daily menu » rate the banner | guess the city | one on one

Go Back   SkyscraperCity > Asian Forums > Philippine Forums > Around the Philippines > Transport, Urban Planning and Infrastructure > Highways and Roadways


Global Announcement

SkyscraperCity needs your help to do some house cleaning! please click here for more info!



Reply

 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old October 10th, 2012, 06:01 AM   #101
sulong
Registered User
 
sulong's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Lungsod Quezon
Posts: 328
Likes (Received): 3

Quote:
Originally Posted by s_w_stars View Post
I'm not sure about the wisdom of building above the PNR tracks. I was thinking that they should elevate the PNR tracks rather than at grade, then they can run trains express, at higher speeds instead of having to crawl and stop at city railroad crossings. That's unfortunate. As for the Skyway, NLEX/SLEX connector, they've planned, talked about that since FVR's time. The longer it takes the gov't to build this, the more difficult and expensive it gets. Mmmm....maybe while they're at it, the builder can make triple decker, Skyway on top, railroad in the middle, and grade level...mmmmm bicycle path?
I share your sentiments. I also find it be be, indeed, unfortunate. The at-grade crossings on the PNR commuter line affect its service. I wish that they could elevate and quadruple track the PNR so we'd have local and express services, but this elevated expressway would make the possibility of that happening much less possible.
__________________
Metro Manilenyo
Random musings of a guy from Metro Manila.
sulong no está en línea   Reply With Quote

Sponsored Links
 
Old October 10th, 2012, 06:20 AM   #102
pi_malejana
Registered User
 
pi_malejana's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: New York, Antipolo, Pangasinan
Posts: 5,251
Likes (Received): 42

Quote:
Originally Posted by sulong View Post
I share your sentiments. I also find it be be, indeed, unfortunate. The at-grade crossings on the PNR commuter line affect its service. I wish that they could elevate and quadruple track the PNR so we'd have local and express services, but this elevated expressway would make the possibility of that happening much less possible.
the plan before has always been to build an entirely new line with a new ROW capable of faster speeds, standard gauge, etc, that would end up at Fort Bonifacio (same with Northrail)... the current PNR Caloocan-Alabang line will be left as is...

but now i doubt if the new government is even thinking about medium to long term plans for our rail infrastructure...
__________________
http://sagitnangbagyo.blogspot.com/
BF for VP!!
pi_malejana no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old October 10th, 2012, 07:07 AM   #103
sulong
Registered User
 
sulong's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Lungsod Quezon
Posts: 328
Likes (Received): 3

I see. Still wouldn't hurt, though, if they could have the current commuter line grade separated and maybe have subway-like service levels in the future (e.g. 5-10 minute train headways). Anyway, sorry for going a little off-topic.
__________________
Metro Manilenyo
Random musings of a guy from Metro Manila.
sulong no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old October 15th, 2012, 01:32 AM   #104
KnightOfTheFlag
We will RISE AGAIN!!
 
KnightOfTheFlag's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 201
Likes (Received): 162

Rising connector road cost weighs on gov’t
Neda: It will now take P25.6B to complete roadwork


The price tag of the elevated roadwork of Metro Pacific Investment Corp. has just gone up due to higher costs in acquiring right-of-way access, forcing the government to double its project subsidy, data from the National Economic and Development Authority (Neda) revealed.

According to information presented by the Department of Public Works and Highways to the economic planning agency, the government subsidy that would be required for MPIC’s unsolicited connector road project has gone up to P4.76 billion from P2.4 billion.

Because of the rise in the required subsidy for the project, it will now take P25.56 billion to complete the road work. The figure is 27 percent higher than the original cost of P20.2 billion, the data revealed.

Accounting for 19 percent of the total project cost, the road right of way (RROW) expense is the second-biggest component of the connector road project after construction cost.

Earlier this year, President Aquino gave the green light for the construction of two elevated toll highways that would connect the South Luzon Expressway (SLEx) to the North Luzon Expressway (NLEx).

The connected road project is an unsolicited proposal from MPIC.

