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Old October 5th, 2010, 07:10 PM   #861
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^Ah.

So how does the fare system work? By zone or is it flat?

And where do the Sao paulo order their subway cars from? Bombadier? Hyundai ROTEM?
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Old October 5th, 2010, 07:16 PM   #862
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^Ah.

So how does the fare system work? By zone or is it flat?

And where do the Sao paulo order their subway cars from? Bombadier? Hyundai ROTEM?
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Old October 5th, 2010, 07:16 PM   #863
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^Ah.

So how does the fare system work? By zone or is it flat?

And where do the Sao paulo order their subway cars from? Bombadier? Hyundai ROTEM?
The new line 4 cars are from Hyundai-Rotem, while the cars for line 5 and line 3 are from Alstom. Additionally, CAF has made train cars for lines 1 and 3.
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Old October 5th, 2010, 07:17 PM   #864
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Old October 5th, 2010, 07:21 PM   #865
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^Ah.

So how does the fare system work? By zone or is it flat?

And where do the Sao paulo order their subway cars from? Bombadier? Hyundai ROTEM?
The fair is flat R$ 2,75 for the entire CPTM/Metro system (free integration since late 90s).

Most subway cars were made by Brazilian Mafersa in the 70s and 80s, then Mafersa (a Brazilian company) was purchased by Alstom, but the factory is still in the West Side of São Paulo city.

CPTM buys rolling stock from Brazilian and foregn manufacturers, and Line 4 uses Rotem trains imported from Korea.
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Old October 5th, 2010, 08:08 PM   #866
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ROTEM is really emerging as a major player in the world train industry. My cousin works for them in fact.

So, whats the approximate estimate of R$2.75 to US $? Around $2.00?
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Old October 5th, 2010, 08:38 PM   #867
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More like US$ 1.60
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Old October 5th, 2010, 11:01 PM   #868
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New line 1 train by Eduardo GJF

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Old October 6th, 2010, 12:30 AM   #869
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Old October 6th, 2010, 04:22 AM   #870
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So how does the fare system work? By zone or is it flat?

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The new line 4 cars are from Hyundai-Rotem, while the cars for line 5 and line 3 are from Alstom. Additionally, CAF has made train cars for lines 1 and 3.
The first Metrô-SP trains were purchased from Mafersa, a brazilian train manufacturer that manufactured the trains in Brazil under The Budd Company license, near 1970-1971. 33 trains were purchased (198 cars, compounding 6-car trains).

Later, other 18 trains (108 trains), visually identical but with little technical differences compared to the former were purchased from Mafersa, but I don't know when. It was between 1974 and 1979, probably. They were manufactured in Brazil too.

These two orders make today the 198/108 fleet, now called A fleet. Now they operate on Line 1, but they operated on lines 2 and 3 too.

Near 1980, 25 6-car trains were purchased from Cobrasma, other brazilian train manufacturer, that manufactured the trains in Brazil under Francorail license, but it was a almost 100% customised project, it was not entirely imported from France. These formed the Cobrasma fleet, now called C fleet.

Near 1986, 22 6-car trains were purchased from Mafersa, and they are almost visually identical Cobrasma trains, but have significant technical differences because were manufactured by other company. These formed the Mafersa fleet, now called D fleet.

Both C and D fleet operate on Line 3, but some trains operated on Line 2, I don't remember if just C fleet or just D fleet, or both.

In 1991, a contract was signed with Mafersa, to manufacture 22 6-car trains, in 2 lots. 11 for Line 3 and 11 for Line 2. But the government did not pay accordingly, and the manufaturing was halted. Meantime, Mafersa go bankrupt, and the french company Alstom purchased its plant. Near 1996-1997, the manufaturing started again in Lapa (São Paulo, Brazil) plant, and the 11 first trains were delivered in 1998. In Line 3 they did not go very well, so they were sent to Line 2, where they did a good service. They formed the Milênio fleet, and are now called E fleet.

In 2000, a consortium called SISTREM (formed by Alstom, Siemens, Balfour Beatty, Bombardier and CAF) was the winner of a contract to install systems (electric, auxiliary, signalling, etc) and to manufacture 8 6-car trains for Line 5. Alstom, Siemens and CAF participated directly on the manufacturing of the trains. These are basically the Metropolis project from Alstom, and are called F fleet. They were manufactured in Lapa, São Paulo, Brazil.

In 2007, the government decided to continue the '1991 contract, paying for the 11 remaining trains. But it decided to add 5 more trains to the original purchase order, resulting in 16 new trains ordered. They started to arrive in late 2008, and in 2010 the last train arrived. They are a "pure" Metropolis project, different from fleets E and F. They were manufactured in Lapa, São Paulo, Brazil. And of course, they are called G fleet.

In 2008, CAF was the winner of a contract to manufacture 17 6-car trains, 7 for Line 1 and 10 for Line 3. The first train arrived on late 2009, and they are still arriving. The first 2 trains were manufactured in Spain, but the other 15 trains were manufactured in Hortolândia, Brazil. They are called H fleet.

These are the Metrô-SP trains. CPTM trains are other history (very interesting too, and much more diversified), I can tell you if you want.

Additionally, Line 4 trains were purchased (14 trains) from Hyundai-Rotem by ViaQuatro, a private company that operates Line 4. They started to arrive in late 2009 and the last trains arrived in mid 2010.

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Old October 6th, 2010, 04:39 AM   #871
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Thanks for that very insightful info. A little of both new and old huh.
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Old October 6th, 2010, 06:12 AM   #872
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Yeah, its a very interesting merge of old and new. The fleets A, C and D (total of 98 6-car trains, or 588 cars) are being modernised, so in 2013 all the old trains will be like the new trains inside. But outside, they will be not so modern, because just the front mask will be changed. Anyway, it will be a very interesting result.
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Old October 6th, 2010, 12:36 PM   #873
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East Side Monorail growing and growing (by SavianoMarcio)



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Old October 6th, 2010, 01:36 PM   #874
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Old October 6th, 2010, 01:43 PM   #875
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Wow, so they are really builing it! I always thought the Monorail would be just a dream or a wish but would never be constructed! Are there any infosabout the length of the future trains? Will it be more like short trains (vide Kuala Lumpur) or longer (like in some cities in Japan)?
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Wow, so they are really builing it! I always thought the Monorail would be just a dream or a wish but would never be constructed! Are there any infosabout the length of the future trains? Will it be more like short trains (vide Kuala Lumpur) or longer (like in some cities in Japan)?
According to information published in the press, the trains will be seven cars in length. The line will be equipped with 54 trains and will have 17 stations. The trains will be a new design called Innovia 300. The trains will be fully automated and driverless. Further details of the train design have not yet been made public.

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