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Old December 31st, 2015, 06:01 PM   #2081
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Enough of the city vs city crap people. It's not helpful and OT.
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Old December 31st, 2015, 07:33 PM   #2082
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Enough of the city vs city crap people. It's not helpful and OT.
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Old December 31st, 2015, 09:32 PM   #2083
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Some of those latest childish comments are unbearable. Not even worth wasting time to discuss this issue further, obviously some never even heard of the term cityscape.

Anyway, you all have a great start in 2016, may it bring even more lovely and tasteful towers to NYC (that won't hide Chrysler or ESB )!
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Old January 1st, 2016, 02:40 PM   #2084
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Some of those latest childish comments are unbearable. Not even worth wasting time to discuss this issue further, obviously some never even heard of the term cityscape.

Anyway, you all have a great start in 2016, may it bring even more lovely and tasteful towers to NYC (that won't hide Chrysler or ESB )!
Lol!..some people make you understand why Europ is a disabled old lady getting caught desperatly on her former glory!
In Dresden for example,they rebuilt many replicas of buildings that were destroyed during WW2;the same in Berlin...
Loser attitude?...
One has to keep running to get a piece of the American Dream!
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Old January 1st, 2016, 04:06 PM   #2085
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I think that Europe is magnificent.

Fortunately, most old buildings in most areas of Manhattan were saved. I lament the loss of many Guilded Age mansions in Midtown, though.

I hope that a 1,400' Zaha will ameliorate the loss of 660 5th.

As noted, Vornado and Kushner recently let the leases of several big users of space expire. They also recently renewed two financial tenants with small blocks for two years with the understanding that they will move in two years. Thus, it seems that they plan to demolish this tower in 2018-2019.
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Old January 1st, 2016, 04:41 PM   #2086
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Not only is this tower amazing, but something just as tall, or taller, will rise next door at 335 Madison!



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Old January 2nd, 2016, 08:43 AM   #2087
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Lol!..some people make you understand why Europ is a disabled old lady getting caught desperatly on her former glory!
In Dresden for example,they rebuilt many buildings that were destroyed during WW2;the same in Berlin...
Loser attitude?...
One has to keep running to get a piece of the American Dream!
Apologies for the OT post, but I disagree with your assessment overall. You sound like you are really out to lunch there. "Handicapped old lady", wtf? Nonsense.. (offensive too!) Go to London, Berlin, Munich, Milan, etc. and walk around and tell me that with a straight face! I doubt you would succeed. Loser Attitude? These places rebuild the old buildings because they were superlative examples of architecture that people enjoy to look at for the most part. It makes sense to rebuild what is beautiful if they can. It is certainly better than replacing them with some modern flavor of the month concept designed by a startchitect that could exist in any city anywhere, from Abu Dhabi to Shanghai that won't necessarily help the city's identity.
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Old January 2nd, 2016, 08:48 AM   #2088
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I think that Europe is magnificent.

Fortunately, most old buildings in most areas of Manhattan were saved. I lament the loss of many Guilded Age mansions in Midtown, though.

I hope that a 1,400' Zaha will ameliorate the loss of 660 5th.

As noted, Vornado and Kushner recently let the leases of several big users of space expire. They also recently renewed two financial tenants with small blocks for two years with the understanding that they will move in two years. Thus, it seems that they plan to demolish this tower in 2018-2019.
Not just the mansions. Entire streetscapes of old ornate buildings in midtown were torn down for taller higher density buildings that did not match up with the grandeur and ornate detailing of the sadly departed.

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Old January 2nd, 2016, 08:56 AM   #2089
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Once again, you've clearly never been to NY.
You can repeat the same old thing until the cows come home but you just make yourself look foolish and desperate.

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Old January 2nd, 2016, 03:04 PM   #2090
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I love skyscrapers. A lot.
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Old January 2nd, 2016, 08:22 PM   #2091
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Super rendering (5700x3085)[ http://s3.amazonaws.com/kpf.com/All-...nderbilt_H.jpg

Might make a great wallpaper for those with high res screens.

If you make it full screen, on a 32" or greater screen, maybe have some classical music, some wine, and you can pretend you have this view.
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Old January 2nd, 2016, 10:53 PM   #2092
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I love skyscrapers. A lot.

Only a few are special. The rest are overgrown corporate office park buildings.
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Old January 2nd, 2016, 10:59 PM   #2093
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I very much agree.
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Old January 2nd, 2016, 11:21 PM   #2094
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Indeed, compared to the proud and timeless designs of Early Skyscrapers, the post-war generations of architects turned the art of building soaring elegant skyscrapers into often way too dull disproportional boxes, following the modernist International Style.

Luckily, One Vanderbilt doesn't follow this worn-out path, it has an expressive crown, almost classical arranged setbacks and a rather soaring shape. Still there'd be great room for improvements concerning the mono-thematic facade, the proportions and various details.
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Old January 2nd, 2016, 11:51 PM   #2095
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It's simple really. Ornamentation and high quality materials cost too much. Hence towers like Steinway and Verre are such an exception.
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Old January 3rd, 2016, 01:25 AM   #2096
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The maintenance and operating costs of a glass facade are in fact higher than for almost any other kind of facade. It's among the first things architects and civ engineers learn about buildings, windows and glass elements are thermal bridges and the most costly to insulate properly against heat and cold. Actually it's quite uneconomical to build these facades.
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Old January 3rd, 2016, 10:42 AM   #2097
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Pretty sure every skyscraper can't be the NEXT BEST THING. The vast majority of Midtown skyscrapers obscure each other, rendering their visual effect and appeal on the skyline next to useless besides density filler. They are there to serve a function and little else which is perfectly understandable.

Centerpieces such as One Vanderbilt that eclipse the skyline plateau and serve as an identity obviously deserve a more prestigious design.
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Old January 3rd, 2016, 12:25 PM   #2098
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It's simple really. Ornamentation and high quality materials cost too much. Hence towers like Steinway and Verre are such an exception.
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The maintenance and operating costs of a glass facade are in fact higher than for almost any other kind of facade. It's among the first things architects and civ engineers learn about buildings, windows and glass elements are thermal bridges and the most costly to insulate properly against heat and cold. Actually it's quite uneconomical to build these facades.
And yet Woolworth Building cost over 5 billion USD in today's money...

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Old January 3rd, 2016, 12:52 PM   #2099
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And yet Woolworth Building cost over 5 billion USD in today's money...

The Woolworth Building cost 13.5 million dollars to build. I calculated this with the value of a 1913 Dollar to the value of a 2015 Dollar. The cost of the Woolworth in today's dollars would actually amount to $323,640,000. Nowhere near 5 billion dollars...

I have no idea where you came up with this estimate of 5 billion but it is grossly wrong.
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