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Old September 17th, 2013, 01:21 AM   #141
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I certainly hope not but I don’t think it would be the case imo. He may forgo making this a dedicated office tower and will mostly go mix use just like the Equinox Tower.

My reason for this is because of the location and the amount of developmental Square footage available for this site, which is conducive for a supertall tower.

It is situated right at the gateway of the #7 extension line and it will be sandwich with other supertall projects such as 3 Hudson Boulevard and Sherwood Equities Tower. This will be a very busy area to just make this solely residential.

With this acquisition I would think Related will treat this as an extension to the first phase of their Hudson Yards project.

He will have plenty of opportunity and focus making those huge residential buildings since the 2nd phase of their project will be mainly residential.

I expect that he will build towers/ buildings that would compliment architecturally with the 1st phase except giving more of the residential feel to round out this massive project.
Courtesy of spelunking in Hardcore Shutterbug's Flickr photostream and your comment about 3 Hudson Yards I realized that 3 Hudson will also be built on top of the new #7 subway extension construction.

Namely the area that has a crane which appears in the photo above between the MTA's TWO vent buildings. The Hudson Blvd park for that site is not as far along as that between 33rd & 34th.
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Old September 30th, 2013, 11:29 PM   #142
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With news of Related buying the 1.7 m sf, One Hudson Yards they are acquiring a block long 517 W 35th street and are currently in negotiation buying that McDonalds drive through which has supertall potential written all over it as well! Related is going Nuts!!

Related buying another prime West Side lot
The company could pay as much as $75 million for a block-long site between West 35th and West 36th streets, further consolidating its control of the burgeoning Hudson Yards neighborhood
http://www.crainsnewyork.com/article...TATE/130939984

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The Related Cos. is snapping up a prime development site on the far West Side along what will be the area's new grand boulevard.

The company is in contract to purchase 517 W. 35th St., a parcel of land that runs through the block to West 36th Street and will occupy the whole blockfront on Hudson Park and Boulevard, a new street and a band of parkland that the city is spending millions of dollars to build between 10th and 11th Avenues.

The site, which can accommodate about 235,000 square feet of development as of right and more than double that through the purchase of air rights from the city, from a Pelham, NY-based company, HLM Realty LLC, according to city records. According to sources familiar with the site and recent sales and values in the Hudson Yards neighborhood, Related could pay as much as $75 million for the land. Related did not respond to a request for comment.
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The company controls the super block directly east, on the other side of the boulevard. Related is believed to be negotiating to further increase its holding by buying a McDonalds restaurant on the corner of West 33rd Street and 10th Avenue.
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Old October 1st, 2013, 03:44 AM   #143
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With news of Related ... are currently in negotiation buying that McDonalds drive through...
VG,

I suspected that Related would try to acquire the entire McD block. (They own most of it already.)

Do you have any inside news?
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Old October 1st, 2013, 04:23 AM   #144
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VG, I suspected that Related would try to acquire the entire McD block. (They own most of it already.) Do you have any inside news?
No inside news. Just got it from article posted. It will be a coup for Related to get that Mc D's since they own most of that block and they could develop something really special there which would be considered prime because of the hudson park blvd.

Here is another article in more detail with the purchase 517 W 35. Article says this site if fully assembled can accommodate 1.5 m sf tower!

Related inks deal for new Hudson Yards lot
http://therealdeal.com/blog/2013/09/...medium=twitter

So with the latest acquisitions Related has 2 super tower sites to develop if they so choose:
One Hudson Yards = 1.7 m sf
517 West 35th St = 1.54 m sf

If they can offer Mc D's a price they can't refuse this can be a mega site as well as you have mentioned in the past. Especially if they decide to raze that building they own betw. Mc D's and the Hudson Blvd and combined it all.
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Old October 1st, 2013, 04:53 AM   #145
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It would be fantastic if the Mcdonalds site mimicked the design the scissor towers and this tower was another mixed use like E-tower. Both taller than those to the south of course.
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In link there is a presentation slideshow by the Hudson Yards Development Corp published Sept, 2013.
http://www.slideshare.net/theurbanvi...peter-wertheim

Interestingly on pg 17, the document says Related plans to build 1 Million Square Ft, One Hudson Yards Tower in 2014!

Note: Extell initial plans where to develop 1.5 m sf w/ their proposed tower before the trade.
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The slide states that Extell was going to build a 1.5m sf commercial tower, but that Related will construct a 1m sf tower. Indeed, if Related is building a 1m sf tower, then I guarantee that it's either all residential or mixed use. Even with TW's lease, the North Tower still has over 1m sf to lease. Thus, Related won't build a 1m sf tower on spec. They couldn't even finance such a spec tower. If they found a tenant who wanted 500k-1m sf of space, Related would put them in the North Tower unless it was a competitor to Coach (like RL), which Related agreed not to put in the North or South Tower.

