IRAQ | Health Sector

[Chounz]

Originally Posted by Al-Hashimi

Well then we agree with everything expect the part of feeling more close with a Yazidi than an Syrian Arab for example just because the former has an Iraqi passport.

Hahah it's not about having the passport! It seems like you're saying the only thing Iraqi about a Yezidi is that he has the passport.

I'm trying to think of a good enough way to explain it to you because I sort of feel there's something you're not able to grasp..

Just imagine someone who was born on the same soil as you.. who lived by the same river.. you both had the same childhood and played the same games as kids... your parents shout out the same lines when they get mad at you... you both have a similar group of friends and would hit on girls in the exact same manner... you both lived under the same dictator... and then the regime that came afterwards.. you both have uncles or cousins that died in the same war... you both have the same bad fashion and hairstyle.... you even look the same... you're an Arab from Baghdad and he's a Yezidi from Mosul....... you look at him and it's as if you're looking at your self in the mirror!

Let's say you then left Iraq in your 20's or 30's and moved to Riyadh. I don't understand how it's possible that you can relate more to a Saudi that has lived a COMPLETELY different life than you have. I just can't imagine it..

[Ali - Iraq]

Guys discuss this in another thread like the Baghdad Cafe or Politics, not here. You have ruined mkay's thread for god sake!

[Chounz]

This is why I'm saying you have to imagine yourself as an Iraqi who has lived his whole life in Iraq. You wouldn't feel the same.

I haven't lived in Iraq which is why I'm having a tough time explaining it you... It would be a lot easier if I had.
I haven't been through all that so it's not from personal experience I'm trying to imagine myself as someone who had..

[Ali - Iraq]

wtf xD

[sheytanElKebir]

health sector????? why is tariq al hashimi's nephew bringing up his cr*p in every thread?? don't you have some traitors to whack?

[Al-Hashimi]

I hear you brother. Good explanation. But I think we need to make a difference between the area/society that makes you the same (for example yourself as an Iraqi born outside of Iraq who have had more or less the same experiences/exposure to a given culture in the country you live in like an local from the country of your birth. The same can be said about an Iraqi Arab and an Iraqi Yazidi.

My point was more in the cultural and ancestral department. Not as much the society/country they have grown up in

Let me give you an example. You say you are born outside of Iraq like me. I am sure that you have Iraqi friends that have the same background as you (Iraqis born outside of Iraq). Do you agree with me that you will feel closer to that Iraqi born outside of Iraq in the same country like you than a local from your country of birth? I think that's why an Iraqi Arab always will feel closer to his own kind rather than the Iraqi Yazidi who although an Iraqi as well don't share the same ancestry, culture, costumes and religion etc. You know Hard to explain.

[Al-Hashimi]

Originally Posted by sheytanElKebir

health sector????? why is tariq al hashimi's nephew bringing up his cr*p in every thread?? don't you have some traitors to whack?

I am not related to Tariq Al-Hashimi and I have not started this discussion but nevertheless it's an important and interesting discussion. The only problem is that it does not belong in this thread.

And your last comment is just a stupid comment not worthy your age.

[sheytanElKebir]

I was being sarc-ars-tic.

al hashimi. I made a thread for your questions. we'll answer it all there.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=92463439

[Chounz]

Originally Posted by Al-Hashimi

I hear you brother. Good explanation. But I think we need to make a difference between the area/society that makes you the same (for example yourself as an Iraqi born outside of Iraq who have had more or less the same experiences/exposure to a given culture in the country you live in like an local from the country of your birth. The same can be said about an Iraqi Arab and an Iraqi Yazidi.

My point was more in the cultural and ancestral department. Not as much the society/country they have grown up in

Hmmm yes I see what you mean. That's two different ways of looking at it. It's slightly different though from your example above, I was pretty much 'dropped' into England whereas Yezidis were not just dropped into Iraq. They (along with other Iraqi ethnicities) have lived in the same cities alongside Iraqi arabs for more than half a millenium and perhaps even a thousand years. Iraqis' culture, traditions, customs, and even dialect has taken from all it's ethnicities. All these different religions and ethnicities contributed to Iraqi culture as we know it.

