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Old October 25th, 2013, 02:19 PM   #41
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Old October 26th, 2013, 06:02 AM   #42
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Old October 27th, 2013, 04:43 AM   #43
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Detroit

Believe it or not Detroit, MI, has an inner ring road around the downtown, although it's more of a connection of freeways.



Overwiew of Freeways, I-75 lies to the northwest, connecting to I-375(Chrysler Freeway), which connects to Jefferson avenue, which lies between The Downtown and the Waterfront. Jefferson goes underneath COBO Hall, and the connects to The Lodge Freeway.



I-75 runs northwest of the Downtown, separating it from the rest of Detroit, The road runs in a trench at this point.



I-375(Chrysler Freeway) runs in a trench for it's entirety connecting I-75 to Jefferson Avenue.



Jefferson avenue, separates the Downtown from the riverfront, runs at street level unlike the surrounding Highways.



Lastly, The Lodge Freeway begins at the end of Jefferson, and runs under COBO Hall, and travels north in a trench before it connects back to I-75.
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Old October 27th, 2013, 11:33 AM   #44
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Old October 27th, 2013, 12:50 PM   #45
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Bucharest Ring-Road

Red-marked street (Centura Bucuresti / DNCB) is the main ring-road of Bucharest with exits to 3 motorways (A1, A2, A3) and it's build 1x2 in South an partially 2x2 in North. It's overcrowded most of the time, and this is the reason why drivers, especially the ones who know the city, prefers to cross the city using the yellow-marked national streets on the map because it's faster.

Blue and green-marked streets are parts of inner-circles with different standards, from 1x2 to 2x3, also overcrowded at rush hour because of the lack of a motorway standard bypass. They should be completed soon because the traffic in Bucharest is awful. 1-hour trip for 5-10km isn't uncommon.

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Old October 27th, 2013, 08:10 PM   #46
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Its not really and inner ring, in the big ringways plan it was the second ring. the first ring was only built in part

I did this to show...The blue line is what is current designated as the inner ring road, but its not a purpose built road, just a signposted route and of varing standards. Some of it is pretty big dual 3 roads but some is just single 2 land road.

The red line is what was actually built of the original inner ring road but got cancelled, it was built to motorway standards, but is only classed now as an A road...

I don't understand why a so big metropolis like London (the biggest in Europe with almost 1600 square kilometers and more than 8 million people) doesn't invest to devolop urban motorways. Others british cities (Manchester, Birmingham, Glasgow...), smaller by far than the capital, have much better urban motorway networks. London lacks of one or more full inner ring motorway and, mostly, of a crossing motorway through the city.
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Old October 27th, 2013, 08:15 PM   #47
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Well, there are parts of it. The North Circular is a three-lane expressway for a great part. And the A1, M1, A40, M4, M3, A20 and A2 as well as the M11 and A12 all run pretty deep into London.
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Old October 27th, 2013, 08:21 PM   #48
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I don't understand why a so big metropolis like London (the biggest in Europe with almost 1600 square kilometers and more than 8 million people)...
Moscow will not agree.
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Old October 27th, 2013, 08:30 PM   #49
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Moscow will not agree.
? Is Moscow City Council in charge of London's infrastructure?
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Old October 27th, 2013, 11:12 PM   #50
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No, it's an European metropolis bigger than London.
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Old October 30th, 2013, 06:40 PM   #51
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London lacks of one or more full inner ring motorway and, mostly, of a crossing motorway through the city.
That would destroy it, just like all those American cities.
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Old October 30th, 2013, 11:11 PM   #52
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Barcelona does not agree.
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Old October 30th, 2013, 11:31 PM   #53
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Ronda Litoral is more like under the city (centre).
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Old October 31st, 2013, 09:30 PM   #54
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Ronda Litoral is more like under the city (centre).
It's only partially underground. About 50% of the stretch running closest to the city center is not tunneled. And it fits nicely. It actually helped to turn an industrial wasteland into a very pleasant neighborhood.

I think, though, that nobody denies that a motorway running through a city must be fully or partly underground. You can't just cut a city in half. A55/A50 in Marseille is a good example, a viaduct in the harbor and tunnels under the nice bits tourists love, yet junctions here and there to allow access of all the key parts of the city. Madrid's M-30 (the southern part) it's another example of a freeway running through a city, but with little affectation to the urban landscape.
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Old October 31st, 2013, 09:43 PM   #55
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Modern motorway are generally build on underground.
This is the M30 (the inner ring Motorway) of Madrid.

The marked section has been reconstructed and now is on underground.


The madrid Rio Park over the M30 motorway






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Anyway I like the "spaghetti juctions" of the american cities
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Old November 3rd, 2013, 07:21 PM   #56
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I don't understand why a so big metropolis like London (the biggest in Europe with almost 1600 square kilometers and more than 8 million people) doesn't invest to devolop urban motorways. Others british cities (Manchester, Birmingham, Glasgow...), smaller by far than the capital, have much better urban motorway networks. London lacks of one or more full inner ring motorway and, mostly, of a crossing motorway through the city.
Because, like in Helsinki, London has an influential far-left/green political fraction.
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Old November 3rd, 2013, 07:43 PM   #57
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I think the reasons for it in London are a bit pre-Green politics, more because of historical buildings and such. Similar elsewhere, like Edinburgh.
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Old November 5th, 2013, 10:33 AM   #58
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I made a little map of my city of Breda, the Netherlands:

https://mapsengine.google.com/map/ed...4.kGnMDCqdLGew

The city is surrounded by four motorways, A16/A27/A58/A59.

The city road network looks a bit like a spider web:
- In blue, there is the inner city ring. Missing a link in the southwest corner, where you have to navigate through 30 km/h residential streets. All of this ring is 1x1 lane and there are lots of traffic lights.
examples: 1, 2.

- In black, there are some arteries connecting the inner city to the rest of the city. Mostly 1x1, 2x2 in some places. Speed limit is generally 50 km/h with an odd 70 km/h stretch here and there.
example: 1.


- Green and purple form the connections to the A16 and A27 motorway. Green is 2x2 lanes, 70 km/h and a couple of traffic lights. Example: 1.

Purple used to be an important east-west connection before the A58 south of the city was built. Nowadays the parts nearest to the motorway are 2x2, 70km/h while the middle part is 1x1, 50 km/h. Example: 1.

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Old November 7th, 2013, 05:08 AM   #59
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That would destroy it, just like all those American cities.
I could not agree more, the "highways in a trench" put in Detroit and surrounding area's completely decimated neighborhoods, and broke apart completely functional parts of the cities. They actually demolished two entire neighborhoods to build the downtown sections of I-75, an I-375. which ended up backfiring on them when the displaced people started the riot in the 60s.
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Old November 8th, 2013, 12:58 AM   #60
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