However, it's very possible that Related has struck a deal with Ralph Lauren, for example, for 500k sf of space, and it will build a tower with 500k sfr of office space and 500k of residential space. This tower should exceed 300m. Also, the extra air rights would likely be transferred to Related's gigantic site across Hudson Blvd.
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Old October 5th, 2013, 05:39 AM   #148
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That would make sense and ideal. I hope RL goes to One Hudson. That would be super and I will be very satisfied with a 300 + m tower, plus that means we get a new near supertall tower at 650 Mad.

You mean transfer the rights to that Mc D's site? If Related does indeed secure that site, they could potentially construct easily 1,500 - 2,000 ft behemoth of a tower.

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That would make sense and ideal. I hope RL goes to One Hudson. That would be super and I will be very satisfied with a 300 + m tower, plus that means we get a new near supertall tower at 650 Mad.

You mean transfer the rights to that Mc D's site? If Related does indeed secure that site, they could potentially construct easily 1,500 - 2,000 ft behemoth of a tower.
Related already owns the bulk of the block with tge McD's site. There was a schematic somewhere which showed what it owns.


I agree 're : 650 Madison too. Also since the HY will be the site of Fashion Week, this is a great spot for RL.
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Old October 6th, 2013, 03:36 PM   #150
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Hudson Yards' lucky No. 7
Developers eye gains in tenants and infrastructure following the No. 7 subway extension.

http://www.crainsnewyork.com/article...TATE/310069976

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"A lot of the development sites that only a short time ago were considered speculative are now tangible," Mr. Knakal said. "You'll see a lot more happen in the neighborhood coming up. There are at least four very significant sites that I know of that will be in play within the next month or two right smack in the Hudson Yards."
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The Related Cos., already in the process of developing the 26-acre, $15 billion Hudson Yards complex, has been the most voracious buyer of adjacent sites in a doubling down of its holdings in the area. The company has entered into a contract to acquire a parcel between West 35th and 36th streets—for $75 million or more—that will border a new "Hudson Boulevard" being constructed by the city to run between 10th and 11th avenues.
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Related has approached Alloy Development to acquire its site, too, in a bid to substantially boost the size of that parcel, though it's unclear whether Alloy will decide to sell. Most of Related's acquisitions have been for locations closest to the new subway link.
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Related is also in talks, sources say, to purchase the site of a -McDonald's on the corner of West 33rd Street and 10th Avenue, allowing it to amass another jumbo parcel. That property sits east of another lot that Related bought for an undisclosed price from developer Gary Barnett during the summer. The land there can accommodate a 1.7 million-square-foot, 57-story commercial tower.
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In January, Related plans to break ground on a roughly $750 million platform over the western half of the Hudson rail yards to create the foundation for the millions of square feet of office, retail and public space it is planning to build.
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Several buyers are believed to be in the process of acquiring more air rights, including Joe Chetrit, who earlier this year purchased midtown's Sony Building for $1.1 billion. He is said by sources to be adding up to 200,000 square feet to a hotel development site he owns between West 37th and 38th streets. Mr. Chetrit, who declined to comment, could add some of that extra space by buying air rights from the city in a purchase that would likely push the total rights sold this year to its highest level since 2008, before the recession took hold.

David Marx, another developer in the neighborhood, said he will buy air rights from the city to increase the size of a hotel he plans to build on the northeast corner of West 34th Street and 10th Avenue.
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Old October 7th, 2013, 12:53 PM   #151
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The tower on the McDonald's lot could be the tallest in NYC. It has 2.3 MSF as-is, and if Related DOES manage to transfer the 700K SF of air rights from One Hudson Boulevard, it will have 3 MSF of air rights; 600K more than the HY North Tower. That would make it the third largest building in NYC by square footage.
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The tower on the McDonald's lot could be the tallest in NYC. It has 2.3 MSF as-is, and if Related DOES manage to transfer the 700K SF of air rights from One Hudson Boulevard, it will have 3 MSF of air rights; 600K more than the HY North Tower. That would make it the third largest building in NYC by square footage.
Yep, if that tower doesn't break the 1640ft/500m mark, I don't know which one will. Fingers crossed we'll see a new über for the city.
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Old October 8th, 2013, 02:05 AM   #154
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Bloomberg coming to site!

AFAIK, he's really coming to the #7 subway line's real-soon-now station next to the One Hudson Yards. From that Crainsnewyork article linked above:

"Sometime in the next 12 weeks, Michael Bloomberg is expected to go where no mayor has gone before: to the new terminus of the No. 7 train just west of 10th Avenue near West 34th Street."

The first sentence is in error: the new terminus/entrance is west of 11th Ave, really more "just east of 12th Avenue". And adjacent to the One Hudson Yards site which, right now, is really the large vent building for the new terminus and concrente parking lot for construction equipment.

I also assume he will use the actual entrance, but they will spiff it up a bit for the mayor. I wonder if the elevators will be operational or will he have to use the stairs? It's a deep station...

