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Old May 18th, 2012, 04:44 AM   #21
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In Oslo - "city without avenues", Ring 1 looks like this:

Map (the red, innermost halfcirkle or "square")



2 lanes above ground, and 2 lanes underground through narrow streets, Vaterland tunnel:



Hammersborg tunnel, all lanes underground:



Nyland bridge, crossing Oslo central station:
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Old May 18th, 2012, 04:41 PM   #22
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Inner ring road of Leuven, Belgium:


http://faber.kuleuven.be/topsportabc...cht-leuven.jpg

This guy drives a part of it from 1:15 to 4:20

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Old May 18th, 2012, 05:03 PM   #23
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Antwerp, Belgium. 3 ringroads are present.

In the city center 3 big lanes, Amerikalei,Frankrijklei and Italiëlei make up a half ring. R1 is a full motorway ringroad and the busiest in Belgium and R11 is the most outer ring road that is a 2X2 avenue but needs an upgrade to full motorway badly.

Here you can see the avenues in the center and the R1 motorway.



R1 scheme:

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R1 looks like this every day:


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Another ones for the UK...

Middlesbrough

A large town, with a very big expressway ring road, although it only runs round one side. Also features a very big interchange on the western side. Its not a motorway but the far eastern end of the A66, built in the early 1970s...

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Old May 19th, 2012, 10:36 PM   #26
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It has one, it`s called the North Circular Road (A102) and the South Circular Road (A202)

Have they changed road numbers recently? As far as I know and remember (I drove along these roads many times) North Circular = A406, South Circular = A205. A102 and A202 are different roads.
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Did they changed road numbers recently? As far as I know and remember (I drove along these roads many times) North Circular = A406, South Circular = A205. A102 and A202 are different roads.
They have not changed there numbers. A102 is blackwall tunnel (used to be A102(M) ). A202 is part of the actual inner ring road (Park Lane), not the North Circular which is the 2nd Ring.
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Old May 19th, 2012, 10:57 PM   #28
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Did they changed road numbers recently? As far as I know and remember (I drove along these roads many times) North Circular = A406, South Circular = A205. A102 and A202 are different roads.
I´m sorry, yes you are right. I´m on it all the time, don´t know why and how I came up with these numbers...
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Old May 19th, 2012, 11:30 PM   #29
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The Amsterdam ringroads:

* in yellow the s100 inner ring. 1x2 lanes, traffic lights at every street corner.
* in red the A10 motorway ring. mostly 2x3 lanes; the part still 2x2 lanes near the Coentunnel is being upgraded yet.
* in blue the outer ring, composed of A1, A9 and A5. The A5 will partially be opened this year, and will next year be in full service.

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Old September 5th, 2013, 09:26 PM   #30
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The Coventry Ring Road is simply brilliant, many people really dislike it because it can be quite intimidating with the short merges, but it does a fantastic job of keeping traffic out of the city centre, and is rarely jammed up, even during rush hour. The main problems on it are the clockwise exits to J4 and J7 which can often queue back onto the main carriageway at peak times. It's a fantastic piece of road engineering and should be far more celebrated than it is!
Coventry ring road has been a disaster for the city centre. Probably the main reason why the place is so dead and ugly.

Some lovely 'settings' for medieval buildings:

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What a dump:

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And if you're one of the few pedestrians using the subways, it's great! If you want to be a rat in an experiment, that is.

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No one can do anything with this land, so it's just car parks. Lovely!

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Survived the reformation, survived the blitz, but not the engineers who created the ring road:

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(This building has been empty for decades, and it's stuck in such a terrible location I'd struggle to see what could be done with it.)

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I'm not against ring roads - humans have always created routes to get around congested areas - but the ring road in Coventry has been so damaging it's created this strange city that's got a large 'band' of emptiness in it.
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Old September 6th, 2013, 02:15 AM   #31
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No, I'm not going to defend it's architectural merits or what it's done to certain areas of the city, because I agree, if we were to discuss it in terms of limiting the city centre's development and growth, then yes it isn't ideal. Greyfriars is a real shame, but then the city centre would be too if it were clogged with cars. There always needs to be a compromise.

When you consider what it was fundamentally built to do - i.e. keep traffic out of the city centre, it is magnificent. There isn't a single traffic jam within its boundaries as about 95% of the traffic is either buses or taxis. Everyone else circles around, driving through, or finding a parking spot to then walk in. I've yet to see another city that is so easy to drive into, park up, and then be within walking distance of everything the centre has to offer - shops, tourist attractions, the university, etc.

In an ideal world it should have gone underground, but it hasn't so Coventry needs to make the most of its opportunities with it there instead of sitting on hands and just moaning about it. I spent three great years in that city, the subways were fine, and I never had any problems with the ring road. I suspect there's a fair bit of support for smashing the whole thing to bits but that will cause chaos, I can guarantee it. I don't suppose you saw the traffic when they shut one side of the ring road for the Godiva return did you? That's a small portal to what would happen, even if a small part of it was to be taken out of action. Spruce it up a bit with some new cladding, a new lick of paint, some nice new signage and turn it into a bit of public art - invite local schools, community groups, etc to decorate sections of it and it would soon look a damn sight better than it does currently.
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It wasn't 'built to keep traffic out of the city centre', it was built as a distributor to make getting in and out of the city centre easier and also provide routes around the city centre. I.E. you could get from point A in the city centre to B in the suburbs by using the ring road.

