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Old May 15th, 2012, 09:18 AM   #1
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Countries/cities that could host Olympic Games in future?

What countries or cities do you think have chance of hosting Olympic Games in future? What do you think are the minimal capabilities (like GDP or population size) necessary to be able to host such event?
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Old May 15th, 2012, 12:08 PM   #2
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New York, the only alpha-world city that has never hosted the Olympics!
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Old May 15th, 2012, 02:46 PM   #3
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True, but OTOH United States already hosted Olympics 4 times, more than any other coutry.

I think we should speak about countries firt, cause even when officially a city is host, its obvious whole country support is necessary.

If we look at GDP, here's the list including all the countries that hosted Olympic Games to the date, or are confirmed as future hosts with hosts of Summer Games highlighted in red, hosts of Winter Games in blue and hosts of both in purple:

Code:
1      United States         15,094,025
2      China             7,298,147n2
3      Japan             5,869,471
4      Germany         3,577,031
5      France         2,776,324
6      Brazil         2,492,908
7      United Kingdom     2,417,570
8      Italy             2,198,730
9      Russia         1,850,401
10      Canada         1,736,869
11      India             1,676,143
12      Spain             1,493,513
13      Australia         1,488,221
14      Mexico         1,154,784
15      South Korea         1,116,247
16      Indonesia         845,680
17      Netherlands         840,433
18      Turkey         778,089
19      Switzerland         636,059
20      Saudi Arabia         577,595
21      Sweden         538,237
22      Poland         513,821
23      Belgium         513,396
24      Norway         483,650
25      Iran             482,445
26      Taiwan         466,832
27      Argentina         447,644
28      Austria         419,243
29      South Africa         408,074
30      United Arab Emirates     360,136
31      Thailand         345,649
32      Denmark         333,238
33      Colombia         328,422
34      Venezuela         315,841
35      Greece         303,065
36      Malaysia         278,680
37      Finland         266,553
--      Yugoslavia
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Looking from the top down, India (Mumbai? Delhi?) looks like obvious candidate from among countries that never hosted the games before.

Turkey (Istanbul) also has been bidding to host for some time.

Switzerland (Zurich? Bern? Geneve?) didn't host summer games yet, but I guess with their small size they will be satisfied with Winter Games only.

I don't know about Indonesia (Jakarta), but guess they are not economically ready yet.

Saudi Arabia (Riyadh?) doesn't look likely to bid for obvious cultural reasons (Islam can be a problem for Indonesia's bid too, also they don't recognize Israel).

Next is Poland (Warsaw). Maybe after co-hosting EURO they will try something more?

Iran and Taiwan are onother ones currently out of question.

Argentina (Buenos Aires) and South Africa (Johannesburg? Cape Town? Durban?) seem to me last countries from the list that would be capable to host such event in near future, but both must sort many of their problems before.

It should be noted that European countries down the list (Netherlands, Belgium, Sweden and Finland) all hosted the games either before World War 2, when Europe's position in the world was much higher, or in case of Finland, soon after war, when much of the rest of developed world was still rebuilding. Therefore I think they have small chance of repeating this role in future (maybe except Netherlands).
Greece is another exception, as they hosted first event in 1896 and were given 2004 games to commemorate that. But it proved big burden to them and one of the cases of their current economic problems.

As for Winter Games, China may bid in the future with some city from Manchuria. Its also strange that Sweden hasn't hosted any yet, with them being Scandinavian country. There was some talk in Poland about Krakow bidding for winter games too. Since Winter Games require less investment than summer ones, I would cross out some smaller countries like Finland, Romania or Czech Republic too.
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Old May 15th, 2012, 03:10 PM   #4
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How Atlanta hosted the 96 Olympics still baffles me to this day. New York won't probably host the Olympics anywhere in the near future.

I'm thinking India or the Middle East might be a good candidate in the near future. I don't see South America (after Rio) or Australia being candidates as well.
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Old May 15th, 2012, 03:32 PM   #5
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How Atlanta hosted the 96 Olympics still baffles me to this day. New York won't probably host the Olympics anywhere in the near future.

I'm thinking India or the Middle East might be a good candidate in the near future. I don't see South America (after Rio) or Australia being candidates as well.


Why? If the public is behind it, the Atlanta governing body is behind it, and corporate Atlanta is behind it (Coca Cola, CNN, Bank of America, Home Depot ect) than it should not be a surprize! To host the Games, strong support from the public and private sectors are crucial together with that of the people living in the area. One of these links missing, then forget about hosting the Olympic Games!

