Post-war reconstruction of Elbląg - Page 4

Mr. America · September 15th, 2012, 06:56 PM

Why?

RS_UK-PL · October 16th, 2012, 07:15 PM

Before WW2 (Paul Zalewski Shop)

Reconstruction after WW2 (has been finished in June 2008)

Hed_Kandi · October 18th, 2012, 11:44 PM

^ That's crazy! It looks better now than it did before the war.

dustinmyveins · October 19th, 2012, 11:11 AM

I think the current reconstruction of the old town is totally shambolic, and it is such for a number of reasons. It is sad, as historical reconstruction doesn't cost more than the so called "retroversion" and it looks much better. There are examples of a very successful historic reconstruction in Elblag, but in my mind the overall scheme seems chaotic and based on a somewhat wrong planning and esthetic concept.
Historical reconstruction is possible, and should be reinforced especially if the investment is state- backed. This is what should have happened in case of the Old Town Town Hall built according to the retroversion principles, the result of which was a tacky design of glass and brick and steel. Below a fantastic example of historic reconstruction of a state owned building from Poznan- Zamek Krolewski/ Gora Przemysla (Royal Castle. Przemysl Hill in the corner of the Old Town district), originally erected in the Middle Ages, rebuilt in the Renaissance and wiped out in February 1945:

more on:

http://main3.amu.edu.pl/~kozk/index....=36&Itemid=34#

Mr. America · October 19th, 2012, 11:43 AM

Nope. Castle in Poznań was destroyed mainly in 17th and 18th century, and this, what was rebuild, is rather retroversion, not reconstruction. They didn't know how exactly castle looked like, so they decided to make architectural competition, and they chosen this project.

bolg · October 20th, 2012, 02:22 AM

Why reconstruct it in bricks? Surely the original wasn't, was it?

The same question goes for the Paul Zalewski Shop.

RS_UK-PL · October 20th, 2012, 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bolg

Surely the original wasn't, was it?

Actually, both were constructed of bricks.

Raf124 · November 1st, 2012, 11:52 PM

Why couldn't they just do the right reconstruction ? These post-modern buildings are awful.

RS_UK-PL · January 5th, 2013, 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RS_UK-PL

Only 6 tenement houses (out of over 300, edit) in Elblag weren't completely destroyed during the war and were restored after 1945:

Gothic house at Sw.Ducha 13 has been recently renovated...

More: http://elblag.wm.pl/127843,Najstarsz...#axzz2H7acvGN0

TheReconstructer · January 5th, 2013, 06:33 PM

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TheReconstructer · January 5th, 2013, 06:38 PM

Nice renovation. But I'm still dissapointed that they won't do more reconstructions. Doesn't matter if that'll cost more, the results will be more beautiful.

RS_UK-PL · January 5th, 2013, 08:04 PM

As far as I know, less than 10 faithful reconstructions (plus a lot of pomo developments - link, link2, link3, link4) within historic district are planned for 2013 in Elblag

mike016 might know more.

Specjal Pub (Granary Island, Autumn 2013):

More: http://www.portel.pl/artykul.php3?i=61623

TheReconstructer · January 5th, 2013, 10:46 PM

The Specjal Pub looks great! Thanks for posting

TheReconstructer · January 5th, 2013, 10:53 PM

Otherwise, the buildings in the links are not to 'awesome'.....

Mr. America · January 5th, 2013, 11:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RS_UK-PL

As far as I know, less than 10 faithful reconstructions

Specjal Pub, Querhaus, and...? What more is planned for 2013?

Urbanista1 · January 6th, 2013, 12:11 AM

like Granary Island. Most of the new construction is not post-modern but rather historicist (or historic-like), pomo is a whole either design language that borrows historical motifs de-ployed over larger scale structures sometimes, hence its overall stylicstic failure. Historicist can be ok as long as vernacular silhouettes, massing, proportions, heights frontages etc are maintained. Elblag looks ok to quite nice. Will see this summer when im in Poland.

wish they would rebuild original building to left of this one:

TheReconstructer · January 6th, 2013, 12:42 AM

What exactly kind of building stood next to that house?

RS_UK-PL · January 6th, 2013, 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urbanista1

like Granary Island. Most of the new construction is not post-modern but rather historicist (or historic-like), pomo is a whole either design language that borrows historical motifs de-ployed over larger scale structures sometimes, hence its overall stylicstic failure. Historicist can be ok as long as vernacular silhouettes, massing, proportions, heights frontages etc are maintained.

Incorrect. The architectural style is called postmodernism or by some, retroversion. It has nothing to do with historicist style as you can see here:

I do not see any gothic, rennesaince, baroque, etc. elements.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urbanista1

wish they would rebuild original building to left of this one

On the left side, there was "Shop-keepers" house (Garbary 29) which sooner or later will be reconstructed...

Btw, Low and High bridges reconstructions will be completed in 2013. Other planned faithful reconstructions include:
Bednarska 10
Bednarska 30

High Bridge (by Spox38)...

RS_UK-PL · January 6th, 2013, 10:46 AM

Hopefully, Old Town in Elblag in a year ~2050

By boudziou

Old Town in 70s:

TheReconstructer · January 6th, 2013, 01:05 PM

Well, at least the buildings they are going to reconstruct look really great on the pictures.....