I recently read a report on the planning portal for the city that highlighted how very few journeys on the ringroad begin or end inside the ring road. Hence it's not being used to access the city centre, but mainly to get around it.

People do not park around it and walk in - the streets between the ring road and the shopping precinct have no footfall and businesses struggle to survive on them. The large car parks around the ring road are generally there to serve single use facilities (IKEA, Skydome) and most people park in the precinct car parks. Ironically, before they built it people did use roads to get into the city centre and streets that are not empty were filled with businesses (The council closed them all down and demolished most of the streets.)

If you look around on the Internet there's very interesting paper that does some spatial analysis on Coventry over the years during the ring road's construction and the almost total change in how the city centre is 'used' is startling - this same period is also linked to a decline in the city centre. As for traffic in the city centre? Coventry has poor retail, very few city centre office workers and hardly no city centre residents. This is why it's traffic free.

A lick of paint and decoration will never make it look good, or even help with the large areas of land that are empty.

It's been a complete disaster for a city centre that's been slowly abandoned over the years - and there's evidence for this.
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One other thing - about 20 years ago, the council closed down virtually every road inside the ring road for cars. Pretty much the only place you could get to was a few car parks around the shopping precinct. It was a total disaster and businesses on streets like Corporation Street suffered (Now that whole street is empty as all the offices have gone makes it even worse.) Restaurant owners complained that they had no footfall, no customer parking nearby, etc and have always struggled in the 'dead' area between the ring road and precinct (There's no footfall outside the precinct, and no cars as well as the roads don't go anywhere.)

Last year they reopened virtually all the roads in the city to cars again and added a lot of parking on the streets. So in recent years they have gone from forcing cars out of the city centre to actually trying to encourage people to drive in again to streets that were formerly only for buses.
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Though they are not officially motorways, they are grade-separated dual carriageway roads restricted to motor traffic. The Eastern part (Ronda Litoral) runs very close to the historic city center, though it's beautifully integrated as it was built as part of an urban renewal scheme (it was an industrial wasteland) that included a new leisure harbor, residential facilities for the 1992 Olympics and new parks and promenades. I don't know many other cases where a motorway has helped so much to recover an urban landscape and boost real estate prices.

Before the expressways were built, there was a more inner ringroad that had some tunnels and flyovers, but a lot of at-grade intersections. Nowadays partially grade-separated interchanges are at-grade junctions and most of the surface-level part has been relandscaped and reorganized. Plus, some tunnels have been built, most notably the 2-kilometer long Túnel de Badal. In the 1970s there was a plan to bring some motorways to as deep as this first ringroad, but it was scrapped and motorways stop at B-20.



Some of the junctions, before:



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(There's an expressway going under that roundabout).
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It wasn't 'built to keep traffic out of the city centre', it was built as a distributor to make getting in and out of the city centre easier and also provide routes around the city centre. I.E. you could get from point A in the city centre to B in the suburbs by using the ring road.
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I recently read a report on the planning portal for the city that highlighted how very few journeys on the ringroad begin or end inside the ring road. Hence it's not being used to access the city centre, but mainly to get around it.
Compare this to your first point. You're contradicting yourself. The reason it was built was to stop through traffic from passing through the centre. It connects with every major radial route out of the city and as such any journey around the city will almost certainly involve some section of the ring road, diverting it away from those few square miles that make up the city centre.

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People do not park around it and walk in - the streets between the ring road and the shopping precinct have no footfall and businesses struggle to survive on them. The large car parks around the ring road are generally there to serve single use facilities (IKEA, Skydome) and most people park in the precinct car parks.
You're missing a fundamental aspect of why Coventry is in the state it is in. The city will never attract a significant retail quarter because of it's proximity to Birmingham. You can get a Ł3 train ticket straight to New Street and the Bull Ring, thus rendering any attempts by Coventry to compete at that level useless. Ring road or not, it wouldn't make the slightest bit of difference to the performance of Coventry city centre, and in fact might actually make it worse because the traffic situation would be so much more inferior.

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Ironically, before they built it people did use roads to get into the city centre and streets that are not empty were filled with businesses (The council closed them all down and demolished most of the streets.)
Wait a second, you're talking about pre-ring road construction? So by extension referencing a period that at its most recent would be about 1970? I'm afraid you simply cannot compare the retail landscape of 1960s Britain with that of today and argue that any decline in Coventry is due to the construction of the ring road. Far more important aspects would be increased commercialisation, globalisation, and consolidation, the decline of numerous local shops to be replaced by fewer aggregated national chains. To say that the ring road was responsible for businesses dying out in Coventry would be a gross simplification bordering on ignorance. The main retail precinct in the centre was largely complete by the 1960s, thus pre-dating the ring road, so the infrastructure was already in place to accept re-located businesses forced out by the ring road construction.

