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Old September 5th, 2010, 08:59 PM   #681
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Old September 6th, 2010, 11:10 AM   #682
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Are there any plans to link CPTM lines 8 & 10 into one line, it would be logival, and it looks like a perfect connextion through the city?

I don't understand why so many line have to have a final stop at Luz?
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Old September 6th, 2010, 02:21 PM   #683
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Are there any plans to link CPTM lines 8 & 10 into one line, it would be logival, and it looks like a perfect connextion through the city?

I don't understand why so many line have to have a final stop at Luz?
You would have to know the physical reality behind each line. Actually line 8 is a separate railroad with a terminus at Julio Prestes, the line cannot be extended. There are plans to close Julio Prestes and take the train directly to Luz.

Line 10 is actually physically the same as line 7, they are a railroad that crosses the city passing through Luz. So one "ends" there but the other continues it. Since most people use them to reach the center, they were made into two lines since time immemorial.

Line 11, called East Express, actually used to end at Brás because it (line line 12) uses the old Sao Paulo-Rio railroad whose terminus was at Brás , but it was extened to Luz so that people don't have to transfer at Bras and then use the busy line 3 to reach Sé at the center (people from Line 12 still have to). The intention was to take line 11 to Barra Funda crossing the whole city center to the West, but for some reason these plans were halted.

So we actually only have 3 lines ending at Luz, not that many. Line 4 will also have its terminus at Luz, but at a separate underground station. It will relieve line 1 since all commuters who alight at Luz only have line 1 to reach the main parts of the city.
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Old September 6th, 2010, 03:36 PM   #684
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You would have to know the physical reality behind each line. Actually line 8 is a separate railroad with a terminus at Julio Prestes, the line cannot be extended. There are plans to close Julio Prestes and take the train directly to Luz.
I've been at Julio Prestes (very beautiful station, with it's concert hall) and indeed it's a end station, but only a small tunnel would link it to luz, creating a lot better connextions,....

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Line 10 is actually physically the same as line 7, they are a railroad that crosses the city passing through Luz. So one "ends" there but the other continues it. Since most people use them to reach the center, they were made into two lines since time immemorial.
Do they have to change trains then? Or is it the same train driving further with another line name.

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Line 11, called East Express, actually used to end at Brás because it (line line 12) uses the old Sao Paulo-Rio railroad whose terminus was at Brás , but it was extened to Luz so that people don't have to transfer at Bras and then use the busy line 3 to reach Sé at the center (people from Line 12 still have to). The intention was to take line 11 to Barra Funda crossing the whole city center to the West, but for some reason these plans were halted.
Would have been a good plan to do.... I think that the CPTM system could be far more integrated, like the S-trains in Germany.

Sometimes it seems that in the planning, the administrators wants to get everybody as fast as possible in the Sé station for work, but forget that people have other needs (shopping etc....).

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So we actually only have 3 lines ending at Luz, not that many. Line 4 will also have its terminus at Luz, but at a separate underground station. It will relieve line 1 since all commuters who alight at Luz only have line 1 to reach the main parts of the city.
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Being the busiest railway station in Sao Paulo (and probably the southern Hemisphere, like paulista like to claim), no train should end here. It allows people to interchange, or continue. In the current set-up they always have to interchange, making this station even more busy without any use...
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Old September 6th, 2010, 04:42 PM   #685
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Old September 7th, 2010, 03:33 AM   #686
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Old September 7th, 2010, 05:54 AM   #687
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I've been at Julio Prestes (very beautiful station, with it's concert hall) and indeed it's a end station, but only a small tunnel would link it to luz, creating a lot better connextions,....
Well a small tunnel would connect its halls to Luz, not its rails. There is no way to continue the rails since they end in a wall. The idea however is to shut down Julio Prestes and divert line 8 to Luz after Barra Funda.


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Do they have to change trains then? Or is it the same train driving further with another line name.
Yes, they have to change trains. The two lines have very different personalities.

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Would have been a good plan to do.... I think that the CPTM system could be far more integrated, like the S-trains in Germany.

Sometimes it seems that in the planning, the administrators wants to get everybody as fast as possible in the Sé station for work, but forget that people have other needs (shopping etc....).
The new connections created by the Metro expansion will dramatically reduce overcrowding in the central stations, it is hoped.

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Being the busiest railway station in Sao Paulo (and probably the southern Hemisphere, like paulista like to claim), no train should end here. It allows people to interchange, or continue. In the current set-up they always have to interchange, making this station even more busy without any use...
Well I believe even if Luz were not a terminus for any line, 90% of the people who alight there would alight there anyway.
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Old September 7th, 2010, 09:32 PM   #688
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Line 10 is actually physically the same as line 7, they are a railroad that crosses the city passing through Luz. So one "ends" there but the other continues it. Since most people use them to reach the center, they were made into two lines since time immemorial.
In 1994, the two lines still were only one big line, called "Noroeste-Sudeste". In 1999, this line was already splitted in two.
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Old September 8th, 2010, 07:00 AM   #689
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1994 is time immemorial to me, I only went to Sao Paulo city in 1995 Thanks for the info!
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Old September 8th, 2010, 07:16 AM   #690
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Ipiranga Station, line 10 by Tiago Costa

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Old September 8th, 2010, 07:20 AM   #691
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New line 10 Tamanduateí station, to open in conjunction with the new line 2 Tamanduateí station in a week or two















Here you can see the old line 10 Tamanduateí station, to be replaced by the new one:

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Old September 8th, 2010, 07:31 AM   #692
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Line 11 train next to the "vintage" Touristic Express at Luz

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Old September 8th, 2010, 07:32 AM   #693
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Line 10 Spanish CAF leaving Luz

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Old September 8th, 2010, 07:45 AM   #694
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Villa Lobos Jaguaré Station, line 9 (by Alvim João)



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Old September 8th, 2010, 09:19 AM   #695
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Nice night-time shot of Trianon-Masp station access on Paulista Avenue, the city's financial heart (line 2) (by Daniel Vitor)

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Old September 8th, 2010, 09:23 AM   #696
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The underground Luz station (line 1) by LeoMSantos

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Old September 8th, 2010, 05:10 PM   #697
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hi

Oi Voce entende sobre mapas e rotas de trem, eu preciso de alguns modelos para aprendizagem
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Old September 8th, 2010, 05:18 PM   #698
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No I don't, please participate in the Brazilian forum:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1880
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Old September 8th, 2010, 06:35 PM   #699
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Official metro line 4 update:

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Beautiful line 4
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