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Old January 3rd, 2015, 11:57 PM   #3481
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São Paulo Bus System

I hear it's one of the largest in the world and the numbers are impressive, carrying more people than the Subway/Train systems combined:



--- 8.1 million passengers/daily

--- 14,800 buses

--- 1,286 bus lines
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Old January 8th, 2015, 07:30 PM   #3482
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Line 4 - Oscar Freire station progress update. The station may open by the end of the year.

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Old January 8th, 2015, 08:26 PM   #3483
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No money for line 2 between Vila Prudente and Dutra? Nor for line 15 betond Oratório?
As for line 2 beyond Vila Prudente, I believe this will only be provisioned next year or further on. Line 15 already had funding in previous budgets.
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Old January 19th, 2015, 10:30 PM   #3484
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A big city like São Paulo cannot rely on buses for public transportation.

Subways, trams, trains and now monorails should carry the bulk of passengers.

When I lived in São Paulo, I would only consider the latter as decent transportation options.

Else, I just drove around.

Then, I never had to travel from the Eastern suburbs into central areas either (lines 3, 11 and 12).

If I had to, I couldn't cope with the overcrowding.

It is far worse than in London.

Trains are quite new and stations are clean though.
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Old January 20th, 2015, 05:05 PM   #3485
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I go to work by bus. I have no complains at all. Extremely fast and confortable.
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Old January 20th, 2015, 05:32 PM   #3486
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I go to work by bus. I have no complains at all. Extremely fast and confortable.
Do buses in São Paulo now have air-conditioning?
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Old January 20th, 2015, 06:09 PM   #3487
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Do buses in São Paulo now have air-conditioning?
No, but I jump in in front of my apartment and off in front of my work. 15 minutes only, exclusive lane.

I was also biased against buses when I moved to São Paulo. Now I have to admit it's quite decent system, very friendly and comprehensive.
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Old January 20th, 2015, 06:30 PM   #3488
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No, but I jump in in front of my apartment and off in front of my work. 15 minutes only, exclusive lane.

I was also biased against buses when I moved to São Paulo. Now I have to admit it's quite decent system, very friendly and comprehensive.
Okay.

During the time I lived in São Paulo, I became quickly fed up with buses and spending a lot by paying taxis especially at nigh, and started driving to my university when became a legal adult and got driver's license.

It was expensive, and it took long time, but avoided the problems with buses.

Then I got a job and a new flat that allowed me to use the subway to and from work (lines 1 and 2).

Sometimes I had to wait two trains but line 1 was manageable on peak.

I read it got worse now.

Then, I changed jobs, new workplace was on the metro outskirsts (Barueri). That required driving, but it was mostly on the opposite direction of peak flows.

After 4 years as student and 3 as worker I finally moved to London.

Buses here are still vastly inferior to the tube.

I got same perception from my trips to places like New York, Berlin, Amsterdam, Barcelona and else: buses are inferior by desing.

If you want some surface transportation mixed with ground level, use trams.

Trams are inferior to heavy rail, but better than buses. And more comfortable.
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Old January 20th, 2015, 06:44 PM   #3489
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Buses in São Paulo have a very low floor. It might sound silly, but it makes you feel way more confortable, giving this subway/tram vibe you are talking about.
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Old January 21st, 2015, 02:13 AM   #3490
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Line 5 update - Santa Cruz and Moema stations

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Old January 23rd, 2015, 05:08 AM   #3491
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I took this video of the São Paulo Monorail yesterday. I love the Bombardier Innovia monorail trains!
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Old January 23rd, 2015, 08:23 PM   #3492
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Old January 23rd, 2015, 08:47 PM   #3493
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I find these last two videos so similar...
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Old January 23rd, 2015, 09:52 PM   #3494
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Old January 24th, 2015, 03:19 AM   #3495
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Metrô and CPTM (commuter rail) passengers grew 3 times more than the network extensions

The number of Metrô passengers increased these last four years, while the network was expanded just by 5.5% (from 74.3km in 2011 to 78.4km in 2014), the passengers grew 14.5% (from 1.1 billion in 2011 to 1.3 billion in 2014). The Metrô saw four new stations open between 2011 and 2014.

In the case of commuter trains (CPTM) the difference is even bigger. While in 2011 700 million passengers travelled on the commuter train lines, in 2014 the increase was of 18.8%, reaching 832 million passengers, while the network was extended just by 2.5% (reaching 260km) and saw three new stations open.

Stations

Even though it has lost some of its passengers, Sé station remains the busiest station in Sâo Paulo. Last year it saw an average of "only" 537,000 passengers per day, while two years ago it saw 545,000 passengers per day.

The second busiest is Palmeiras-Barra Funda station, with around 220,000 passengers per day, 10,000 more than in 2013.

The third busiest was Paraíso station, with 198,000 passengers per day in 2014 (194,000 passengers per day in 2013).
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Old January 25th, 2015, 03:15 AM   #3496
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indeed and unfortunately
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Old January 25th, 2015, 05:14 AM   #3497
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I'm rather fearful of the effects that the extensions of Metrô lines 2, 4, 5 and 15, the creation of new Metrô lines 6 and 17, the extension of CPTM line 9, and the creation of new CPTM line 13 will have on the network.

And I'm not even mentioning the various upgrades on both networks.

I seriously suspect that the worst is yet to come, in terms of overcrowding.
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Old January 25th, 2015, 06:36 AM   #3498
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Disruption or rush hour, the Sâo Paulo metro and commuter trains are overcrowded.
The overcrowding is happen due to limited number of carriages or something else? Is the number of people who using metro system greater than those who using personal vehicle?

In Jakarta currently we only have one rail system called commuter line, and it's always overcrowded in the peak hour. And currently we are still on progress on building the Metro line. Seeing that Sao Paolo has the same number of inhabitants (Around 12 millions, exc. those who living in suburb), it came to my concern that the same view will be happened soon in Jakarta
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Can't speak for Jakarta (I don't know much about Indonesia and Asia, sorry!), but Sâo Paulo is not just the city (which has a population of around 12 million, yes), but also the Metropolitan Region of Sâo Paulo. That takes the population up to 22 million, I think, and by that I mean the urban area with continuous urbanization.

If you take the Expanded Metropolitan Region of Sâo Paulo (including Jundiaí, Sorocaba, Santos, etc), then the population involved goes up to 32 million.

That is, hell in the rush hour.

And yes, the Metrô and CPTM systems are still way too small to be able to absorb the number of commuters without serious overcrowding.
It'll take decades and massive investments to get Sâo Paulo to have a half-decent rail service that is capable of taking saturation away from the roads without being awfully overcrowded.

However, the worst is yet to come, as the network is really so small that any new extension will only make things worse, until it reaches a certain size.
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Line 6-Orange. A video of the project. Premilinary works have started, but not very fast.

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