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If you look around on the Internet there's very interesting paper...
If it's that interesting, why don't you reference it? Where can I find this paper? I'm massively interested in urban planning so aside from this debate I'm sure I'd like to read it in its own right!

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One other thing - about 20 years ago, the council closed down virtually every road inside the ring road for cars. Pretty much the only place you could get to was a few car parks around the shopping precinct. It was a total disaster and businesses on streets like Corporation Street suffered (Now that whole street is empty as all the offices have gone makes it even worse.) Restaurant owners complained that they had no footfall, no customer parking nearby, etc and have always struggled in the 'dead' area between the ring road and precinct (There's no footfall outside the precinct, and no cars as well as the roads don't go anywhere.)

Last year they reopened virtually all the roads in the city to cars again and added a lot of parking on the streets. So in recent years they have gone from forcing cars out of the city centre to actually trying to encourage people to drive in again to streets that were formerly only for buses.
But that's not true is it? City-wide 20mph limit, "shared space" disasters at previously important junctions and the removal of the vast majority of road furniture such as traffic lights etc has all transpired to try and discourage even more traffic from entering the centre. The council want you to drive to either Ikea, the Lower Precinct, West Orchards or one of the car parks under the ring road, and then walk to the shops. And funnily enough, that is what people do. I know it might seem hard to believe, but that is what happens. How else are people supposed to get into the city and park up?
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Ok, I'll talk about ringroads in Spain. Excuse my bad drawing, I used Paint this time, and I'm not a master with the mouse...

To start, we have my city (pretty small one):



Then, my provincial capital city:

This is the inner ringroad, four-laned, unseparated and with mostly roundabout intersections. Its former number was CR-752, now being numbered as shown below. The names of the sections are given accordingly to the exits they will find counterclockwise (this is the remnant of when there was a city wall in what it is now the ringroad, and exits were gates, so some exits may be impractical now).


There are plans for a second ring-road (CR-20?), and a south-east motorway bypass exists, which is planned to be continuated as an east bypass (A-41/AP-41).
Miguelturra has a complete ringroad from 2011/12, I think (A-41/A-43/CM-4173/CM-45):



Now, moving to Guadalajara, we have four bypasses (N-II now bypassed by A-2, R-2 and CM-10, and old C-102/N-320/CM-9100/present CM-1007 bypassed by new N-320), making a ringroad with two north alternatives (one free, but only a real motorway in its northern part [river to A-2], and one tolled).
By the way, CM-101, which in fact is a former local road (GU-124) now used to bring former Guadalajara-Pamplona-France(Dantxarinea)/C-101/present CM-1003 nearer to the centre, can be bypassed with new CM-1008 Azuqueca-Fontanar:


And, finally, the best part of my post, the Madrid ringroads. As I am expected to talk about the inner ringroad, here it is, M-10 (black, with red future cyclist extension) together with M-20 (blue) (not official designations), in yellow there are the historical radial roads (N-I to N-VI, and N-401):


But you know that Madrid loves ringroads, so apart from 'historical' ones, then M-30, M-40 (the only complete ringroad of Madrid), M-45 and M-50 arrived. And now there are plans for a M-55 (regional) and a M-60 (national).
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In my oppinion that Barcelona thing was something really stupid and nonsense to do. A lot of commies and greens there I guess, like in Helsinki, where they want to do the same on roads with 80 000 cars per day.
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In my oppinion that Barcelona thing was something really stupid and nonsense to do. A lot of commies and greens there I guess, like in Helsinki, where they want to do the same on roads with 80 000 cars per day.
You mean removing the big interchanges? It wasn't such a big deal from a traffic congestion point of view, since most traffic bypasses the city center via Rondes. Plus, it has helped so much to recover that parts of the city, especially Plaça Cerdŕ. Everything looks so much better now. It was a big wasteland before.

Barcelona can't be blamed for abusing of anti-car traffic measures. It has an expressway running right through the historic city center, and it's nicely integrated. They could've built more tunnels in the inner city ring, but money is not infinite.
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Hungary - Budapest - Hungária körgyűrű lit. Hungaria boulevard is the longest and busiest road, also the widest city street in Budapest. It's 13,4 km long and has 6-10 traffic lanes with a rapid tram line 1 on the median of the boulevard. It consists of three parts: Róbert Károly(Named after Hungarian king) boulevard on the north, Hungária boulevard on the east and Könyves Kálmán(Named after Hungarian king) boulevard on the south.
The idea of building this ring road for the first time, came up in 1871 and was planned to built it around the current borders of the city in semi circle! Two world wars impeded the development.
Currently the full lenght reconstruction of the tram line 1 and the extension toward Buda side on the south is underway!





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Weekend trafic on Könyves Kálmán boulevard near the city park!

Rain showers @ the tram stop somewhere on the boulevard!


Police helicopter moving toward west then back to east above northern part of Róbert Károly boulevard! Camera watching the trafic with the reconstruction works progress of the tram tracks!
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