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Old September 10th, 2005, 11:45 AM   #21
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of course we DO want more pics!!!
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Old September 11th, 2005, 12:44 AM   #22
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I´m itching to take new pics, especially of the northern and western lines!
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Old October 18th, 2009, 11:48 AM   #23
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São Paulo Metro, Three Centuries of Evolution

SÃO PAULO, BRAZIL


POPULATION: 11 million (18 million metropolitan area)
METRO SYSTEM: 331 km (CPTM = 260 km + CMSP = 61 km)
DAILY RIDERSHIP: circa 5,200,000 passengers (as of late 2009)
NUMBER OF STATIONS: 151 (15 under construction, over 50 planned)
OFFICIAL WEBSITES: http://www.metro.sp.gov.br/ (Metro Company) http://www.cptm.sp.gov.br/ (CPTM)




Metro and CPTM logos

Consolação Station, 1991, line 2


New Line 2 train, made in Brazil

I'm opening this thread on the São Paulo metro system as there hasn't been any for a while in this section and there has been a lot of developments in the system, especially when it comes to current construction and future plans.

As you might know, São Paulo is Brazil's largest city with some 11 million inhabitants. Its first metro line opened in 1974 (line 1) and then lines 3 (1978) and line 2 (1991), but by then Brazil's financial crises stopped metro construction and the city's complementary, much older suburban rail system (now under CPTM) was in a state of chaos and abandonment.

By the late 90's Brazil's situation improved and the first actions to be taken to solve São Paulo's mass transit problems were to upgrade the CPTM system, which by 1995 transported some 500,000 passangers a day, but now transports over 2,000,000.

New trains were bought, replacing the old ones, which were refurbished, increasing supply of trains:


New Alstom train for CPTM line 9 (made in Brazil), about 100 new trains are coming!

Now the city's, the state's and the nation's situation improved so many projects were revived and new projects were created.

Currently three lines are under construction/extension:

Line 4 is completely new and will open partially in 2010, with 6 stations and the remaining 5 stations by 2012.

Line 2 is being extended eastward and three new stations will open in 2010 (one maybe still this year)

Line 5 is being extended northward and 10 new stations will be added, greatly improving this now still isolated line.

As you can see from today's (2009) map:



Line five is only connected to line 9 and kind of form a "second metro system" almost separated from the rest (the gray lines in this map are metro too).

Line 4 will greatly improve this as it will connect line 9 to the central part of the system, drastically improving mobility in the city.

The expansion of line 2 to the east will also create a new connection at Tamanduateí, with CPTM line 10, also vastly enriching travel possibilities and undoing the system's current bottleneck at its central sections.

Planned extensions for 2017 (I would be happy enough if half of that is actually built by that year )

Click here for a full view of this map.

The system today transports over 5 million passengers a day (Metro Company: 3 million, CPTM: 2 million) but since many only consider the Metro Company as actual metro, São Paulo is usually ranked lower in international comparisons. The truth is both systems operate full metros, with headways below 10 minutes and fully segregated tracks, aside from complete tariff integration (no pay to go from one system to the other).

São Paulo's metro operates at a flat rate of around 1.30 USD per trip regardless of length, time of day, day of week or number of transfers. An electronic rechargeable metro card is the most used physical ticket in the system (called Bilhete Único). There is a small discount for frequency.



The current under-construction expansions are expected to increase ridership to almost 6 million by late 2010 and will add yet another 3 million by 2017, resulting in a daily week-day ridership of 9 million passengers a day, rivalling giants such as Tokyo and Moscow (and Beijing and Shanghai in the near future).

The expansions include three monorail lines, which if materialized would endow Sao Paulo with the world's largest monorail system.


One of Sao Paulo's planned monorail stations.


The end of tunneling work for line 4 in October 2009 - first stations scheduled to open by March 2010.


The new train (Rotem) for line 4. Driverless.


Line 4 will feature screen platform doors. It will be among the most modern metro lines in the world.

Here is the PDF with the september 2009 constriction update pictures for line 4 for the more engineering-inclined:http://www.metro.sp.gov.br/expansao/...etembro_09.pdf

Video on the extension of line 5, which started this year (sorry Portuguese only, institutional government video)


Render of a future line 5 station:










More pics to showcase the incredible diversity of a system built over the 19th, 20th and 21st centuries:


Caieiras Station, 1883 (built, obviously, as a regular station not metro, now serving CPTM line 7)


Luz Station, 1901 (lines 7, 8, 11, 10, 1 and 4) - will become the busiest in the system by 2011, of course there is a huge underground section, this is just the old British-built building from the Victorian age, now housing the Museum of the Portuguese Language.


