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Old June 6th, 2012, 10:33 PM   #321
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Thanks. I don't have much problems reading english but when it was very hard for me to translate this small text.


On another subject, you may want to look at the history of the métro of Charleroi: it is unfinished with some abandoned section.

http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charleroi_Pre-metro
Yeah, I think if you do the Safari you go to some abandoned stations. So I missed that. I didn't even ride all the metro which I will definitely do when I go back.

I also don't think I even saw the main square in the center of Charleroi

There is a lot to be seen there.
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Old June 6th, 2012, 10:36 PM   #322
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BTW, the metro there seemed to have VERY low ridership. I think I saw a grand total of maybe 10 other riders the whole time I used it. It was really, really empty. And I think I was on it around 6 or 7 pm on a Wednesday.
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Old June 6th, 2012, 10:48 PM   #323
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That metro is Charleroi is a bit amputated. This map explanes everything:


The red lines was the network they planed (very, very, very much overdone) and the other lines are the one that were actually build. The blue lines are actually taken in exploitation and the green lines are there but not in use (the map shows the situation of 2005).

The strange thing is the line that is taken into use is going true very low populated areas. So it's very ineffective.

To improve usage in 2012 a few parts were taking into use: the 'ring' is now complete and the extension to Soleilmont. Also a new tramline to the north (line 3) will open in 2013. Now the network looks like this:



The line to Anderleus is still underused but the rest of the network is now not as useless as it used to be. So it improved a lot.

The line to Châtelet is right now the only line left that is completely build (even the stations are fully finished with escalators and all) but not in use. Here you can find a photo reportage on the subject.

EDIT: I also found a good ENglish site: http://diggelfjoer.swalker.nl/index....sub=abandcharl

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Old June 6th, 2012, 11:09 PM   #324
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Another tip: If you're interested in the early period of industrialization, then you can find some traces of it in the Charleroi area.
Le Grand-Hornu: http://www.grand-hornu.be/flashversion.html
and http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Grand-Hornu
Bois du Luc: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bois-du-Luc. Bois du Luc is in La Louvière, so you already know where to find it.

I only visited the first site, but it was very impressive. The whole factory complex still exists, surounded by a very large neighbourhood with old workers houses, that were provided by the factory. It's actually a 19th century planned city, built around a factory.
I don't think there are many places like it in the world. If so, it would be in England.

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Old June 6th, 2012, 11:58 PM   #325
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Unreported employment (I don't know the right English word for it. We call it 'working in black') is also rather rule than exception in horeca and for people like plumbers and handymen.
I think the correct English word for that is "moonlighting"
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Old June 7th, 2012, 03:23 AM   #326
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Another tip: If you're interested in the early period of industrialization, then you can find some traces of it in the Charleroi area.
Le Grand-Hornu: http://www.grand-hornu.be/flashversion.html
and http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Grand-Hornu
Bois du Luc: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bois-du-Luc. Bois du Luc is in La Louvière, so you already know where to find it.

I only visited the first site, but it was very impressive. The whole factory complex still exists, surounded by a very large neighbourhood with old workers houses, that were provided by the factory. It's actually a 19th century planned city, built around a factory.
I don't think there are many places like it in the world. If so, it would be in England.
The industrial villages look very interesting. Indeed I have seen some of them. I went to Port Sunlight near Liverpool in England and Saltaire which is a little ways outside Leeds, also in England. They were quite nice and if you go to my "England of the Industrial Revolution" trip report you'll see LOTS of pictures of both of them.

It would be interesting to see the French and Belgian ones to be able to compare them.
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Old June 7th, 2012, 06:33 AM   #327
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I will be busy for a few days so the writing of the next entries will have to wait a bit.

But rest assured - there is more to come. Here are some hints:

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While I'm away we'll see who can figure out where and what these are.

The first one is a total softball, the second not so much, and the third one will only be for someone who knows their stuff.