The plywood clad entrance is in the middle, the One Hudson Yards site with portion of the vent building to-be-overbuilt on the right.:

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Old October 9th, 2013, 04:45 AM   #156
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How deep is this station?
"the 7 line extension will be around 80 feet deep" - secondavenuesagas.com The next new stations to open will be the Second Avenue Subway stations in December 2016. Those are also ~80 feet deep and also have vent structures that are integrated into the surrounding residential buildings.

Much of NYC's subway system was built a long time ago via cut & cover, so many of the underground stations are down one or two flights of stairs from street level. Two examples of this are the 8th and 7th Ave subway lines that bracket the west and east ends of the passenger areas of Penn Station. The 7th Ave/34th St Penn Station stop opened in 1917, as a later phase of the original 1904 subway systems opening. The 34th st stations on the 8th & 7th Ave lines were built above the Pennsylvania RR's Penn Station tracks and tunnels. See below for modern times.

The last new station I recall was the NEW (but short lived) South Ferry station (2009-2012/SuperStorm Sandy) which was also a deeper station than the original station it briefly replaced.

This station next to the future One Hudson Yards had to be a deep station because just north of this station they had to tunnel under Amtrak's Empire Connection Tunnel/West Side Line and the tail tracks south of the station have to get below the century old Pennsylvania RR/Amtrak Hudson River tunnels.

The $2.4B spent extending the #7 subway also included foundations for the overbuild of One Hudson Yards: that's one of the reasons the tower site is a nice concrete "parking lot" and the station's vent building.
The photo below was taken 10/1/2013. The right half is the vent building and foundations-with-concrete-cap to be overbuilt by One Hudson. The vent building includes a loading dock facing 33rd st for One Hudson. The previous plans showed retail facing onto Hudson Blvd Park (the subway entrance in the park)
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This is an MTA photo from 9/2012 looking west which shows some of the underground structures of the One Hudson Yards site before the concrete "parking lot" cap was constructed. I assume the dark squarish hole in the upper half of the photo is for the future direct access from One Hudson to the subway's upper mezzanine. The smaller squarish hole in the the future Hudson Blvd park is for the elevator access to the upper mezz. The bigger hole in the foreground with sloped concrete visible is for the escalator & stairs entrance from Hudson Blvd.:



And this MTA photo from earler in 9/2012 shows the the eastern part of the vent building just starting to rise above street level. I assume the annotated "core steel" is for the overbuild.This photo is looking ENE with 33rd st on the right. There is a LOT more infrastructure under the floor of the pit in the foreground in this shot:

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MTA photo source w/ various resolutions here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mtaphot...n/photostream/

And here's an earlier MTA photo from 1/2012 looking in the opposite direction (SW) from 34th st. This photo shows some of what underlies the pit depicted in the photo above. I think the tunnels in the lower right portion of the photo are the long escalators that connect the upper mezz to the lower mezz. Note that you can look under the 11th Ave viaduct at the the upper right. The northern end of the High Line comes down to the surface a few hundred feet west of 11th Ave.

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One Hudson Blvd June 2014

Just for completeness, the MTA render overlay below is probably a pretty good estimate of what One Hudson Blvd will look like next June. The photo was taken June 19, 2013.

By June 2014 the construction barriers & trailers, etc. that line the site on 33rd & 34th street will be gone to allow access to the station. The subway & Hudson Blvd construction on the right should also be wrapped up (subway) or different (Hudson Blvd between 34th & 35th)

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it interesting. the columns in the subway build over are solid plate. You dont use columns like that unless you are supporting something really big, like a tower.
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it interesting. the columns in the subway build over are solid plate. You dont use columns like that unless you are supporting something really big, like a tower.
I'll take your word for it, but can you expand expand on "solid plate"?

If you want to look at more columns for this site, here's another MTA photo example from 1/2012. View is looking south from 34 th St; you can see Phase 3 High Line in the distance. I assume the sloped tunnels for the lower escalators are just off screen to the lower right. I assume lower portion of the pit has been blasted into bedrock:

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Photo by Metropolitan Transportation Authority / Patrick Cashin
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/mtaphot...n/photostream/

You can scroll through the other photos in this January 2012 #7 Subway extension photo set here. The descriptions are very generic & don't even indicate which #7 extension construction site is being depicted:

http://http://www.flickr.com/photos/...57629129283839

The MTA photographer upped his game sometime after the January 2012 set: he has a Nikon D4 in the June 2013 set. This photo was shot from another vent structure on the south side of 36th Street, 35th street is in the foreground. Note how the streets in this are are elevated above "grade" and how much work is on-going to prep these areas for future overbuilds & the Hudson Blvd Park. In addition, though you can't see it because it's in shadow, but Amtrak's Empire Connection tunnel has risen up to local grade in the foreground and is running to the left of the fence on the dirt track at bottom right. They're supporting the slab over the Amtrak line with that temporary? steel beam:

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