Apart from the hike in government subsidies, the data from the Neda also revealed a 23-percent increase in the connector road’s construction cost from P15.4 billion to P18.9 billion.

Construction costs went up because the project had to be redesigned to accommodate the Airport Express Rail (AER) of the Department of Transportation and Communications.

Fixed operation equipment costs also rose by 59 percent, from P308 million to P489 million, while engineering costs slightly declined from P1.2 billion to P1.1 billion.

The allocation for contingency expenses, meanwhile, went down by 66 percent from P787 million to P269 million.

The NLEx-SLEx connector road—which starts at Buendia in Makati City and ends on 5th Avenue in Quezon City—does not include the planned Segments 9 and 10, which are needed to complete the link between 5th Avenue and Mindanao Avenue (in Quezon City), before connecting with NLEx.


http://business.inquirer.net/87378/r...weighs-on-govt


Anak ng....!! Simulan na kasi yan at baka tumaas pa ng tumaas pa pag pinatagal pa ng pinatagal nyo, baka mamaya sa sobrang tagal tumaas ang presyo hanggang sa mag back-out either yung government of investors!!
__________________
Not everything that is FACED can be CHANGED,..But nothing can be CHANGED until it is FACED...

"On the CONTRARY, I always HOPE for the best, EXPERIENCE unfortunately has taught me to expect the worst" - Garak DS9

"The duty of a TRUE PATRIOT is to PROTECT his COUNTRY from its GOVERNMENT. -Thomas Paine
KnightOfTheFlag no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old October 15th, 2012, 03:06 AM   #105
absinthe_888
Registered User
 
absinthe_888's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 10,264
Likes (Received): 78

Every day na puro laway na press release nalabas means higher cost
absinthe_888 no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old October 15th, 2012, 08:03 AM   #106
pi_malejana
Registered User
 
pi_malejana's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: New York, Antipolo, Pangasinan
Posts: 5,251
Likes (Received): 42

Quote:
Originally Posted by KnightOfTheFlag View Post
Construction costs went up because the project had to be redesigned to accommodate the Airport Express Rail (AER) of the Department of Transportation and Communications.
hmm, i'm intrigued by this AER... kung MPIC eh di malamang padaanin to dun sa NR ROW??
__________________
http://sagitnangbagyo.blogspot.com/
BF for VP!!
pi_malejana no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old October 18th, 2012, 06:53 AM   #107
El_Toro
Registered User
 
El_Toro's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: California
Posts: 596
Likes (Received): 2

diyos ko pati yun cost ng pagpress release nila nagmamahal na rin kaya simulan na habang mura pa yun project cost...
El_Toro no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old October 18th, 2012, 07:12 AM   #108
absinthe_888
Registered User
 
absinthe_888's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 10,264
Likes (Received): 78

Rather long article

DPWH supports adjusted NLEX-SLEX road cost
HIDDEN AGENDA By Mary Ann Ll. Reyes (The Philippine Star) Updated October 18, 2012 12:00 AM Comments

Quote:
The Department of Public Works and Highway’s (DPWH) planning department recently approved the adjusted project cost for the unsolicited NLEX-SLEX connector road project of the Metro Pacific group to P25.56 billion from P20.2 billion. The project was presented last week to the National Economic Development Authority (NEDA) technical board. The project’s adjusted cost was driven by a 23-percent increase in construction cost to P18.9 billion and the Road Right of Way (RROW), or taxpayers’ subsidy, which has doubled to P4.76 billion.

<snipped>
absinthe_888 no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old October 18th, 2012, 12:46 PM   #109
leofriends
3 Stars and a Sun
 
leofriends's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Manila, Bulacan
Posts: 2,295
Likes (Received): 241

PNoy's priority infra projects
by Rappler.com

Posted on 10/18/2012 2:45 PM | Updated 10/18/2012 3:39 PM

Quote:
MANILA, Philippines - President Benigno Aquino III disclosed that of all the infrastructure projects of the government, his priorities are the North Luzon Expressway-South Luzon Expressway (NLEX-SLEX) connector road and all the airport Public-Private Partnerships (PPPs).

