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Old November 7th, 2010, 01:12 AM   #1021
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How old is the system? Some stations look new but some look very old.
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Old November 7th, 2010, 06:08 AM   #1022
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Old November 7th, 2010, 06:17 AM   #1023
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How old is the system? Some stations look new but some look very old.
First underground line was opened in 1974c. First overground lines have been used, to a greater or lesser extent, as passenger metropolitan/commuter lines since the early 1900's, but most still share traffic with freight trains so you can't say all those overground lines are truly mass transit railways but indeed rail lines that area mainly used for passenger transport but also for freight.
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Old November 7th, 2010, 07:11 AM   #1024
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Mass transit means high capacity of carrying passengers. If all lines have this high capacity, even with little traffic of freight trains (of more than 250 daily trips, less than 50 - if they are so many - are of freight trains), they are real mass transit lines, and they operate accordingly.

The current CPTM lines started a real mass transit transport by the 1970s. Before that and some years after that for some lines, a suburban system existed, with timetables and very long intervals in peak times for mass transit systems (15-minute level).
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Old November 7th, 2010, 07:54 AM   #1025
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Since this is now a general public transport thread for Sao Paulo, would it be appropriate to mention the bus and trolleybus systems in the city?
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Old November 7th, 2010, 02:11 PM   #1026
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Yes, of course. It will be very appropriated.
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Old November 7th, 2010, 03:49 PM   #1027
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Since this is now a general public transport thread for Sao Paulo, would it be appropriate to mention the bus and trolleybus systems in the city?
Urban buses








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Old November 7th, 2010, 04:48 PM   #1028
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What about the BRT? I would like to see some pics. Plus the bi-articulated buses, like the one from above.
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Old November 7th, 2010, 05:55 PM   #1029
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some random pics ...













































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Old November 8th, 2010, 05:54 AM   #1030
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How many trolleybuses do they have in Sao Paulo? Is there a map of the Trolleybus network?
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Old November 8th, 2010, 09:40 PM   #1031
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METRO SÃO PAULO

ESTAÇÃO BUTANTÃ
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http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4059/...e830737c_z.jpg
once Butantã Station isn't finished i've just put this photo above as a perspective.
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Old November 9th, 2010, 01:44 AM   #1032
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How many trolleybuses do they have in Sao Paulo? Is there a map of the Trolleybus network?
Into the Sao Paulo city itself there isn't much. I guess there is around 180 trolleybuses only, operating in 11 lines. Most of them are in the East and Central Zones.

Just for comparison, as of October 2010, Sao Paulo had a total of 15.000 operating buses, and 1.350 lines.

The electric system isn't good too, the electric company (AES Eletropaulo) "refuses" to do a maintenance. Here is the result ...





I didn't found a good map of the current network, but I guess this one should do it.



In a near past, Sao Paulo had a lot more trolleys. Most of the lines were converted into Diesel around 2003.

Here is a map of the lines in 2002:



and here are some pics from that time:







currently these buses are thrown at junk yards, getting rusty ... a waste of public money ...










now, into the Metropolitan area known as "ABC", the trolleys are up and running, and currently expanding!











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Old November 9th, 2010, 02:25 AM   #1033
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Giovanni Gronchi station, line 5, integrated with João Dias Bus Terminal



Largo Treze station, line 5, integrated with Santo Amaro Bus Terminal



Santo Amaro Bus Terminal



Armenia station, line 1



Berrini station, line 9





Paulista station, Line 4 (integrated with Line 2 - Consolacao Station) while it was under construction:


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Old November 9th, 2010, 06:53 AM   #1034
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Yes indeed.

More by the one and only Eduardo GJF:








do the rings serve a purpose are they for decoration? i've seen them on other systems too - like in spain and always wondered what their purpose is
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Old November 9th, 2010, 10:10 AM   #1035
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Why the bus numbers are so long, is it some sort of code, like location of the lines?
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Old November 9th, 2010, 12:03 PM   #1036
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Yes, though I and most people can't generally tell what they mean.
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Old November 9th, 2010, 04:05 PM   #1037
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The current numbering system was created some decades ago, I don't remember when. The last two digits mean the type of the line (example: line 6451-10 ends with 10):
-10: main line
-21 to 29: return
-31 to 39: derivation
-41 to 49: branch
-51 to 59: extended route

There is a very good explanation about it, in Wikipedia, but it's in Portuguese:

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Códigos das linhas de ônibus

Existem linhas com 3 números e 1 letra (ex. 477P Ipiranga - Rio Pequeno) e linhas com 4 números (ex. 7454 Cohab Educandário - Terminal Princesa Isabel).

Quando a linha possui 3 números e uma letra (ex. 477P Ipiranga/Rio Pequeno), significa que a linha inicia em uma área (inicia na área 4 antiga) e termina em uma outra área diferente (termina na área 7 antiga [terceiro dígito]), isso normalmente seguindo a numeração antiga de quando a cidade era dividida em nove áreas, e como existem diversas linhas iniciando e terminando nas mesmas áreas a diferenciação se faz pela utilização da letra final, como por exemplo nas linhas 748A Jd. D`Abril - Lapa e 748R Jd. João XXIII - Metrô Barra Funda. Se o segundo dígito for 0 (zero), significa que a linha passa pelo centro da cidade (ex. 702U-Terminal Parque Dom Pedro II/Butantã USP, ou seja, inicia na área 7 antiga, passando pelo centro [dígito ZERO] e termina na área 2 antiga).

