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Old August 23rd, 2016, 02:12 PM   #2201
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I would have saved the base of the old building, facing GTC and build a very minimalistic and stylish tower above that, to give this area a prestige and grande feeling. Something unique and very very tall, as tall as possible.
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Old August 23rd, 2016, 02:21 PM   #2202
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cutting the height of this tower will make no sense because it will lose its impact on the skyline, it will appear smaller than esb, i hope that it will come back to its 1514ft to the tip !!.
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Old August 23rd, 2016, 05:06 PM   #2203
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are you sure they have destroyed all the terracotta reliefs ?

Lol!there is nothing outstanding about these teracotta works(probably moved to some private property)
On Broadway(LA)we have way nicer than that!...and I don't even mention NY,of course...
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Old August 23rd, 2016, 07:07 PM   #2204
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The antenna always started at 1401 feet. So it is possible the design is the same with the spire going up to 1401 feet with an architectural tip to 1514.
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Old August 23rd, 2016, 10:01 PM   #2205
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The antenna always started at 1401 feet. So it is possible the design is the same with the spire going up to 1401 feet with an architectural tip to 1514.

..." the project features a crown that will be visible from across the five boroughs and beyond with a spire that will extend the official height to 1,401 feet above street level."

https://www.hines.com/properties/one...rbilt-new-york
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Old August 23rd, 2016, 11:08 PM   #2206
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..." the project features a crown that will be visible from across the five boroughs and beyond with a spire that will extend the official height to 1,401 feet above street level."

https://www.hines.com/properties/one...rbilt-new-york
A height cut is totally possible, but they could have just messed it up considering article writers often get numerical figures wrong. I believe the DOB still says ~1400 which doesn't count spires... but maybe that's outdated?

Who knows, we shall find out soon.
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Old August 24th, 2016, 12:50 AM   #2207
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it is already in excavation
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Old August 24th, 2016, 04:42 PM   #2208
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cutting the height of this tower will make no sense because it will lose its impact on the skyline
Skyline impact is waaaaaay down on the list of important considerations for most developers. Especially for commercial property.
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Old August 24th, 2016, 07:58 PM   #2209
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Also if the renders that KPF have released show the current dimensions of the tower than for the most part this will still be an impressive tower.
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Old August 24th, 2016, 08:13 PM   #2210
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indeed. This rendering was on Deezen several days ago.

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Old August 26th, 2016, 10:53 PM   #2211
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Lol!there is nothing outstanding about these teracotta works(probably moved to some private property)
On Broadway(LA)we have way nicer than that!...and I don't even mention NY,of course...
Lets agree to disagree on our tastes about if it is something special or not. Given current type of buildings that have literally none of beatifications on them at all, I'd love to see at least some of these old things saved.
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indeed. This rendering was on Deezen several days ago.

I think this is an old one, since the talk was that the tower will have more longer and taller superstructure
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Skyline impact is waaaaaay down on the list of important considerations for most developers. Especially for commercial property.
None of us are developers though, so why should any of us care at all what is important to them? All I (and most other people on this site) care about is how a tower will look on the skyline and how it will impact the city from an urban perspective. I really couldnt care less about the developer's bottom line.
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Old August 30th, 2016, 03:25 PM   #2214
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None of us are developers though, so why should any of us care at all what is important to them? All I (and most other people on this site) care about is how a tower will look on the skyline and how it will impact the city from an urban perspective. I really couldnt care less about the developer's bottom line.
...because we need to keep some semblance of reality in these threads
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Old August 30th, 2016, 08:31 PM   #2215
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Anyone see the advertisement on Times Square? Shows the taller, slimmer version. Don't know how long it's been there.
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Old August 30th, 2016, 09:24 PM   #2216
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...because we need to keep some semblance of reality in these threads
Even if height cuts/ value engineering make sense from an economic perspective, they suck from an aesthetic perspective. Thats the reality of my opinion.
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Old August 30th, 2016, 10:31 PM   #2217
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What he's saying is, it's important to understand what's motivating these aesthetic changes, and most of the time that comes down to business. I love skyscrapers and skylines for their aesthetics as much as the next guy, but the economics, engineering, history, and socio-political implications of these projects are equally fascinating to me, not to mention perfectly relevant to this forum.
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Old September 2nd, 2016, 01:30 AM   #2218
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What he's saying is, it's important to understand what's motivating these aesthetic changes, and most of the time that comes down to business. I love skyscrapers and skylines for their aesthetics as much as the next guy, but the economics, engineering, history, and socio-political implications of these projects are equally fascinating to me, not to mention perfectly relevant to this forum.
I never said that they arent relevant. I simply said that they dont change the fact that a height cut/ value engineered modification still sucks.
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Old September 3rd, 2016, 10:02 AM   #2219
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Fun fact, it should be mentioned that when planning the Sears Tower, the developers realized the height required to satisfy space needs would be just under the standard for the world's tallest building, and actually bumped the height to give it the world record, just for vanity purposes.

However, the title of the world's tallest building and skyline impact are two very different things.
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Old September 6th, 2016, 01:42 AM   #2220
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None of us are developers though, so why should any of us care at all what is important to them? All I (and most other people on this site) care about is how a tower will look on the skyline and how it will impact the city from an urban perspective. I really couldnt care less about the developer's bottom line.

What's important to us, the consumers, is what is important to developers. Otherwise, not including city regulations, they'd never be able to make a sale. The "Invisible Hand" referred to by Adam Smith is not some dark and mysterious capitalist who controls reality like the Wizard of Oz. The consumer is the Invisible Hand. The Consumer drives the demand. It's about supply and demand. If the consumer wants a certain taste, if that certain taste is most popular among the collective, then it is that taste the developers will certainly appease. Otherwise they won't make a sale. Why do you think they are building these towers so tall and slim with such incredibly high prices for the upper floors? Supply and demand. The higher up, the more spectacular the view, the more those who can afford it will pay.
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