In an interview with Rappler, Aquino said these projects would help the government meet its target of an almost threefold increase in tourist arrivals by 2016.

Projects like the connector road will help ease traffic in Metro Manila, while better airports will allow airlines to mount more flights and carry more tourists to the country.

The President said the connector, specifically, will also lead to an efficient transfer of goods between the north and south of Luzon. It will also entice tourists to explore other tourist sites.

Some of the airports that were recently approved by the National Economic and Development Authority (NEDA) board, chaired by the President, are the P4.8 billion-worth Bicol International Airport in Daraga, Albay and the P7.4 billion-worth New Bohol Airport in Panglao, Bohol.

"Without the infrastructure support, the venture into tourist areas won't happen. So that starts from the airport, then all the roads leading to it and out of it. That's another major infrastructure project that we want finished," Aquino said.

(snipped)
http://www.rappler.com/business/1442...y-projects-are
__________________

Mabuhay! Welcome to the Pearl of the Orient Seas!
METRO MANILA SKYLINE SKYSCRAPERCITY PAGE
PHILIPPINE WEATHER DATA CLIMATEX
PHILIPPINE ECONOMY WIKIPEDIA | CREDIT RATINGS | GDP, GNP GROWTH | ECONOMIC FREEDOM | DOING BUSSINESS | GLOBAL COMPETITIVENESS

27th FIBA ASIA CHAMPIONSHIP - MANILA, PHILIPPINES CLICK HERE

leofriends no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old October 18th, 2012, 03:48 PM   #110
1100
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 1,585
Likes (Received): 56

Akala ko ba yung LRT SEP ang priority project?
1100 no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old October 20th, 2012, 03:41 AM   #111
leofriends
3 Stars and a Sun
 
leofriends's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Manila, Bulacan
Posts: 2,295
Likes (Received): 241

Aquino: infra key to sustained growth
by Rappler.com

Posted on 10/18/2012 2:45 PM | Updated 10/18/2012 8:22 PM

Quote:
MANILA, Philippines - President Benigno Aquino III disclosed that of all the infrastructure projects of the government, his priorities are key road and airport projects, anti-flooding and irrigation facilities.

In an interview with Rappler's business news head Lala Rimando, Aquino said these projects are key to "foster that continuous environment necessary for continuous economic growth."

When asked to name a specific infrastructure project he would like to see completed before he steps down in 2016, he cited the NLEx-SLEx Connector road.

[On October 16], I reminded [Finance] Sec. Purisima and incoming DOTC Sec. Abaya and outgoing DOTC Sec. Roxas, that the NLEx-SLEx Connector Road is something that I want to inaugurate and to drive on while I'm still president," he said.

The President said the connector road will also lead to an efficient transfer of goods between the north and south of Luzon. It will also entice tourists to explore other tourist sites.

"I'm from Tarlac. I want to go to a beach. So my choices are the beaches of Pangasinan or La Union. [With an NLEx-SLEx Connector road], suddenly the beaches of Batangas and to a degree, Oriental Mindoro, becomes much closer. They project travel time between Tarlac and Calamba at 1-hour-40-minutes," he shared.

(snipped)
http://www.rappler.com/business/1442...y-projects-are
__________________

Mabuhay! Welcome to the Pearl of the Orient Seas!
METRO MANILA SKYLINE SKYSCRAPERCITY PAGE
PHILIPPINE WEATHER DATA CLIMATEX
PHILIPPINE ECONOMY WIKIPEDIA | CREDIT RATINGS | GDP, GNP GROWTH | ECONOMIC FREEDOM | DOING BUSSINESS | GLOBAL COMPETITIVENESS

27th FIBA ASIA CHAMPIONSHIP - MANILA, PHILIPPINES CLICK HERE

leofriends no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old October 20th, 2012, 03:58 AM   #112
leofriends
3 Stars and a Sun
 
leofriends's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Manila, Bulacan
Posts: 2,295
Likes (Received): 241

MNTC ready to undertake NLEX C-5 Link.