Now, Atlanta has not hosted the best Olympic Games in history, but the city sure has benefited from the Games and has launched itself officially on the World stage. The legacy of the Games on Atlanta is achieved and the city is still profiting from it to this day.

As for New York, I feel New York does not give its best effort by the means that is has to launch a good competitive bid. I feel that New York City is already established, a World city, and the city feels like it does need the Games to prove or showcase itself.

South America has a good chance with Buenos Aires in the future, or even Santiago (Chile).
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Old May 15th, 2012, 03:41 PM   #6
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Old May 15th, 2012, 07:08 PM   #7
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I think Istanbul get the 2020 Olympic Games
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Old May 15th, 2012, 08:47 PM   #8
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Istanbul or Zurich would make interesting chioces

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True, but OTOH United States already hosted Olympics 4 times, more than any other coutry.

I think we should speak about countries firt, cause even when officially a city is host, its obvious whole country support is necessary.

If we look at GDP, here's the list including all the countries that hosted Olympic Games to the date, or are confirmed as future hosts with hosts of Summer Games highlighted in red, hosts of Winter Games in blue and hosts of both in purple:

Code:
1      United States         15,094,025
2      China             7,298,147n2
3      Japan             5,869,471
4      Germany         3,577,031
5      France         2,776,324
6      Brazil         2,492,908
7      United Kingdom     2,417,570
8      Italy             2,198,730
9      Russia         1,850,401
10      Canada         1,736,869
11      India             1,676,143
12      Spain             1,493,513
13      Australia         1,488,221
14      Mexico         1,154,784
15      South Korea         1,116,247
16      Indonesia         845,680
17      Netherlands         840,433
18      Turkey         778,089
19      Switzerland         636,059
20      Saudi Arabia         577,595
21      Sweden         538,237
22      Poland         513,821
23      Belgium         513,396
24      Norway         483,650
25      Iran             482,445
26      Taiwan         466,832
27      Argentina         447,644
28      Austria         419,243
29      South Africa         408,074
30      United Arab Emirates     360,136
31      Thailand         345,649
32      Denmark         333,238
33      Colombia         328,422
34      Venezuela         315,841
35      Greece         303,065
36      Malaysia         278,680
37      Finland         266,553
--      Yugoslavia
Regardig Summer Games:

Looking from the top down, India (Mumbai? Delhi?) looks like obvious candidate from among countries that never hosted the games before.

Turkey (Istanbul) also has been bidding to host for some time.

Switzerland (Zurich? Bern? Geneve?) didn't host summer games yet, but I guess with their small size they will be satisfied with Winter Games only.

I don't know about Indonesia (Jakarta), but guess they are not economically ready yet.

Saudi Arabia (Riyadh?) doesn't look likely to bid for obvious cultural reasons (Islam can be a problem for Indonesia's bid too, also they don't recognize Israel).

Next is Poland (Warsaw). Maybe after co-hosting EURO they will try something more?

Iran and Taiwan are onother ones currently out of question.

Argentina (Buenos Aires) and South Africa (Johannesburg? Cape Town? Durban?) seem to me last countries from the list that would be capable to host such event in near future, but both must sort many of their problems before.

It should be noted that European countries down the list (Netherlands, Belgium, Sweden and Finland) all hosted the games either before World War 2, when Europe's position in the world was much higher, or in case of Finland, soon after war, when much of the rest of developed world was still rebuilding. Therefore I think they have small chance of repeating this role in future (maybe except Netherlands).
Greece is another exception, as they hosted first event in 1896 and were given 2004 games to commemorate that. But it proved big burden to them and one of the cases of their current economic problems.

As for Winter Games, China may bid in the future with some city from Manchuria. Its also strange that Sweden hasn't hosted any yet, with them being Scandinavian country. There was some talk in Poland about Krakow bidding for winter games too. Since Winter Games require less investment than summer ones, I would cross out some smaller countries like Finland, Romania or Czech Republic too.
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Old May 15th, 2012, 08:53 PM   #9
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in the next few years, likely candidates - Delhi, Istanbul, Mexico City (second time round), Dubai, St Petersburg, Singapore, Kuala Lumpur, Guangzhou, NYC, Shanghai, Toronto, Cape Town/ Johannesburg, Melbourne, Warsaw, Berlin (second time round), Madrid.
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in the next few years, likely candidates - Delhi, Istanbul, Mexico City (second time round), Dubai, St Petersburg, Singapore, Kuala Lumpur, Guangzhou, NYC, Shanghai, Toronto, Cape Town/ Johannesburg, Melbourne, Warsaw, Berlin (second time round), Madrid.
Delhi is a logical choice, but the commenwealth games didnt go as smoothly as they maybe shoud have. Or atleast that was the perception I got from the media.

