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Old March 26th, 2015, 02:02 AM   #1
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Postterminal

Danica and the world's biggest investor, Blackrock, have just announced the purchase of Københavns Postterminal, close to the Central Station, for DKK 925 mio.

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Danica skal nu udvikle grunden i et enormt byggeprojekt på samlet 125.000 kvadratmeter. Prisen på hele projektet ventes i alt at løbe op i fem milliarder kroner, erfarer Berlingske.

Ifølge Berlingskes oplysninger er planen, at en del af postterminalen skal rives ned, og at der skal opføres nye bygninger, der både kan huse kontorer, boliger samt flere hoteller. Dertil kommer formentlig, at der i stueetagen skal gøres plads til både detailhandel, restauranter og caféer.
(Source: Berlingske)

To summarize - rumours included:
  • Multiple hotels, offices, apartments and retail in the bottom floors (let's hope the floor count difference between the retail floors and the very top floors is going to be significant! )
  • DKK 5 billion investment.
  • 150.000 sqm.

This project has just been mentioned in the discussion thread, but no reason not to have a separate thread. It's going to be huge!

According to the video on Berlingske Bussines, CPH's Lord Mayor, Frank Jensen, hopes this will develop into a mini London-like business district. Judging by this aerial below, why not? After all, 150.000 sqm. is more than three Gherkins or 1.5 Shards. The video also mentions that building tall is a necessity.



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Old March 26th, 2015, 02:29 AM   #2
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Ole Krohn fra TV2 News:

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Old March 26th, 2015, 02:32 AM   #3
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Ifølge TV2 Finans bliver det arkitektfirmaet Lundgaard og Tranberg, der har fået opgaven med at designe den nye bydel.
Well things are definitely not getting less interesting.
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Old March 26th, 2015, 02:36 AM   #4
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200m+ is probably to much to ask for, but I could see a 150 meter tower standing there.
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Old March 26th, 2015, 02:45 AM   #5
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200m+ is probably to much to ask for, but I could see a 150 meter tower standing there.
Come on Anders, you can do better than that
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Old March 26th, 2015, 09:28 AM   #6
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Oops already posted hard to see on a small screen. Anyway great projekt!!

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According to DR and TV2 Lundberg and Tranberg have ben hird for the design:
http://mobil.dr.dk/smartphone/#artik.../25/181454.htm


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Old March 26th, 2015, 03:21 PM   #7
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Danica overtager ejerskabet af det nyerhvervede område den 1. juli. Hotellet i det gamle Post Danmark-hovedkvarter kan herefter stå færdigt allerede i 2017, mens de nye bygninger på nabogrunden forventes klar i 2018-20. Området forventes sammenlagt at give op til 10.000 kontorarbejdspladser.
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Old March 26th, 2015, 03:49 PM   #8
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Press release from Danica Pension.

Interesting tidbits:
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    Grundareal: 39.294 m2
    Nybyggeri: ca. 125.000 m2
    Investering: ca. 5 mia. kr.
    Byggefase: 2016-2020
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    det vil rumme 6.000–10.000 nye arbejdspladser. Det vil være en blanding af kontorbygninger og multibrugerhuse samt attraktive lokaler for virksomheder, forvaltninger og organisationer. København mangler nye moder- ne kontorbygninger, der er fleksible og lever op til nutidens krav til en arbejdsplads. Vi planlægger at opføre knap 100.000 m2 kontorlokaler.
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    Derfor ligger det i visionen at etablere et rekreativt grønt parkforløb – en Københavnsk fortolkning af High line Park i New York – med attraktive opholdszoner gennem området og en direkte forbindelse til Kalvebod Brygge og til broforbindelsen over havnen. Det vil sikre området store kvaliteter i form af sikker færdsel helt fra Hovedbanen og ned til havnen og til Amager. Områdets naturlige niveau- forskelle giver også mulighed for en attraktiv adskillelse af gående og cyklende fra den tunge trafik

Man, probably Copenhagen's most exciting project yet.
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Old March 26th, 2015, 04:28 PM   #9
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Lyder helt vildt spændende.

Fantastisk hvis de får lov til at opføre projektet med en bebyggelses procent på lige godt 300! Det er vel trods alt svært at gøre uden at bygge rimelig højt

Fantastisk hvis de fortsætter ideen med de hævede udendørsområder, som også gør sig gældende for projekterne mellem Carsten Niebuhrs Gade og Kalvebod Brygge fra Bernstorrfsgade ned til Dybbøls Bro. Personligt håber jeg de fortsætter denne ide om en hævet park hen over bane terrænnet til Vesterbro/DGIbyen/Kødbyen
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Byggefase: 2016-2020
Så har de travlt hvis der skal laves ny lokalplan!
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Old March 26th, 2015, 04:45 PM   #11
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Derfor ligger det i visionen at etablere et rekreativt grønt parkforløb – en Københavnsk fortolkning af High line Park i New York
I hope these guys will be innovative though. Reading about a High Line Park in København I have this feeling of deja vu.

I.e. if you like me, live in Aarhus, you have heard of this before. We are also going to have a High Line park ... That is apparently the cool thing these days?
Concerning such matching projects in Aarhus and Copenhagen I also note that we have "Ceresbyen" - you have "CarlsbergByen" .. I don't know who was first there... There there is Havneholmen .. I guess you guys got there first.
But if a neighborhood in this new project is going to be called FrederiksPlads - I am going to scream!