Originally Posted by Al-Hashimi

Let me give you an example. You say you are born outside of Iraq like me. I am sure that you have Iraqi friends that have the same background as you (Iraqis born outside of Iraq). Do you agree with me that you will feel closer to that Iraqi born outside of Iraq in the same country like you than a local from your country of birth? I think that's why an Iraqi Arab always will feel closer to his own kind rather than the Iraqi Yazidi who although an Iraqi as well don't share the same ancestry, culture, costumes and religion etc. You know Hard to explain.

Yes as an Iraqi Arab I would probably feel closer to another Iraqi Arab than to an Iraqi Yezidi. BUT I would feel closer to an Iraqi Yezidi than to a Saudi.

Perhaps that's just where we disagree.

[Al-Hashimi]

Originally Posted by Chounz

Hmmm yes I see what you mean. That's two different ways of looking at it. It's slightly different though from your example above, I was pretty much 'dropped' into England whereas Yezidis were not just dropped into Iraq. They (along with other Iraqi ethnicities) have lived in the same cities alongside Iraqi arabs for more than half a millenium and perhaps even a thousand years. Iraqis' culture, traditions, customs, and even dialect has taken from all it's ethnicities. All these different religions and ethnicities contributed to Iraqi culture as we know it.



Yes as an Iraqi Arab I would probably feel closer to another Iraqi Arab than to an Iraqi Yezidi. BUT I would feel closer to an Iraqi Yezidi than to a Saudi.

Perhaps that's just where we disagree.

I also understand what you are saying but we also need to acknowledge that for example Yazidis, Kurds and Turkmens are a completely different people in terms of ancestry, culture, customes and language etc.

Yes, they have been influenced by the Arab culture in Iraq and SOME have mixed with each other (still a very small minority overall) but what makes you relate to them is the fact that those groups live in the same country and have been influenced by the dominant culture in Iraq (Arab) and also been through/experienced the same things as citizens of Iraq. But that's about it and were all similarities ends in my humble opinion at least.

So it depends what you value. For me, a person who have only visited Iraq and is not related to Iraqi Kurds, Turkmens, Assyrians, Chaldeans, Mandeans or Yazidis I feel a much closer relations with other Arabs like me also in terms of culture, customes, the feeling of "brotherhood" etc. All what makes an ethnic group and ethnic group.

I am sure, as said previously, that it would be a different matter had I lived in Mosul for example all my life. Unless I was an Arab nationalist lol.

But yeah, it's two different things and it depends on what you consder most important and whether you identify yourself as an Iraqi nationalists or more with Arab culture as a whole.

Anyway brother, I think we have pissed off a few people so let us just leave this discussion or move it to another thread.

[Chounz]

Originally Posted by Al-Hashimi

I also understand what you are saying but we also need to acknowledge that for example Yazidis, Kurds and Turkmens are a completely different people in terms of ancestry, culture, customes and language etc.

Yes, they have been influenced by the Arab culture in Iraq and SOME have mixed with each other (still a very small minority overall) but what makes you relate to them is the fact that those groups live in the same country and have been influenced by the dominant culture in Iraq (Arab) and also been through/experienced the same things as citizens of Iraq. But that's about it and were all similarities ends in my humble opinion at least.

Yes you're right, I see what you mean.

Good discussion though.

[Al-Hashimi]

Originally Posted by Chounz

Yes you're right, I see what you mean.

Good discussion though.

Yeah, it was a very interesting and civil discussion. May that be the standard in the future overall among us.

Also let's get this thread back on topic.

Do anyone know how the state of the overall health sector looks like in Iraqi Kurdistan? I imagine it's better than in the rest of the country.

[Sinjar]

More Than Twenty Medical Specializations in the Surgical Hospital



EXCLUSIVE - Alkafeel

The member of the medical committee in Al Abbas Holy Shrine, and the supervisor on the hospital project, Dr. Haider AlBahadli explained to Alkafeel net: the hospital consists of 135 beds distributed according to the need, and it contains 12 operation halls, in addition to the emergencies and other clinics. The hospital is founded on an area of 2500 m2, and the area of the building is 4000 m2.