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October 19th, 2012, 11:43 AM	#65
Mr. America przestrzeń-ludzie-miasto Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Krakau Posts: 7,378	Nope. Castle in Poznań was destroyed mainly in 17th and 18th century, and this, what was rebuild, is rather retroversion, not reconstruction. They didn't know how exactly castle looked like, so they decided to make architectural competition, and they chosen this project. __________________ [Kraków] Subiektywne spacery _____________________________ Polskie Prusy Wschodnie - Elbląg i Olsztyn Pomorze Przednie i Tylne - śladami gotyku ceglanego Śladami gotyku, Lutra i niemieckiego porządku - Magdeburg, Wittenberga i Opole NOWOŚĆ! Szlakiem jagiellońskim - Lublin, Kazimierz Dolny i Sandomierz

January 5th, 2013, 06:33 PM	#70
TheReconstructer Registered User Join Date: May 2011 Location: Hoorn Posts: 480 Likes (Received): 37	delete Last edited by TheReconstructer; January 5th, 2013 at 06:40 PM.

January 5th, 2013, 06:38 PM	#71
TheReconstructer Registered User Join Date: May 2011 Location: Hoorn Posts: 480 Likes (Received): 37	Nice renovation. But I'm still dissapointed that they won't do more reconstructions. Doesn't matter if that'll cost more, the results will be more beautiful. __________________ Westfryslân moin thuus!

January 5th, 2013, 08:04 PM	#72
RS_UK-PL Registered User Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 1,283 Likes (Received): 305	As far as I know, less than 10 faithful reconstructions (plus a lot of pomo developments - link, link2, link3, link4) within historic district are planned for 2013 in Elblag mike016 might know more. Specjal Pub (Granary Island, Autumn 2013): More: http://www.portel.pl/artykul.php3?i=61623 Last edited by RS_UK-PL; January 5th, 2013 at 09:18 PM.

October 16th, 2012, 07:15 PM	#62
RS_UK-PL Registered User Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 1,283 Likes (Received): 305	Before WW2 (Paul Zalewski Shop) Reconstruction after WW2 (has been finished in June 2008)

October 18th, 2012, 11:44 PM	#63
Hed_Kandi Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,536 Likes (Received): 398	^ That's crazy! It looks better now than it did before the war.

October 19th, 2012, 11:11 AM	#64
dustinmyveins Registered User Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 1 Likes (Received): 0	I think the current reconstruction of the old town is totally shambolic, and it is such for a number of reasons. It is sad, as historical reconstruction doesn't cost more than the so called "retroversion" and it looks much better. There are examples of a very successful historic reconstruction in Elblag, but in my mind the overall scheme seems chaotic and based on a somewhat wrong planning and esthetic concept. Historical reconstruction is possible, and should be reinforced especially if the investment is state- backed. This is what should have happened in case of the Old Town Town Hall built according to the retroversion principles, the result of which was a tacky design of glass and brick and steel. Below a fantastic example of historic reconstruction of a state owned building from Poznan- Zamek Krolewski/ Gora Przemysla (Royal Castle. Przemysl Hill in the corner of the Old Town district), originally erected in the Middle Ages, rebuilt in the Renaissance and wiped out in February 1945: more on: http://main3.amu.edu.pl/~kozk/index....=36&Itemid=34#

October 20th, 2012, 02:22 AM	#66
bolg Registered User Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Stockholm Posts: 290 Likes (Received): 36	Why reconstruct it in bricks? Surely the original wasn't, was it? The same question goes for the Paul Zalewski Shop.

November 1st, 2012, 11:52 PM	#68
Raf124 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,066 Likes (Received): 191	Why couldn't they just do the right reconstruction ? These post-modern buildings are awful.

January 5th, 2013, 10:46 PM	#73
TheReconstructer Registered User Join Date: May 2011 Location: Hoorn Posts: 480 Likes (Received): 37	The Specjal Pub looks great! Thanks for posting __________________ Westfryslân moin thuus!

January 5th, 2013, 10:53 PM	#74
TheReconstructer Registered User Join Date: May 2011 Location: Hoorn Posts: 480 Likes (Received): 37	Otherwise, the buildings in the links are not to 'awesome'..... __________________ Westfryslân moin thuus!

January 6th, 2013, 12:11 AM	#76
Urbanista1 Location: Here and Now Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 4,287 Likes (Received): 98	like Granary Island. Most of the new construction is not post-modern but rather historicist (or historic-like), pomo is a whole either design language that borrows historical motifs de-ployed over larger scale structures sometimes, hence its overall stylicstic failure. Historicist can be ok as long as vernacular silhouettes, massing, proportions, heights frontages etc are maintained. Elblag looks ok to quite nice. Will see this summer when im in Poland. wish they would rebuild original building to left of this one: __________________ See Photos of Krakow - Florence of the North Warsaw Post-War Reconstruction to Present

January 6th, 2013, 12:42 AM	#77
TheReconstructer Registered User Join Date: May 2011 Location: Hoorn Posts: 480 Likes (Received): 37	What exactly kind of building stood next to that house? __________________ Westfryslân moin thuus!

January 6th, 2013, 10:46 AM	#79
RS_UK-PL Registered User Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 1,283 Likes (Received): 305	Hopefully, Old Town in Elblag in a year ~2050 By boudziou Old Town in 70s: __________________ Post-war reconstruction of Gdansk Post-war reconstruction of Elblag Palazzo in fortezza in Kingdom of Poland BELFAST Beautiful cities in Poland Second Polish Republic Last edited by RS_UK-PL; January 7th, 2013 at 01:01 PM.

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TheReconstructer Registered User Join Date: May 2011 Location: Hoorn Posts: 480 Likes (Received): 37	Well, at least the buildings they are going to reconstruct look really great on the pictures..... __________________ Westfryslân moin thuus!

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