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Old May 23rd, 2012, 09:50 PM   #21
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That is not quite true. The influence is 2-way. For example, the blue backround on the direction signs was in use in Finland before Sweden made updates to their palette. The original Swedish colour was very dark blue, almost black. The signs marking the beginning and the end of a populated are was taken into use first in Finland.


Road class indicated by the sign color in Finland
Sorry I deleted half of your post in the quote there, thank you for clearing that up. Road lay-out on motorways is virtually the same though, don´t you agree?
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Old May 23rd, 2012, 10:15 PM   #22
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Looking at the Nordic countries, you surely see large degrees of overlap. Sweden and Finland using the same font and some comparable signage. The route shields with dotted border are all over the Nordics, and there are some more. But it's a long way from "pretty much the same" in a manner comparable to Oz and NZ, France and some of its former colonies etc.

Regarding Russia, I have never seen signs from the far East, but all signs that I have seen, it seems like there has always been a fairly consistent approach throughout the former USSR. So that would be all the way to Vladiwostok.
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Old May 24th, 2012, 12:42 AM   #23
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What to think about Luxembourg?

When I passed Luxembourg, it seems they have a mix of French, Belgium and German styles.

French: bleu highway signs and a white exit-sign (only different is the names aren't written in capital letters like in France)
Belgium: sum (fork)arrows looked like as in Belgium
German: yellow signs (non-highway)

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Old May 24th, 2012, 10:17 AM   #24
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Road lay-out on motorways is virtually the same though, don´t you agree?
True. The systems are very similar, and same standards are followed. Still, many details reveal on which side of the border you are driving. The E roads do not have a national numbers in Sweden, for instance.

For example, the layout of the direction signs is different, especially when the signs show multiple destinations:

http://maps.google.fi/maps?q=V%C3%A4...56.53,,1,-2.73

http://maps.google.fi/?ll=61.484693,...55.16,,1,-4.23

The motorway exit type where the secondary road makes a roundabout is common in Sweden, but not in Finland:

http://maps.google.fi/maps?q=link%C3...uotsi&t=k&z=16

I think this one at the east end of the road 11 is the only such an exit on motorways in Finland:

http://maps.google.fi/maps?q=Kalkku,...mpere&t=m&z=16

One thing is pretty different: How far away is the target location of the signage. For example, the whole E4 in Sweden is signed in three sections: From Helsingborg to Stockholm 560 km, then to Sundsvall 380 km, and finally to Haparanda 650 km. The span of the signage in Finland is usually much shorter. The longest road 4/E75 in Finland has seven sections in terms of signage: Helsinki to Lahti 100 km, then to Jyväskylä 170 km, to Oulu 340 km, to Kemi 105 km, to Rovaniemi 115 km, to Ivalo 290 km, and to Utsjoki at the Norwegian border 165 km. There are no many road sections showing destinations more than 300 kilometers away.

Earlier, there was a unique road type in Sweden: The 1+1 road with wide hard shoulders, totalling 13 metres in width (2.75+3.75+3.75+2.75=13m). Those were rather accident-intensive, and most of those have been converted either to 1+1 roads with wide lanes (1.00+5.50+5.50+1.00 metres) or 2+1 roads with middle separation (1.00+3.75+3.50+3.75+1.00 metres). Nothing similar was ever built in Finland.
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Old May 24th, 2012, 04:08 PM   #25
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Signage in Andorra pretty much mimics Spanish standards. There are some endemic signs due to the particular layout of some roads (the whole CG-1, for instance, looks like a set of experiments for traffic management), and the font is a bit different, but both standards are impossible to differentiate for a non-specialist.