The centers and departments included within the hospital are:
1- Center for treatment of heart disease (diagnosis - Catheter - surgery - open-heart surgery)

2 - Organ transplantation Center (liver – kidneys - pancreas)

3 - Center for the transplantation of bone marrow

4 - General Surgery Center

5 - Center for urinary surgery

6 - Center for Ear, Nose and Throat

7 - Center of Ophthalmology

8 - Center for Oral and Maxillofacial Surgery

9 - Center for dental surgery and treatment

10 - Center for cosmetic surgery and burns

11 - Center for the treatment of chronic diseases

12 - Center for the treatment of infertility

13 - Center for Women and Obstetrics

14 - Center for the treatment of skin diseases

15 - Endoscopy Center and Digestive Surgery

16 - Center for the treatment of internal diseases and diabetes

17 - Department of Radiology

18 - Department of Emergency

19 - Laboratory of tests and pathological

20 - Department of Industrial College

Explaining: many other departments will be added after finishing the project, and these projects will be provided with all the needs of medics.

It is worth mentioning that the aim of establishing this project is to support the health sector in Iraq and in the holy city of Karbala, and to provide more beds to the 30% provided before and to complete so many other projects in the holy city of Karbala.

[3ankabot]

Originally Posted by Chounz

Hahah it's not about having the passport! It seems like you're saying the only thing Iraqi about a Yezidi is that he has the passport.

I'm trying to think of a good enough way to explain it to you because I sort of feel there's something you're not able to grasp..

Just imagine someone who was born on the same soil as you.. who lived by the same river.. you both had the same childhood and played the same games as kids... your parents shout out the same lines when they get mad at you... you both have a similar group of friends and would hit on girls in the exact same manner... you both lived under the same dictator... and then the regime that came afterwards.. you both have uncles or cousins that died in the same war... you both have the same bad fashion and hairstyle.... you even look the same... you're an Arab from Baghdad and he's a Yezidi from Mosul....... you look at him and it's as if you're looking at your self in the mirror!

Let's say you then left Iraq in your 20's or 30's and moved to Riyadh. I don't understand how it's possible that you can relate more to a Saudi that has lived a COMPLETELY different life than you have. I just can't imagine it..

Beautiful

[3ankabot]

Thank you Sinjar, great news.

[Ali - Iraq]

Rahmallah waldek ya Sinjar!

[makaay31]

Thanks Sinjar, very good

[makaay31]

Diwaniyah

المباشرة بتنفيذ المستشفى التخصصي لطب الأسنان في الديوانية
04-06-2012 04:48 مساء



الديوانية/ واب/ باشرت الكوادر الهندسية التابعة لقسم العقود في ديوان محافظة الديوانية، بإكمال مشروع المركز التخصصي في المحافظة.
وقال مدير قسم الهندسة بديوان المحافظة اسعد حميد لوكالة أنباء بغداد الدولية/ واب/ إن "هذا المشروع ضمن خطة تنمية الأقاليم لعام 2005 الذي كان من المشاريع المتلكئة، وبكلفة إجمالية تبلغ 897 مليون دينار وتنفذه شركة الرشيد العامة للمقاولات أحدى تشكيلات وزارة الصناعة والمعادن".
وأضاف أن "هذا المشروع هو الأول من نوعه في المحافظة من حيث الأجهزة التي ستدخل إليه من مناشئ ايطالية بمواصفات حديثة وعالية الدقة"، مبينا ان "المشروع نفذ على مساحة تقدر 900م2 وبنسبة انجاز 80%، إذ يتضمن المستشفى صالة عمليات للأسنان وردهات للمرضى وقاعات كبيرة للمحاضرات، فضلاً عن قسم الأشعة وقسم لفحص أمراض اللثة وقسم لتقويم وترميم الأسنان وقسم لقلع وحشو الأسنان"./انتهى

[Ali - Iraq]

Italian, French, German Companies To Install Iraq Surgical Rooms
Iraq signed contracts worth a total of $152 million with Italian, German and French companies to build and supply 76 operating rooms at 19 hospitals across the country, a Health Ministry official said.
Sorima Hospital Development of Italy, Ermedi International of France, and Germany’s Viessmann Technologies GmbH and HT Labor + Hospital Technik AG will each build 19 operating rooms, Qais Jaffar, deputy director general of imports for the State Co. for Importation and Distribution of Drugs and Medical Appliances in the Health Ministry, said in an interview in Baghdad today. The operating rooms are due to be completed within a year from next month, he said.
The Health Ministry will announce next month a second tender for the construction and supply of another 76 operating rooms in 19 hospitals, he said.
To contact the reporters on this story: Khalid Al-Ansary in the Baghdad through the Dubai newsroom at
To contact the editor responsible for this story: Stephen Voss at sev@bloomberg.net
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-0...cal-rooms.html