Former Roosevelt station (1870, now part of Bras station)


Line 5 - Capao Redondo Station (2002)


Vila Mariana station (1974) entrance - typical line 1 station from the mid seventies, all stations to the south of it are almost identical, the first batch of São Paulo metro stations.



Liberdade Station (Asian Quarter) also from late 70's (line 1)


Liberdade Station (1975)



Santo Amaro Station (2002) - Line 5 - The station itself is a cable-stayed bridge over a river.


Another pic of the "bridge-station".


Train at Hebraica Rebouças Station, line 9 (CPTM, 2000). This line for the most part follows the Pinheiros river and is entirely at grade, totalling 34 km and 18 stations. Like all CPTM lines, it was formerly a regular railroad line for general purposes but has now been converted for metro-only uses. It transports only some 200,000 passengers a day because it still needs line 4 to connect it to the central part of the system. Ridership will rise to at least 600,000 a day by late 2010. New trains have been bought.


The cool and cozy interior of a typical new line 9 station, all built in 2000. Line 9 existed since the 70's as a partial metro line but few stations existed. The old stations are being modernized.


Vila Olimpia station, line 9 - exterior of a typical new line 9 station with bridge over Riverside Highway.


The "old" section of Santo Amaro station, serving line 9, which dates from 1982. It's a unique station, no other is even remotely similar to it. It was connected to the modern Santo Amaro station in 2002 when line 5 was built above it.


Line 10 Train near Bras station.


Line 10 Train at Dom Bosco station (2000) at the far east of the city.


Sé (central) Station - the busiest in the system, and it shows in this picture. Best avoided during rush hours.


Mogi Das Cruzes station, at the city of the same name just east of Sao Paulo with a crummy surviving VW Fusca (Beetle). The CPTM system, unlike the "Metro" system, reaches many neighboring cities.


Line 1 (northern extension)


Luz station CPTM (1901)


Julio Prestes Station, 1936 (line 8) - originally a long distance railroad station, now underused, main building houses the São Paulo Music Hall and Philharmonic Orchestra.


Tatuapé Station (1987), lines 3, 11 and 10, eastern part of town.


Alto do Ipiranga station (2006), foreshadowing the architecture of most of the city's future underground stations.


Brás Station (east of city center, lines 3, 10, 7, 11, 12), one of the largest physically, this picture only shows part of its CPTM section, to the left there is a huge elevated annex Metro station and two old-days railroad buildings to the right. The hole station is an amalgamation of several stations from different years.


View from the elevated part of Brás station


CPTM train (line 9) - new "red" livery (Alstom made in Brazil)





I HOPE YOU ALL ENJOYED THANK YOU FOR VISITING AND COMMENTING
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Old October 18th, 2009, 05:06 PM   #24
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wow/ sao paulo's subway is definitively not small; did someone compared it with montreal's subway or another one ?
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Old October 18th, 2009, 05:28 PM   #25
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updated map

it think that map is a bit old; this one is the newest



http://br.geocities.com/zostratus9/r...-cptm-2004.jpg
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Old October 18th, 2009, 07:10 PM   #26
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Very interesting!
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Old October 19th, 2009, 05:28 PM   #27
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Did you mean 3 decades?
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Old October 19th, 2009, 08:18 PM   #28
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heheh I should have know it would be confusing!

I meant to highlight the fact that what is NOW a metro system uses stations and rail that span three centuries: 19th, 20th and 21st.

The older stations were regular train stations but now are the metro. Nonetheless, the system is the result of a very long process that started around 1864, the creation of Sao Paulo's railroads.

I should have made it more clear in the opening post, sorry!
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Old October 19th, 2009, 08:45 PM   #29
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I thought the same. That you meant three decades but as I starting reading your comments, I got your point that it was to illustrate the three different centuries but even so it gives the idea that we are talking about nearly 300 years while the 3 diff centuries may only cover 150 yrs of history. Good job though. I really hope the METRO becomes a viable mass-transit solution to Sao Paulo's congestion issues.
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Old October 19th, 2009, 09:48 PM   #30
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It is already a viable solution, and it will be more and more in the future.