April 24, 2012

Quote:
(snipped)...

It will be fitted with toll collection, traffic management and telecommunications systems in line with standard operating equipment at the NEX.

Combined with the NLEX Harbor Link project, the NLEX C-5 Link will benefit truck haulers by allowing trucks to go on trips at anytime of the day bypassing areas enforcing the truck ban.

It will be recalled that the 8-km NLEX Harbor Link Project is currently in the pre-construction stage. It will start construction by 4th quarter of this year with an extension of the NLEX main to the Manila North Road (MacArthur Highway) in Valenzuela City, and eventually to the C-3 Road which leads to the Port areas in Manila. The Harbor Link Project will cost approximately Php 10 billion with a long portion to be constructed as an elevated highway over the existing rail right-of-way of the Philippine National Railways (PNR).

The NLEX C-5 Link and the Harbor Link projects comprise Phase 2 of MNTC's Manila North Expressway concession. When completed, Phase 2 will provide an east-west expressway alignment that will traverse heavily-congested areas of northern Metro Manila. It will dramatically reduce travel time within the expressway corridor.
http://www.mntc.com/media/news-20120424b.htm


sisimulan na pala ung Phase 1 connected sa Nlex Slex Connector...
__________________

Mabuhay! Welcome to the Pearl of the Orient Seas!
METRO MANILA SKYLINE SKYSCRAPERCITY PAGE
PHILIPPINE WEATHER DATA CLIMATEX
PHILIPPINE ECONOMY WIKIPEDIA | CREDIT RATINGS | GDP, GNP GROWTH | ECONOMIC FREEDOM | DOING BUSSINESS | GLOBAL COMPETITIVENESS

27th FIBA ASIA CHAMPIONSHIP - MANILA, PHILIPPINES CLICK HERE

leofriends no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old October 25th, 2012, 01:36 AM   #113
leofriends
3 Stars and a Sun
 
leofriends's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Manila, Bulacan
Posts: 2,295
Likes (Received): 241

Citra Skyway stage 3 will start by Jan 2013.. Good News indeed.. how about MVP?

Skyway 3 construction to start January 2013

Written by Ed Velasco
Thursday, 25 October 2012 00:00

Quote:
The Toll Regulatory Board (TRB) expects the actual construction of Skyway 3 to officially start in January 2013.

San Miguel Corp. and Citra personnel are now talking with stakeholders of South Luzon Expressway (Slex)-North Luzon Expressway (Nlex) connector for the common alignment of the two projects.

Common alignment/section is the section where the two projects will meet as the two are both elevated, one above some parts of Edsa and the connector above the railroad tracks of the Philippine National Railways (PNR).
“As far as I’m concerned, January is the tentative start of construction.

They (SMC, Citra and Metro Pacific Tollways Corp.) are now talking seriously,” TRB spokesman Julius Corpuz explained to The Daily Tribune.
MPTC will build the connector but no timetable has been set for start of construction of the elevated road atop the PNR tracks.

The common section/alignment is a more than five-kilometer stretch of the elevated road from Gil Puyat Ave. to Polytechnic University of the Philippines (PUP) where Skyway 3 and Slex-Nlex connector will have the same lineage.
“The two projects will literally pass into one portion. If the motorist is there, he or she will be confused if passing the connector or Skyway 3,” a source knowledgeable about the project said.

The discussion for this portion is very crucial because technically, the two roads will pass on the same line, thus a dialog on the division of expenses should proceed.

Corpuz said it’s imperative that the two entities must talk seriously because even the toll for that portion might be affected.
“The most basic question maybe is who will build that portion? It can be a division of labor, 2.5 kilometers each because that stretch is quite long at five kilometers,” the source added.

