost everyone would 'vote' for Istanbul. But Turkey is not just about this city, it offers more. This could be a real boost for the city of Izmir to get in the same league like city's as Barcelona concerning development etc. In this case they should look at the city who needs it instead of the richest / biggest city.
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Old October 16th, 2013, 10:52 PM   #612
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Here are the reasons Expo 2020 should be held in Dubai:

Forty years ago, Dubai was a very small city focused on basic trade. There were no roads except in a few places and people lived simple lives. Today, it has completely diversified its economy and oil contributes only two percent to the economy. Dubai isn't just about real estate and large shopping malls, but also aviation (DXB is one of the world's largest airport. Emirates is one of the world's leading airlines. Dubai Duty Free is one of the leading airport retailers in the world. Dubai World Central, when complete, will be the worlds largest airport). Dubai also has Dubai International Financial Center, which is ranked 25th in the world, and is undergoing expansion. The city is also home to Jebel Ali Port, one of the biggest ports in the world, which is also undergoing expansion, and is also home to Dubai Ports World, which operates 60 terminals around the world. Dubai Drydocks world is a shipyard which builds and repairs ships. It is the largest facility in the Middle East. In terms of ICT, Dubai has "Dubai Internet City", the Middle East's and North Africa's largest ICT hub. There is also DUBIOTECH, which is a biotechnology and research park and DSO, which is a technology park. The Dubai Diamond Exchange is one of the top three diamond centers in the world.
Since the 70s, Dubai has demonstrated over and over that it can achieve what many thought was impossible given it's limited resources. Today Dubai and the UAE in general aspire to become a knowledge based economy by 2021. In my opinion, Expo 2020 should be held in Dubai.
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Old October 18th, 2013, 06:46 PM   #613
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Right now, only a 6% of their money is from petrol. So, don't talk without knowing.
And also, a city isn't better just for being old.

Yea, but the city started its growth in the 60s and 70s from oil.... and oh, after the financial crisis, oil rich neighbour Abu Dhabi help bail out Dubai
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Old October 18th, 2013, 06:49 PM   #614
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Most persons who discredit Dubai have never visited…please don't speak from Youtube videos…and news articles by journalist who also have never visited.

And you, buddy, have visited? And even if you have visited, you've probably been to all those nice touristy glittering places? have u lived there for a significant chunk of your life?
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Old October 18th, 2013, 06:49 PM   #615
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sao Paulo? What about this?



You know what is the meaning of this? This is hypocrisy! The half of the country is starving and the goverment waste their money into building luxury buildings and football stadiums...
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Old October 18th, 2013, 06:50 PM   #616
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Sorry. I can't visit Dubai, since my passport has an Israeli visa and UAE authorities do not allow people with Israeli visa to enter their country. So no Expo 2020 in Dubai for me.
Who says you cant? if you have a non-Israeli passport you can visit dubai... in any case, come 2020, you might have to apply for a new passport haha
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Old October 18th, 2013, 06:54 PM   #617
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Dubai has excellent woman rights and there is no slavery.
I wouldnt say excellent, but it does have fairly good rights compared to Saudi Arabia or Afghanistant..

As for slavery, it has modern day slavery
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You know what is the meaning of this? This is hypocrisy! The half of the country is starving and the goverment waste their money into building luxury buildings and football stadiums...
Same can be said of Dubai and the UAE.. There are stateless people (known as Bidoon in Arabic), who were living there before the country was formed back in 1971. These people are denied UAE nationality and thus the benefits of it. They thus have social and financial difficulties and its only very recently that the UAE government has started taking some steps..

As for foreign workers, many companies usually take away their passports so that they can't run away.. and conditions in many labour camps are horrible, to say the least.. Unions are not allowed either, which means, these workers are left out on their own.. As I might have said before, there is no point aiming for new world bests, when you have among the worse human rights records..

Fine, the number of people in the UAE is not a lot, thats why you wont see sprawling slums like the picture above.. but if Brazil had fewer people, i'm sure things would be a lot better..
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Old October 18th, 2013, 08:42 PM   #619
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You know what is the meaning of this? This is hypocrisy! The half of the country is starving and the goverment waste their money into building luxury buildings and football stadiums...
The slum is actually quite large , but is undergoing a process of urbanization within is as a city has a wide range of trade , has own newspaper , a radio station itself and a very famous orchestra filarmonica and offering free courses and vocational music for children and adolescents living in community Paraisópolis. With resources of municipal, state and federal levels , totaling approximately R $ 500 million , urbanization began in 2005 and is the third phase of construction , scheduled for completion by 2013 . The project includes construction of approximately two thousand housing units ( 839 have already been delivered ) and commercial boxes , eliminating risk , channeling of streams , implementation of networks of water and sewer, paving and drainage. The community also will benefit from the implementation of the Perimeter Avenue , central sorting garbage and Ecoponto , parks , music schools , sewage lift station . Have been delivered public facilities : Ambulatory Medical Care , Basic Health Unit , Centre for Psychosocial Support and Nursery .

There's a lot still to be done, but as you can see there are already several projects and some have already started

Projects: http://www.saopaulocalling.org/proje...o-paraisopolis
Site of the slum: http://paraisopolis.org/

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The video shown does not prove anything. Just because a small group are mistreated does not mean that all or even a majority of workers are mistreated. Would I say that the UK has modern day slavery? A person could go to any nation and find mistreatment somewhere. Slavery is illegal in Dubai.

http://www.jrf.org.uk/publications/m...united-kingdom

Also, I've read an article from Khaleej Times that stated the following:

"The UAE scores 71.15 per cent on the International Human Rights Rank Indicator issued by the Switzerland-based Global Network for Rights and Development. BERN - The United Arab Emirates has emerged first among Arab countries, and 14th globally, in terms of respect for human rights, scoring 71.15 percent on the International Human Rights Rank Indicator (IHRRI) issued Thursday by the Switzerland-based Global Network for Rights and Development (GNRD). Norway came first on GNRD’s human rights indicator achieving 90.22 percent while the United States came in the 20th position due to its responsibility for human rights outside its territory, way ahead of Syria which came in the 210th position."

Below is the website that shows the rankings of every country.

http://ihrri.com/contry.php

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