First of all, congratulations for the excellent thread! I liked, I just would suggest to use more recent photos available, since some photos are very outdated (Line 9 stations, for example).

Just some considerations about the initial post:

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[SIZE="7"]Train at Hebraica Rebouças Station, line 9 (CPTM, 2000). This line for the most part follows the Pinheiros river and is entirely at grade, totalling 34 km and 18 stations. Like all CPTM lines, it was formerly a regular railroad line for general purposes but has now been converted for metro-only uses. It transports only some 200,000 passengers a day because it still needs line 4 to connect it to the central part of the system. Ridership will rise to at least 600,000 a day by late 2010. New trains have been bought.
Actually, ridership will increase to 400,000-450,000 riders/day in late 2010, and only with the new trains purchased recently, wich will be manufactured soon.

Some consideration about the lines:

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[SIZE="7"]http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f350/rocam29/CPTM/Linha%20E/IMG_8983.jpg
Line 10 Train near Bras station.

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f3...E/IMG_3876.jpg
Line 10 Train at Dom Bosco station (2000) at the far east of the city.
Actually, these are Line 11 stations.

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[SIZE="7"]http://www.encontratatuape.com.br/imgs/imagens-tatuape/shopping_tatuape.jpg
Tatuapé Station (1987), lines 3, 11 and 10, eastern part of town.
Actually, the existing lines in Tatuapé station are lines 3, 11 and 12.


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[SIZE="7"]http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g304/american_lipe/CPTM/bras/bras_026.jpg
Brás Station (east of city center, lines 3, 10, 7, 11, 12), one of the largest physically, this picture only shows part of its CPTM section, to the left there is a huge elevated annex Metro station and two old-days railroad buildings to the right. The hole station is an amalgamation of several stations from different years.
Actually, the existent lines in Brás station complex are lines 3, 10, 11 and 12. Line 7 do not serves this station since around 2004.
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Actually, this is the most recent map of the metropolitan network (with only the existing lines and stations):


http://www.cptm.sp.gov.br/E_IMAGES/g...tano_Out09.gif
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Old October 19th, 2009, 10:29 PM   #32
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Good thread, but the informations are a little confuse.

Some other considerations:

Line 8 does not reach Luz Station, only lines 1, 4(under construction), 7, 10 and 11.
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Luz Station, 1901 (lines 7, 8, 11, 10, 1 and 4) - will become the busiest in the system by 2011, of course there is a huge underground section, this is just the old British-built building from the Victorian age, now housing the Museum of the Portuguese Language.
Line 8 does not reach Luz Station, only lines 1, 4(under construction), 7, 10 and 11.
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Former Roosevelt station (1870, now part of Bras station)
This is the original Bras Station, not Roosevelt. Roosevelt was the name of the other side, buit by Central do Brasil Railroad
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Old October 20th, 2009, 01:14 PM   #33
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Tiago, Lipe, feel free to add any corrections, thank you!

The thing is that the new "numbering system" is still confusing to me, I remember the old lettering system better.

I just created this thread because we Brazilians have a great forum here but we share very little with the international part, besides our forums are Portuguese-only.
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Old October 20th, 2009, 05:29 PM   #34
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Do you have more information about the line 4 ?
The link that you posted doesn't work.
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its true, the link became truncated by the forum and doesn't work let me look...
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This should be the link for photo updates for September 2009 for line 2:

http://www.metro.sp.gov.br/expansao/...etembro_09.pdf

and this should work for line 4:

http://www.metro.sp.gov.br/expansao/...etembro_09.pdf



Please tell me if it's working!
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It works, thank you !
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That is an impressive network - good work - the Luz station looks a bit like Flinders Street Station in Melbourne - it was a bit like deja vu!
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Tiago, Lipe, feel free to add any corrections, thank you!

The thing is that the new "numbering system" is still confusing to me, I remember the old lettering system better.

I just created this thread because we Brazilians have a great forum here but we share very little with the international part, besides our forums are Portuguese-only.
I started some threads about the São Paulo lines, long time ago, but with short time I couldn't continue the other lines threads.


Line 1 - http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=681416
Line 3 - http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=690630


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That is an impressive network - good work - the Luz station looks a bit like Flinders Street Station in Melbourne - it was a bit like deja vu!
Yes it was built by an English consortium which built that old railway in the 19th century. Today it's metro-only.
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