The Skyway 3 is a P24.5 billion, 14.2-kilometer project by SMC and Citra, the same owner of Slex, Skyway 1 and 2 and Star Tollway.
http://www.tribuneonline.org/index.p...t-january-2013
__________________

Mabuhay! Welcome to the Pearl of the Orient Seas!
METRO MANILA SKYLINE SKYSCRAPERCITY PAGE
PHILIPPINE WEATHER DATA CLIMATEX
PHILIPPINE ECONOMY WIKIPEDIA | CREDIT RATINGS | GDP, GNP GROWTH | ECONOMIC FREEDOM | DOING BUSSINESS | GLOBAL COMPETITIVENESS

27th FIBA ASIA CHAMPIONSHIP - MANILA, PHILIPPINES CLICK HERE

leofriends no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old October 25th, 2012, 01:26 PM   #114
krrra
Crash N Burn
 
krrra's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Republic of the Philippines
Posts: 946
Likes (Received): 12

Quote:
Originally Posted by leofriends View Post
Citra Skyway stage 3 will start by Jan 2013.. Good News indeed.. how about MVP?

Skyway 3 construction to start January 2013

Written by Ed Velasco
Thursday, 25 October 2012 00:00



http://www.tribuneonline.org/index.p...t-january-2013
simulan ang bagong taon ng malaking traffic!!!
__________________
PILIPINAS NUMBER ONE!
krrra no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old October 26th, 2012, 07:02 AM   #115
leofriends
3 Stars and a Sun
 
leofriends's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Manila, Bulacan
Posts: 2,295
Likes (Received): 241

image hosted on flickr
__________________

Mabuhay! Welcome to the Pearl of the Orient Seas!
METRO MANILA SKYLINE SKYSCRAPERCITY PAGE
PHILIPPINE WEATHER DATA CLIMATEX
PHILIPPINE ECONOMY WIKIPEDIA | CREDIT RATINGS | GDP, GNP GROWTH | ECONOMIC FREEDOM | DOING BUSSINESS | GLOBAL COMPETITIVENESS

27th FIBA ASIA CHAMPIONSHIP - MANILA, PHILIPPINES CLICK HERE

leofriends no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old October 26th, 2012, 08:28 AM   #116
krrra
Crash N Burn
 
krrra's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Republic of the Philippines
Posts: 946
Likes (Received): 12

is that the final map??
magkaiba yung nasa FS map ng KOICA at nasa image ng C6 dito sa newspaper.
__________________
PILIPINAS NUMBER ONE!
krrra no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old October 27th, 2012, 06:18 AM   #117
absinthe_888
Registered User
 
absinthe_888's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 10,264
Likes (Received): 78

Quote:
Originally Posted by leofriends View Post
Citra Skyway stage 3 will start by Jan 2013.. Good News indeed.. how about MVP?

Skyway 3 construction to start January 2013

Written by Ed Velasco
Thursday, 25 October 2012 00:00



http://www.tribuneonline.org/index.p...t-january-2013
Tapos pag dating ng January: S3 construction delayed once anew

Contentious issue yung common alignment, pwede kaya magkaroon ng usapan in 2 months? Abangan...
absinthe_888 no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old October 27th, 2012, 10:02 AM   #118
whatuwan
Chinese Electric Batman
 
whatuwan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 515
Likes (Received): 38

Citra says that they are going to build that common alignment.
__________________
"Politicians are like diapers; they both need to be changed often."
"Put politicians on minimum wage and watch how fast things change."
whatuwan está en línea ahora   Reply With Quote
Old October 29th, 2012, 11:55 AM   #119
krrra
Crash N Burn
 
krrra's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Republic of the Philippines
Posts: 946
Likes (Received): 12

Will 2 NLEx-SLEx road links mean higher toll rates?
BY KATHERINE VISCONTI
Posted on 10/28/2012 3:24 AM | Updated 10/29/2012 2:00 AM


MANILA, Philippines - Anyone who has sat in traffic on Metro Manila roads should look forward to the construction of the connector roads between the North Luzon and South Luzon Expressways (NLEx and SLEx).

The two proposed and separate connector roads are expected to decongest Manila's major thoroughfares and offer drivers and commuters a more efficient route across, and between the two major tollroads north and south of, Metro Manila.

But at what cost?

Constructing not one, but two connector roads may drive up toll prices, explained Metro Pacific Investments Corp chief finance officer David Nicol.