Same for Monaco, where they copied the French standard.
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Needless to say, road signs in San Marino are identical to the Italian ones.
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Old May 24th, 2012, 05:05 PM   #27
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Liechtenstein is exactly the same as in Switzerland.
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Old May 24th, 2012, 05:53 PM   #28
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For example, the layout of the direction signs is different, especially when the signs show multiple destinations.
On motorways it's not that different, but in general your signs/our older signs looked quite alike. Like so: http://g.co/maps/pgy6z (the layout)

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The motorway exit type where the secondary road makes a roundabout is common in Sweden, but not in Finland:

http://maps.google.fi/maps?q=link%C3...uotsi&t=k&z=16
That interchange is techinally not a roundabout, but a traffic circle (entering traffic has priority). It's a dreaded interchange around here.
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Same for Monaco, where they copied the French standard.
Except for the font on the directional signs, which seems to differ from the usual French Charactères font. Not sure where that comes from ...
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From Monaco. Warning signs are slightly different as well.
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Old May 25th, 2012, 12:11 AM   #31
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That interchange is techinally not a roundabout, but a traffic circle (entering traffic has priority).
I do not believe such a global terminological rule exists in reality. The priority schemes are about country-specific jurisdiction, not about technology. I am sure we can rather safely call that exit or junction or interchange a roundabout or a traffic circle.
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I do not believe such a global terminological rule exists in reality. The priority schemes are about country-specific jurisdiction, not about technology. I am sure we can rather safely call that exit or junction or interchange a roundabout or a traffic circle.
Well, take a look in street view and you'll see it's not a roundabout.
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Old May 25th, 2012, 01:55 AM   #33
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Cuban in-city signs are exactly the same as in Spain. Same font, same colour coding, same symbols:

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Chilean arrows are a mix between German and Spanish ones. Exit arrows are Spanish, "normal" arrows pointing forward are German:


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Old May 25th, 2012, 07:52 AM   #34
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Well, take a look in street view and you'll see it's not a roundabout.
Of course it is a roundabout. It may not match with the definition of the term "circulationsplats" in the Swedish road traffic act, but that is a totally different thing.
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Old May 25th, 2012, 07:54 AM   #35
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Road sings & marking style in Brunei are similar to those in Singapore

From pics Qatari roads & highways use almost similar road sign & marking as in UAE
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Cuban in-city signs are exactly the same as in Spain. Same font, same colour coding, same symbols:
That's certainly true for those signs that you posted and for one or two others signs that can be found in Havana. But the rest of Cuba leaves a scattered picture. Signage is scarce in the first place, signage less than 30 years old even more scarce. At least that was the case in 2005. And while the newer signs had some similarities to Spanish signs, that was about it. For one, motorways were signposted in green.

My takeaway at the time was that the contract to signpost Central Havana was won by a Spanish company (or granted as a form of aid), following which that company simply placed signs as he was used to at home. Also in light of a lack in clear local guidelines. You see that in parts of Africa too, for instance where you see one or two "South African" signs in Nigeria between other signs in all sorts of styles.
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Of course it is a roundabout. It may not match with the definition of the term "circulationsplats" in the Swedish road traffic act, but that is a totally different thing.
Please mr-know-it-all, roundabouts doesn't have exit/merging lanes, and thus it's not a roundabout.
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Old May 25th, 2012, 11:04 AM   #38
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Is it possible than at Liechtenstein, Andorra, San Marino, Monaco, they are so similar to the neighbour country just because they will buy there the signals?
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That's certainly true for those signs that you posted and for one or two others signs that can be found in Havana. But the rest of Cuba leaves a scattered picture. Signage is scarce in the first place, signage less than 30 years old even more scarce. At least that was the case in 2005. And while the newer signs had some similarities to Spanish signs, that was about it. For one, motorways were signposted in green.

My takeaway at the time was that the contract to signpost Central Havana was won by a Spanish company (or granted as a form of aid), following which that company simply placed signs as he was used to at home. Also in light of a lack in clear local guidelines. You see that in parts of Africa too, for instance where you see one or two "South African" signs in Nigeria between other signs in all sorts of styles.
Yeah, I think it may be the same as in Chile, Spanish companies building roads and signs.

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Is it possible than at Liechtenstein, Andorra, San Marino, Monaco, they are so similar to the neighbour country just because they will buy there the signals?
Well, it is very likely that award signposting contracts to companies from the countries they get most influence from. Andorra is way more Spanish than French, so signage will obviously follow the Spanish way.
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Morocco = copy of France.
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