Toronto is hosting the pan-am games soon and could be an interesting choice for the Olympics, but it would seem to make more sense to give the games to a country like India or Turkey that has never held them. Or an African games in Cape Town. As far as I know the games have never been to Africa yet.
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I agree, Africa, especially Cape Town' Jo'burg will be very likely candidates in the next few Olympics, considering the country has already hosted a larger event (the World Cup, the globe's largest sport and media event) and the Olympic rings are meant to symbolise one from every continent. Africa has noticeably been missing all that time, and especially now that South America has been ticked off with Rio 2016.
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Old May 16th, 2012, 02:53 AM   #12
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New York, the only alpha-world city that has never hosted the Olympics!
I count 33 alpha cities that haven't ever hosted the Olympics.

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How Atlanta hosted the 96 Olympics still baffles me to this day.
The IOC probe revealed that Atlanta bribed their way to a winning bid. Pay offs were widespread.
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Old May 16th, 2012, 03:03 AM   #13
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Istanbul
Mumbai
Jakarta
Buenos Aires
Johannesburg
Toronto
New York
Warsaw
Kuala Lumpur
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I count 33 alpha cities that haven't ever hosted the Olympics.



The IOC probe revealed that Atlanta bribed their way to a winning bid. Pay offs were widespread.
You might want to include Sydney and Salt Lake City in the bribery department, and those are just the ones that have been publicized. I'm pretty sure that the IOC has been receiving gifts and selling votes for years.

"He said there were cash-for-votes abuses during the bidding processes for the 1996 summer games won by Atlanta, the Sydney 2000 Olympics and the Salt Lake City's 2002 bid."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/261152.stm

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Why? If the public is behind it, the Atlanta governing body is behind it, and corporate Atlanta is behind it (Coca Cola, CNN, Bank of America, Home Depot ect) than it should not be a surprize! To host the Games, strong support from the public and private sectors are crucial together with that of the people living in the area. One of these links missing, then forget about hosting the Olympic Games!

Now, Atlanta has not hosted the best Olympic Games in history, but the city sure has benefited from the Games and has launched itself officially on the World stage. The legacy of the Games on Atlanta is achieved and the city is still profiting from it to this day.

As for New York, I feel New York does not give its best effort by the means that is has to launch a good competitive bid. I feel that New York City is already established, a World city, and the city feels like it does need the Games to prove or showcase itself.

South America has a good chance with Buenos Aires in the future, or even Santiago (Chile).
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I think Boston would be a good 2028 host.
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You might want to include Sydney and Salt Lake City in the bribery department, and those are just the ones that have been publicized. I'm pretty sure that the IOC has been receiving gifts and selling votes for years.

"He said there were cash-for-votes abuses during the bidding processes for the 1996 summer games won by Atlanta, the Sydney 2000 Olympics and the Salt Lake City's 2002 bid."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/261152.stm
3 wrongs don't make a right. The fact remains that Atlanta bought the right to host.
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There's also Chicago, despite the IOC booting us out far, far too early for 2016. The fifth most economically powerful city in the world, well developed infrastructure, and we could use the international exposure far more than New York.

As for first time host countries, if they could get the infrastructure up to par, India (Mumbai or Delhi) would be a fascinating Olympics. (Although would the timing have to be adjusted due to the torrid heat and monsoon season later in summer?) Istanbul should get the Games soon, but I don't see the likes of Manila or Jakarta being ready for some time to come.
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Can never see a Johanesburg Games. If South Africa does follow through with a 2024 bid it will be Durban or Cape Town bidding for the country. and going on the way the government and cities are positioning themselves it will be more likely Durban than Cape Town that the government puts forward.
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3 wrongs don't make a right. The fact remains that Atlanta bought the right to host.
I have heard of this before, do you have proof of this, how much was the price tag to buy the Games? If so, it makes you wonder if the Games were not bought buy previous hosting cities.
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