He warned that, since each companies will get a smaller share of the traffic going over their respective roads, they may try to make back their investments by charging higher tolls.

"Someone has to make a return because the banks who will lend the project have to be paid after all. So it’s likely to push tariffs up for users," said Nicol at a COL Financial Group Inc briefing on October 22.



Years ago, MPIC offered an unsolicited bid to link the two expressways. This was, however, followed by the assertion of the Citra Metro Manila Tollways Corp's assertion that its concession agreement on the Skyway elevated road project running through the SLEx highway gives it the right to extend all the way to NLEx, effectively linking the two major thoroughfares.

Instead of choosing just one, President Aquino and his Cabinet said both should be built.

"I think the challenge with the 'build both' to me is that it doesn’t double the level of traffic," said Nicol.

Still, big ticket infrastructure items like the NLEx-SLEx connector are lucrative enough that neither company is backing out. "Yes we are committed to doing this project," said Nicol.

Although there are already two different connector roads, John Eric Francia of Ayala Corp. joked that his company may also be interested in bidding when MPIC's unsolicited proposal is up for a Swiss challenge.

Going over Ayala's upcoming list of projects Francia said, "What is not here is the NLEx-SLEx connector because Mr. David Nicol is here, but I want to surprise him by outbidding him when the time comes. We can talk after this, David."

MPIC, which is partnering with Ayala for the government's rail projects, was likely hoping his leg is just being pulled on this one. - Rappler.com

http://www.rappler.com/business/1497...onnector-roads
__________________
PILIPINAS NUMBER ONE!
krrra no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old November 7th, 2012, 11:00 AM   #120
leofriends
3 Stars and a Sun
 
leofriends's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Manila, Bulacan
Posts: 2,295
Likes (Received): 241

its officially, they can now start the construction, but its up to the contractors now whats next? build it asap!!!

NEDA OKs NLEx-SLEx road link projects - MVP group

by Katherine Visconti
Posted on 11/07/2012 3:03 PM | Updated 11/07/2012 3:55 PM

Quote:
MANILA, Philippines - The National Economic and Development Authority (NEDA) has approved both the proposals of Manuel V. Pangilinan-led Metro Pacific Tollways Corp. (MPTC) and Ramon Ang-led San Miguel Corp. for tollway projects that will connect the north and south Luzon expressways.

MPTC President and CEO Ramoncito Fernandez confirmed the approval to reporters on Wednesday, November 7.

"NEDA just approved both connector roads for execution," he said.

MPTC and San Miguel-backed Citra Metro Manila Tollways Corp. earlier submitted to Malacañang their respective proposals to construct roads that will link the North Luzon Expressway and South Luzon Expressway.

The road projects will run from Makati City to Caloocan and Balintawak.

"The first task is to have a common agreement on the common alignment so we can execute what the President wants," said Fernandez.

"As we have seen the President is very keen in completing these roads before he leaves office so the support of all agencies should follow the President's directive," he added. - Rappler.com
http://www.rappler.com/business/1565...ects-mvp-group
__________________

Mabuhay! Welcome to the Pearl of the Orient Seas!
METRO MANILA SKYLINE SKYSCRAPERCITY PAGE
PHILIPPINE WEATHER DATA CLIMATEX
PHILIPPINE ECONOMY WIKIPEDIA | CREDIT RATINGS | GDP, GNP GROWTH | ECONOMIC FREEDOM | DOING BUSSINESS | GLOBAL COMPETITIVENESS

27th FIBA ASIA CHAMPIONSHIP - MANILA, PHILIPPINES CLICK HERE

leofriends no está en línea   Reply With Quote


Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT +2. The time now is 03:47 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2013, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Feedback Buttons provided by Advanced Post Thanks / Like v3.1.2 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2013 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
vBulletin Optimisation provided by vB Optimise (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2013 DragonByte Technologies Ltd. (Resources saved on this page: MySQL 23.08%)

SkyscraperCity ☆ High there, what's up!

Hosted by Blacksun, dedicated to this site too!
Forum server management by DaiTengu