O código de quatro números (ex. 8615 Terminal Parque Dom Pedro II - Parque da Lapa) é utilizado quando a linha inicia e termina na própria área ou no centro da cidade, sendo que os dois últimos algarismos servem para diferenciar a região do ponto terminal dentro da área. Quando o segundo dígito for 0 (zero), significa que a linha inicia e termina na mesma área (ex. 8000 Praça Ramos de Azevedo - Terminal Lapa) e quando tiver outro valor indica que a linha parte do centro da cidade (ex. 8700 Praça Ramos de Azevedo - Terminal Campo Limpo). Tanto em um, quanto em outro, quando o segundo dígito for 7 (sete) significa que a linha inicia/termina ou passa pelo metrô (ex. 8700 Praça Ramos de Azevedo - Terminal Campo Limpo, inicia no metrô Anhangabaú e passa pela Estação Hebraica - Rebouças).

Nas linhas que partem dos terminais Sapopemba/Teotônio Vilela, Sacomã e Campo Limpo a numeração das linhas já segue a nova numeração da cidade dividida em nove áreas (ex. o que era anteriormente área 4 (quatro) e também parte da área 3 (três) agora é área 5 (cinco)).

Além desses 4 primeiros algarismos, ainda há um código que vem depois do número da linha (existente nas placas com itinerários ao lado da porta de entrada), que especificam o tipo da linha, como as linhas 702P/10-Pinheiros - Terminal Penha, 702P/21-Pinheiros - Terminal Parque Dom Pedro II, 702P/41 Pinheiros - Metrô Belém e 702P/42 Butantã - Terminal Parque Dom Pedro II. Se conferirmos na tabela abaixo, veremos que a primeira linha é a linha principal, a segunda linha é um retorno, a terceira e quarta linhas são do tipo bifurcação (ou variante) da mesma.
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Obrigado!
It's ok that it's in portugues, i did understand it.
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do the rings serve a purpose are they for decoration? i've seen them on other systems too - like in spain and always wondered what their purpose is
I read somewhere that those rings reduce the noise.
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Old November 9th, 2010, 09:25 PM   #1040
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The current numbering system was created some decades ago, I don't remember when. The last two digits mean the type of the line (example: line 6451-10 ends with 10):
-10: main line
-21 to 29: return
-31 to 39: derivation
-41 to 49: branch
-51 to 59: extended route

There is a very good explanation about it, in Wikipedia, but it's in Portuguese:[...]
Ok, English now:

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Codes of Sao Paulo Bus Lines.

There are lines with 3 numbers and 1 letter (example: 477P Ipiranga – Rio Pequeno) and four rows with numbers (example: 7454 Cohab Educandário – Terminal Princesa Isabel).

When the line has 3 numbers and one letter (example: 477P Ipiranga – Rio Pequeno), means that the line starts in one area (old 4 area) and ends in another different area (old 7 area [third digit]), it usually following the old numbering when the city was divided into nine areas, and as there are several lines starting and ending in the same areas. The differentiation is done by using the last letter, for example the lines 748A Jd. D`Abril – Lapa and 748R Jd. João XXIII - Metrô Barra Funda. If the second digit is 0 (zero) means that the line passes through the city center (example: 702U-Terminal Parque Dom Pedro II/Butantã USP, starts at 7 old area, passing through the center [zero digit] and ends in the old area 2).

The code of four numbers (example: 8615 Terminal Parque Dom Pedro II - Parque da Lapa) is used when the line starts and ends in that area or downtown, and the last two digits serve to differentiate the region of the terminal point within the area. When the second digit is 0 (zero) means that the line starts and ends in the same area (example: 8000 Praça Ramos de Azevedo - Terminal Lapa) and when it has other value indicates that the line from the center of town (example: 8700 Praça Ramos de Azevedo – Terminal Campo Limpo). Both in one, and in another, when the second digit is 7 (seven) means that the line starts/ends or passes through the subway (example: 8700 Praça Ramos de Azevedo - Terminal Campo Limpo, starts in the Anhangabaú subway station and go through Hebraica – Rebouças station.).

In lines that depart from terminals Sapopemba/Teotônio Vilela, Sacomã and Campo Limpo line numbers already follows the new numbering of the city divided into nine areas (example: the area that was formerly 4 (four) and also part of Area 3 (three) is now field five (5)).

Besides these 4 first digits, there is still a code that comes after the line number (existing boards with itineraries beside door), which specify the type of line, as the lines 702P/10-Pinheiros - Terminal Penha, 702P/21 - Pinheiros - Terminal Parque Dom Pedro II, 702P/41 Pinheiros – Metrô Belém and 702P/42 Butantã - Terminal Parque Dom Pedro II. If you see from the table below, we see that the first line is the main line, the second line is a return, the third and fourth lines are kind of bifurcation (or variant) of main line.

-10: main line
-21 to 29: return
-31 to 39: derivation
-41 to 49: branch
-51 to 59: extended route
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