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Old January 26th, 2011, 02:40 AM   #1241
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Old January 26th, 2011, 01:21 PM   #1242
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Old January 27th, 2011, 04:52 AM   #1243
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Might I say something without sounding too much of a rude person? I guess there is some over-posting on this thread. Just by looking on the former pages, I figure out many unremarkable spots were photographed 3, 4, 5 times in the last 10 pages - at the same or similar angles!

There is an overdose of posts of every single common, again unremarkable detail of train stations. I think that is too much, it might make the poster fell good, but for an international viewer, it just becomes one of those threads you don't dare to navigate because there is so many repeated or similar repeated pictures with few, if any, meaningful comments or description.

I'm not saying people should not post here, it is not my intention, let alone my duty, but some self-restraint in publishing photos would help. IT doesn't mean publishing less, necessarily, but at least trying to put your pics withing a (written) context. Why would a picture of a concrete wall (4 of them, indeed) be here? Probably the forumer has a reason, but we can't guess from just looking at the pictures.
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Old January 27th, 2011, 05:29 AM   #1244
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Might I say something without sounding too much of a rude person? I guess there is some over-posting on this thread. Just by looking on the former pages, I figure out many unremarkable spots were photographed 3, 4, 5 times in the last 10 pages - at the same or similar angles!

There is an overdose of posts of every single common, again unremarkable detail of train stations. I think that is too much, it might make the poster fell good, but for an international viewer, it just becomes one of those threads you don't dare to navigate because there is so many repeated or similar repeated pictures with few, if any, meaningful comments or description.

I'm not saying people should not post here, it is not my intention, let alone my duty, but some self-restraint in publishing photos would help. IT doesn't mean publishing less, necessarily, but at least trying to put your pics withing a (written) context. Why would a picture of a concrete wall (4 of them, indeed) be here? Probably the forumer has a reason, but we can't guess from just looking at the pictures.
well, in this last case I think he wanted to show the recent changes on this station's structure, as the Sao Paulo Metro is changing it's visual identity.

But I agree with you, 2-3 pics were just enough.
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Old January 28th, 2011, 11:24 AM   #1245
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Old January 28th, 2011, 03:43 PM   #1246
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Old January 28th, 2011, 08:45 PM   #1247
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Might I say something without sounding too much of a rude person? I guess there is some over-posting on this thread. Just by looking on the former pages, I figure out many unremarkable spots were photographed 3, 4, 5 times in the last 10 pages - at the same or similar angles!

There is an overdose of posts of every single common, again unremarkable detail of train stations. I think that is too much, it might make the poster fell good, but for an international viewer, it just becomes one of those threads you don't dare to navigate because there is so many repeated or similar repeated pictures with few, if any, meaningful comments or description.

I'm not saying people should not post here, it is not my intention, let alone my duty, but some self-restraint in publishing photos would help. IT doesn't mean publishing less, necessarily, but at least trying to put your pics withing a (written) context. Why would a picture of a concrete wall (4 of them, indeed) be here? Probably the forumer has a reason, but we can't guess from just looking at the pictures.
it's the kid's new-toy effect!

I think it's ok for the brazilean thread but kind of boring for the international one.

anyways congrats to the city on this huge mass transit improuvement
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Old January 29th, 2011, 04:22 PM   #1248
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Once in a year, at the date of foundation of the city, it's offered a sightseeing at the citycentre of Sao Paulo, on old trolley buses. And it's free!







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Old January 29th, 2011, 07:35 PM   #1249
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Old January 30th, 2011, 12:03 AM   #1250
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ONLY ONCE A YEAR??!!??

[QUOTEOnce in a year, at the date of foundation of the city, it's offered a sightseeing at the citycentre of Sao Paulo, on old trolley buses. And it's free!


Only once a year....??? Is it always on St Paul day??
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Old January 31st, 2011, 01:50 AM   #1251
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[QUOTEOnce in a year, at the date of foundation of the city, it's offered a sightseeing at the citycentre of Sao Paulo, on old trolley buses. And it's free!


Only once a year....??? Is it always on St Paul day??
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Old January 31st, 2011, 02:00 AM   #1252
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Old February 1st, 2011, 05:35 AM   #1253
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Old February 1st, 2011, 05:52 AM   #1254
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Old February 2nd, 2011, 02:19 AM   #1255
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Old February 2nd, 2011, 11:34 AM   #1256
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Vandals, disgruntled users and a disaster waiting to happen in overcrowded trains @ Sao Paulo

A major stampede is waiting to happen at Sao Paulo's rush hour. It is just a matter of time before one of this group of vandals and out-of-control angry passengers triggers a major stampede, maybe with many falling on the tracks and worse...

Look at these videos: such crowds should NEVER be allowed to pile up in a train station platform. It is dangerous, unsafer and a receipt for disaster. Livestock heading for a slaughterhouse would have been taken better care of.











People embark running like it was a run for their lives even when the train is empty.


EDIT: one station (Trindade) of Line 12 was closed and dismantled. It has been completely vandalized and destroyed many times and it is the government gave up and shut down the station, demolishing altogether. The same line was so vandalized last decade it was kept out of service for 6 months after a massive vandal attack on trains, stations and so.