In a rich country like Denmark there should be room for originality and not just profit making "boxes". I seriously hope this project could start a new trend where people think out of the box, and not just look to e.g. Goeteborg and then copy their recent projects.
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A couple of aerial shots of this huge site from Københavnerkort.
The original post office Building here is to be converted into a hotel. "Postgaarden"?
It would be great if they could include the area over the tracks and platforms in the new plan.


[IMG]http://i60.************/2w66um1.jpg[/IMG]

Maybe there is space for a long distance bus terminal on the roof, like in Stockholm. See Lundgaard and Tranberg's SEB bank in the lower left hand corner.


[IMG]http://i60.************/200y0bt.jpg[/IMG]
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Old March 26th, 2015, 06:31 PM   #13
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I hope these guys will be innovative though. Reading about a High Line Park in København I have this feeling of deja vu.

I.e. if you like me, live in Aarhus, you have heard of this before. We are also going to have a High Line park ... That is apparently the cool thing these days?
Concerning such matching projects in Aarhus and Copenhagen I also note that we have "Ceresbyen" - you have "CarlsbergByen" .. I don't know who was first there... There there is Havneholmen .. I guess you guys got there first.
But if a neighborhood in this new project is going to be called FrederiksPlads - I am going to scream!

In a rich country like Denmark there should be room for originality and not just profit making "boxes". I seriously hope this project could start a new trend where people think out of the box, and not just look to e.g. Goeteborg and then copy their recent projects.
Since this is a really, really early stage of the project, they kind of have to use buzzterms like High Line Park and comparable to a mini City of London business district. We've yet to see anything concrete. Maybe they are exaggerating the grandness of the vision - but considering Blackrock is behind (in a 50/50 split with Danica) - I think it sounds really promising.

Don't get the comparison with Aarhus? I've no idea whether Carlsberg Byen or CeresByen was first - and does that really matter? The Carlsberg district is probably - excuse the horrible pun - the best development in town and the scale is much larger than Ceres.

I don't think you invest 5 billion in a specific district without a real landmark of some sort.

Maybe I'm blinded of these (even by international standards) big numbers, but boy am I excited
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Hopefully we will see some very tall buildings here and some world class arcitecture and eventually, really open that part of the city towards the waterfront. As this is an unique oppertunity to add something to the city, they should not **** this one up, nor let the friends of tivoli etc win the battle.

Actually they're already allowed to cover the trails for buildings, however it's extreme expensive as you have to close dows train traffic etc. Maybe a park can be created without to many problems at this area.
The municipality of Copenhagen has to replace the tietgensbridge in near future anyways, so why not make it all right and nice then.
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It would be nice If they could cover the tracks like this.

But with track closures etc it will take many years to finish and at what cost?


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Sorry to spoil the good mood but I'm not getting my hopes up as far as building anything tall goes... this close to the old town and with Morten Kabell heading up as teknik- og miljøborgmester I don't see anything taller than 100 meters being built. But I hope I'm wrong.
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I hope these guys will be innovative though. Reading about a High Line Park in København I have this feeling of deja vu.
Well the High Line Park is just a copy of the Promenade plantée in Raris (no idea if they were there first). And the High Line Park element at this site is really just a continuation of L&T's original Kalvebod Brygge West masterplan (although I think such a feature should utilize existing, retired structures for the comparison to make sense), so I'm not really sure who were there first anyway.

I agree that there are too many "new Bbacks" in architecture and urban planning: Too many ramblas, high line parks, stacked boxes etc. However, I think the problem has mainly to do with terminology. When it comes to typologies that hasve prooven succesful elsewhere, why wouldn't others learn from it? Shouldn't people in Aarhus be allowed to swim in the harbour just because Islands Brygge had one first? Should anything keep us from developing a huge industrial site in a central location just because it happens to be a former brewery and and such a site is already under redevelopment in another city (and as Moveteam pointed out, comparing Carlsberg and CeresByen is like comparing apples and pears)?

As for thinking out of the box, I have great confidence that Lundgaard & Tranberg will do so. Not just because of their habit of their fondness of the cylinders but also because of their prooven record of doing so.

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Sorry to spoil the good mood but I'm not getting my hopes up as far as building anything tall goes... this close to the old town and with Morten Kabell heading up as teknik- og miljøborgmester I don't see anything taller than 100 meters being built. But I hope I'm wrong.
Firtunately this is not up to Kabel but a political majority. I think we can expect something similar to the Scala project is height and that is enough for me even if I would welcome a Little extra height. But what a shame that the SEB Buildings at the corner aren't twice as high, they would have looked fantastic as highrises and with some Company!
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Interesting to see if/how this will affect the upcomming replacement of Tietgensbroen.
http://www.bane.dk/visBanearbejde.asp?artikelID=18752
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I also dont think you should get your hopes up with regards to anything above 200m. Carlsberg have been allowed one building at 120 meters. I am not sure if the local plans allow the 130-140 meters that they want to expand the SAS Hotel to.

They definetely will be allowed to build tall here. But I doubt we see anything above 150 meters. But fingers crossed
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Peter Mering from Danica Pension just said on TV2 Lorry that we should expect something a little higher than the WakeUp Hotel which is 13 floors...
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