See ya in a bit...
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Old June 7th, 2012, 10:25 AM   #328
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First is ofcourse brussels. The 2nd pic is Germany and that last one is Germany 100%.I have no idea where though. Ruhr area has hundreds of places like that.
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Old June 7th, 2012, 10:25 AM   #329
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I wonder if they still need this motorway in the middle of the city. Other towns would have closed it a long time ago.

Why wouldn't we need it? It makes the city centre easily reachable (especially when you know that Charleroi is quite sprawl and disorganized).

Of course, It's quite horrible on a aesthetic point of view, the elevated part also violently cut some part of the city. But somehow It kind of match with the brutal landscape of Charleroi. Beside, destroy it and make a full tunneled ring would cost billions that we can't afford.



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I was quite sad to be leaving Charleroi after such a brief stay, less than a day. But I had accomplished my main objectives - seeing the canal locks and checking out some of the industrial sections of Charleroi. [...]
There was so much left to explore - the coal mines and industrial museum, more of the canals, the residential districts and center, the small city of Louviere. For anyone interested in industrial heritage this city calls for at least 3 or 4 days.
Yes, it's important to keep in mind for people watching this thread that you had little time seeing the town and you really wanted to focus on the industrial sides. I'm glad you enjoyed your trip and I hope you'll come back once to see all the others stuff left to see
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Old June 7th, 2012, 10:31 AM   #330
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This is a VERY INTERESTING thread...thank you
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Old June 7th, 2012, 10:35 AM   #331
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The second pictures can be somewhere between Eschweiler and Langerwehe, in Germany. Kinda reminds of what i see sitting in the train to cologne.
The last picture is taken in Aachen, Germany. That`s the university hospital of Aachen. This building is so spacious. I was there a few times and it always felt like beeing in a spaceship from the inside of the building.
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Old June 8th, 2012, 01:39 PM   #332
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The whole concept and idea of someone organizing and making money out of a post-industrial safari is
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Old June 8th, 2012, 02:59 PM   #333
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And why is that?
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Old June 8th, 2012, 03:03 PM   #334
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it is called "Euratechnologies"
An old fabric which was transformed on a companies informatics campus (cisco,ibm etc...) are there.


just look here :

http://www.google.fr/search?q=eurate...w=1230&bih=749
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Old June 8th, 2012, 03:10 PM   #335
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I just find it pretty violent.... at least on a symbolical level. People making money out of industrial desolation and unemployment, as if the local poverty was just a fun social movie a la city of god you go see while eating popcorns, feel a bit of a rush, and then back to your daily life. Like going to the zoo or something, hell, even the expression "safari" kind of hints towards it. These things just tend to make me uncomfortable
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I don't see it that way, particularly if it's locals organising it. They are showing their heritage.
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Old June 8th, 2012, 04:13 PM   #337
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I just find it pretty violent.... at least on a symbolical level. People making money out of industrial desolation and unemployment, as if the local poverty was just a fun social movie a la city of god you go see while eating popcorns, feel a bit of a rush, and then back to your daily life. Like going to the zoo or something, hell, even the expression "safari" kind of hints towards it. These things just tend to make me uncomfortable
It's a way of getting employment for at least a few people
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It is the headquarter of local/regional trade center or economic and commercial activities
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I just find it pretty violent.... at least on a symbolical level. People making money out of industrial desolation and unemployment, as if the local poverty was just a fun social movie a la city of god you go see while eating popcorns, feel a bit of a rush, and then back to your daily life. Like going to the zoo or something, hell, even the expression "safari" kind of hints towards it. These things just tend to make me uncomfortable
Without Urbex tourist Charleroi would have no tourist at all. Urbex tourist are also tourist. They also spent in the city so it's benefiting the economy.
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I think it's very good that the industrial heritage of the region is being promoted and there are people interested in it. It would be very sad if we would just neglect this important part of our history.
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