[The other station I mentioned was not closed, so I'm correcting the facts]
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Old February 2nd, 2011, 12:59 PM   #1257
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First of all: You say Aracaré Station will me closed and demolished due to vandalism. Well, I've never heard of that.
And I believe you aren't even sure of what you're talking about! You just asked in the Brazilian forum for this information, and so far no one replied.

There are two possible destinations for this station: Reconstruction or deactivation. Those options mainly depend on demand.

And about the videos: Most of them show unusual situations, and others show nothing but the lack of education of the poorest Brazilian population - not a matter of transportation.

And considering your words, I believe you just want to get attention.
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Old February 2nd, 2011, 03:58 PM   #1258
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And about the videos: Most of them show unusual situations, and others show nothing but the lack of education of the poorest Brazilian population - not a matter of transportation.
I corrected the first part of the information. Moreover, I just want to break the celebration-tone of this thread and show the other side of the overused and exhausted Sao Paulo train system. Some of these threads on this sub-section are only concerned with the shinny, bright aspect of those systems like it were a train appreciation thread, with complete disregard to facts or shortcoming - be it in Sao Paulo, Taijnin, København, Kinasha...

And, no, I don't consider those stampedes unusual situations. If they were, there would never be a need for containment fences more keen to rock concerts on pack stadia or else... The overcrowd of Sao Paulo's system is bringing it to the verge of collapse.

I'd suggest an increase in fares to disincentive non-essential travel on the system and shifting trips to cars and motorcycles.
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Old February 2nd, 2011, 04:25 PM   #1259
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A major stampede is waiting to happen at Sao Paulo's rush hour. It is just a matter of time before one of this group of vandals and out-of-control angry passengers triggers a major stampede, maybe with many falling on the tracks and worse...
This happened some time ago, but there are few places where this is a real problem (less than 10 stations have such tense situation, and in all of them there are security measures that prevents any disturb in normal situation). Nowadays, is virtually impossible that even in disturb situations, an unsafe situation lead to people killed by train.


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Look at these videos: such crowds should NEVER be allowed to pile up in a train station platform. It is dangerous, unsafer and a receipt for disaster. Livestock heading for a slaughterhouse would have been taken better care of.
In the most crowded stations, the platform access was restricted. This is called "Embarque melhor" (Better boarding, something like this). This guarantees a better flow of passengers and improve the boarding, once a limited number of passengers board each train.

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Unusual situation. Probably with Line 3 and/or Line 11 having a problem. You easily see it's not a normal situation because people was dispersed with lacrimogen bombs.

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This is an usual situation. But it will not be like this forever, once "Embarque Melhor" will be implemented there.

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A very different situation, showing how educated are some people in the system. What we are concluding with this video about the entire system? Nothing.


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This is prior the "Embarque melhor" implementation, so it's not like this anymore. Yes, the station is still very crowded (this will solved only with Line 4 and other alternatives), but people don't have direct access from crowd to the train.

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Other video made when the "Embarque melhor" did not existed yet.

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People embark running like it was a run for their lives even when the train is empty.
Yeah, this is the every day situation: people act like desperate animals running for their lives. They do anything for an empty place. In other lines, in situations very similar to this (even in this station, where are two other lines in the same level), people don't act like this.


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One station of Line 11 had to be closed couple years ago. It has been completely vandalized and destroyed many times within one year: the government gave up and the station will be demolished for good. Check location of the problematic station here:
Incorrect information. Aracaré is in operation, and it is from Line 12, not Line 11. The station that was demolished was Engenheiro Trindade, in 1999. In that epoch, vandalism was very big. Since then, investiments turned Line 12 from the worst line to a good line. The modernization was not completed yet, so there are old stations and not only new trains, but all old trains (which had wood patches in the floor, and were very vandalised) are in good conditions now.
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I corrected the first part of the information. Moreover, I just want to break the celebration-tone of this thread and show the other side of the overused and exhausted Sao Paulo train system. Some of these threads on this sub-section are only concerned with the shinny, bright aspect of those systems like it were a train appreciation thread, with complete disregard to facts or shortcoming - be it in Sao Paulo, Taijnin, København, Kinasha...
I don't see any problem in showing the problems of the system. But I consider a "OMG, the system is scary" approach inadequate. What we saw here was a very poor presentation of the problems, showing some extreme situations (some are not, some are daily situations). But in general, every day the system have some problems, most of them being attacked in some way (by making some operational changes, or buying more trains, or constructing new lines).

If you are clever enough, and I know you are, you will see that you showed only two lines in that videos. What we can see about it? The lines 3 and 11 are the most problematic lines. Most of 50% of the problems caused by overcrowding come from them. If you search for problems in other lines, you will encounter overcrowding too, but the horror show we see in the past videos will not be repeated.

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And, no, I don't consider those stampedes unusual situations. If they were, there would never be a need for containment fences more keen to rock concerts on pack stadia or else... The overcrowd of Sao Paulo's system is bringing it to the verge of collapse.
No, it will not. The system is very crowded but more and more people are using the system, and it is not collapsing. More and more measures to limit the quantity of passengers using the system (such as limiting the quantity of entrance turnstiles, turning off escalators and limiting the direct access to trains in the platforms - "Embarque melhor") are taken.

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I'd suggest an increase in fares to disincentive non-essential travel on the system and shifting trips to cars and motorcycles.
This will not be a good measure and will lead in general vandalism, because people who most need the system will not accept this, because they don't have a car or a motorcycle.

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