[Sinjar]

Iraq's Hajji the healer: creams and circumcisions


Salman al-Khafaji is one of a dwindling number of mostly men who have filled gaps in Iraq's health system (AFP/File, Sabah Arar)


Salman al-Khafaji opened his own clinic in his parents' home after working in government-run hospitals for 21 years (AFP/File, Sabah Arar)


Salman al-Khafaji has used home-made therapeutic concoctions, mostly for the treatment of burn victims (AFP/FIle, Sabah Arar)

By Salam Faraj (AFP), BAGHDAD — Every day dozens of people flock to Salman al-Khafaji's clinic in central Baghdad, hoping the octogenarian can treat their ailments where the Iraqi capital's hospitals and doctors have failed.

Khafaji is one of a dwindling number of mostly men who have filled gaps in Iraq's health system which during the 1990s was short on medicine as a result of the embargo imposed on the country for Saddam Hussein's invasion of Kuwait.

And later, following the 2003 invasion, the system was overwhelmed by countless victims of violence.

The 82-year-old specialises -- to the extent that such a thing is possible -- in concocting mixtures of ointments, medicines and creams to treat skin problems.
He also carries out circumcisions in a room in his home, and has done so for 53 years.

"Sometimes I receive people suffering from burns who have come directly from Yarmuk hospital, or Medical City, or others," he says, referring to some of the city's largest hospitals.

"They need constant care for long sessions, and that is not always available in hospitals."

The walls of Khafaji's house in Karrada, Baghdad's main commercial district, are lined with framed verses from the Koran and also paintings of the Virgin Mary.

Patients walk along a short corridor to a waiting room in the corner of his home and are then treated in an adjoining area that is separated only by a two-metre-high (6.5 feet) curtain.

Khafaji also maintains another room for patients who need to fully disrobe for treatment.

And while he dons a clean white doctor's coat, none of his patients refer to him as such, instead calling him simply Hajji -- a title literally given to those who have undertaken Islam's holy pilgrimage, the Hajj.

In many cases, Hajji is also used as an honorific for older men.

On one day, 16-year-old Mohammed Hassan lay on Khafaji's bed, with bandages and gauze covering parts of his head, arms and legs.

The teenager, a resident of the Baghdad Jadidah neighbourhood in the east of the capital, was burned in a fire that broke out in a car he was in.

"After I left the hospital having been treated, doctors said I just needed some time to recover," he says.

"But the effects of the burns and the pain continued, and I did not feel better until I came here."

Khafaji trained as a nurse in 1957, working in government-run hospitals for 21 years in Baghdad, the western province of Anbar and the southern province of Wasit.

Two years later, he opened his own clinic in his parents' home.

During the late 1970s, he quit his job as a nurse and focused full-time on the clinic, which is open seven days a week and where individual sessions cost 40,000 dinars, or about $32.

"The worst cases we receive are for people who have suffered burns because of incidents involving electricity short-circuits or hot asphalt," says Safaa al-Khafaji, one of the clinician's three sons who work with him.

The situation is a far cry from the peak of Iraq's sectarian war from 2006 to 2008, when the clinic treated countless victims of violence.

Over the years, Khafaji, a father of five and grandfather of 15, has treated family members of top officials, including the sons of Tareq Aziz, Saddam Hussein's deputy prime minister who is now in an Iraqi jail awaiting execution.

He says his patients also include foreigners living in Iraq -- people hailing from Bangladesh, India, and from other Arab countries including, most recently, a Lebanese woman earlier this year who sought his help for a skin problem.

Throughout, he has used home-made therapeutic concoctions, mostly for the treatment of burn victims, helping to ease their pain and covering their scars.

Iraqi medical officials insist that patients should be treated only in hospitals or by qualified doctors, but acknowledge that because of long-held traditions, Iraqis still visit traditional healers like Khafaji.

"I checked with four doctors in Iraq and I travelled to Egypt twice for treatment, but there was limited improvement in my condition," says Adil Mohammed, who travelled from Hilla, 100 kilometres (60 miles) south of Baghdad, to be treated by Khafaji.

Mohammed, 47, had lesions on his right thigh and said that while doctors advised him to pursue laser treatment, "after a few treatment sessions here, I feel much better."

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