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Old January 7th, 2013, 02:38 PM   #81
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Below a fantastic example of historic reconstruction of a state owned building from Poznan- Zamek Krolewski/ Gora Przemysla (Royal Castle. Przemysl Hill in the corner of the Old Town district), originally erected in the Middle Ages, rebuilt in the Renaissance and wiped out in February 1945:
It's hard to enumerate how many ways it's botched. Ahistorical fantasy.
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Old January 7th, 2013, 06:59 PM   #82
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Bednarska Street (first half of the 19th century)




Bednarska 23 (from 1651)


Bednarska 30 (from 1651)


In my opinion, all houses at Bednarska street should be carefully rebuilt to the pre-1772 state. The street was almost as beautiful as Long Market in Gdansk. Also, I would love to see reconstruction of the Hercules well (more), Artus Court, few granaries, etc. (link)

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Old January 7th, 2013, 08:00 PM   #83
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Thanks for this interesting thead on a city I knew nothing about. Poland is going through a remarkable rebuilding of it's lost heritage and while there can be arguments about how exactly various projects should be done, it's gratifying to see such a transformation of a country so terribly blighted by WW2 and the Communist era. Can't wait to revisit your wonderful country.
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Old January 8th, 2013, 11:56 AM   #84
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Interior of St.Nicholas Cathedral

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Old January 8th, 2013, 12:02 PM   #85
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Elblag in 70s


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Old January 9th, 2013, 02:17 PM   #86
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Piekarczyk monument (baker who was a hero of the defence of the city against Teutonic Knights in 1521)





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Old January 10th, 2013, 01:36 AM   #87
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I love to see pics about reconstruction cities.
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Old January 30th, 2013, 06:49 PM   #88
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The picture of destroyed Gdansk old town.
http://www.forum.dawnygdansk.pl/file...40x480_197.jpg

For me, very similar to our post IInd war pictures of destroyed Elblad. The scale of destroyed was similar - the pic. shows it (anybady know?). Now, the Gdansk old town is very nice. For sure, due to the beauty of Elblag's bricks! Gdansk had mach more lucky than Elblag. It is possibility to reconstruct old bulidings. There were possibilities in 50' and 60' 20th century, now the technology is better, but Elblag has only a small number of reconstructions.
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Old January 30th, 2013, 08:40 PM   #89
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Maybe in the future the Old Town of Elblag will be a great example of post-modern reconstruction of destroyed historical cities.....
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Old January 30th, 2013, 08:44 PM   #90
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soem historic buildings should be rebuilt, key, unique landmark buildings to enhance sense of place, add historic charm and maintain continuity.
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Warsaw Post-War Reconstruction to Present
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Old February 2nd, 2013, 12:40 AM   #92
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In the last pic, the town looks very lovely.
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Wel done Poland!!!

Polish reconstruction efforts are immensely superior to German ones.
The only thing they refuse to reconstruct are the typically German Gründerzeit and Wilhelminian structures built from 1870 to 1918, inclusive Jugenstil bauten and Art Deco.
These structures however made the cities looking GREAT then. So not reconstructing them make cities looking much less urbanized and "smaller".
Because they look so "German" they are removed where possible and not reconstructed (also not by the Germans themselves......).

Some reparation is done in Görlitz, Leipzig and Halle, but efforts remain very low especially in Berlin.
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One of the last coins made by Elblag (Elbingensis) mint before Partitions of Poland (the city was annexed by "German" Prussia in 1772).

The coin was minted during the reign of King Augustus III of Poland.

PS. The mint in Elblag was one of the best in the whole Polish Crown and I really believe there are enough collections to open Numismatic Museum of Elblag.

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In the last pic, the town looks very lovely.
But the architecture is mediocre at best.
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In my opinion, local authorities and investors should consider faithful reconstruction of the first ship (galleon "Dragon") built for Polish Navy in Elblag between 1570 and 1572.



More: http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smok_(okręt)
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RS UK-PL, you propose some very good ideas for Elblag's revitalization - museum and that galeon 'Dragon' are superb ideas, not all historic recons have to be buildings.

btw, one thing I like more about modern Elblag is that the density (of what has been rebuilt) is higher than pre-war, buildings have on average 2 more floors....that;s a good precedent to maintain...but I still hope more historic buildings come back, it's essential to city character.
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Old February 3rd, 2013, 06:26 PM   #98
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Polish reconstruction efforts are immensely superior to German ones.
The only thing they refuse to reconstruct are the typically German Gründerzeit and Wilhelminian structures built from 1870 to 1918, inclusive Jugenstil bauten and Art Deco.
These structures however made the cities looking GREAT then. So not reconstructing them make cities looking much less urbanized and "smaller".
Because they look so "German" they are removed where possible and not reconstructed (also not by the Germans themselves......).

Some reparation is done in Görlitz, Leipzig and Halle, but efforts remain very low especially in Berlin.
Historicist buildings have been looked down to as rubbish by modernists. It is only recently that some people challenge that view and consider also historicist buildings as great architectural heritage. I think this is not limited to "German" style (does such a thing exist in first place?) historicism.

It is possible though that in Poland you have an additional factor of ethnic rewriting of architectural history by selective reconstruction. I don't know.
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Piekarczyk Day (8th March has been reinstated as a holiday as it was before 1772)

More: http://www.portel.pl/artykul.php3?i=55870

During wars between Kingdom of Poland and Teutonic Order (link), in March 1521 year, one of the Teutonic Order squads intended insidiously to conquer Elblag. This intention was frustrated by baker (Piekarczyk) journeyman, who cut off the line with the shovel which was holding harrow and thanks to this the invasion of the enemy was impossible.
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Some of the granaries built in Elblag before Partitions of Poland (most of these buildings have been destroyed by fire in the late 19th century)

Unfortunately, not reconstructed after the war.
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