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Old October 19th, 2016, 03:20 AM   #2301
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Today it was the Ground Breaking ceremony, with the attendance of the developers and the Mayor De Blasio.
Regarding the height, the forist Otie, at YIMBY forums, is doing a detailed 3D model of the building. According to him, it will be 1401 ft to the crown with 68 floors. Plus 100 ft of spire to reach 1501 ft. I don't know. I think we can say his information is almost-official.

Using the model I posted bellow, taken from the YIMBY article, I can count 77 apparent floors, that is including the false floors at the crown.
the first two mecanichal floors would be 12th and 13th. Then the next two mecanichal floors, 33rd and 34th, next two 47th and 48th, and the last two, 58th and 59th. Then two more floors which I guess are the observation deck, those would be 60th and 61st. And counting the apparent floors at the crown, the top of the crown would be the equivalent of the level 77.

The post of OTIE ayt YIMBY forums where he states that and shows the crown for the model he is doing
http://www.yimbyforums.com/t/new-yor...floors/207/520
http://www.yimbyforums.com/t/new-yor...floors/207/524


http://newyorkyimby.com/2016/10/grou...town-east.html



http://newyorkyimby.com/2016/10/grou...town-east.html
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Old October 19th, 2016, 12:07 PM   #2302
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I really love this tower, but i feel like vibrancy at street level will suffer from this tower. It will have one bank , the lobby and a subway entrance at ground level, which will not attracts as myn people as the previous shops that were there, creating a more sterile effect around GTC. Sadly they didnīt integrate small shops in the base, around the lobby and subway entrance, enhancing life around the tower. On the other hand, the improved public transdport part that goes along with this tower, is a huge pro. In the end, you canīt have it all.
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Old October 19th, 2016, 02:52 PM   #2303
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I really love this tower, but i feel like vibrancy at street level will suffer from this tower. It will have one bank , the lobby and a subway entrance at ground level, which will not attracts as myn people as the previous shops that were there, creating a more sterile effect around GTC. Sadly they didnīt integrate small shops in the base, around the lobby and subway entrance, enhancing life around the tower. On the other hand, the improved public transdport part that goes along with this tower, is a huge pro. In the end, you canīt have it all.
The big picture, though, is the initial pedestrianization of Vanderbilt - to be followed by a full pedestrian mall and complementary improvements in Grand Central; ultimately to include the viaduct, at some point.

While the ground floor retail is to be at the corner of 42nd and Madison, I don't really see the area being less utilized than it is today: hardly anyone actually does anything there but walks through. At the very least, having adequate space to sit will be an improvement, particularly as overflow for GCT and as workers in 1 Vanderbilt. More retail will follow, I think.

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Old October 19th, 2016, 04:23 PM   #2304
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It is 1501ft http://onevanderbilt.com/ yo go to this site
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Dude. Do you have some difficulty with the concept of conflicting sources? If you check out the One Vanderbilt Instagram Feed there is no mention anywhere of 1,501 ft., only 1,401 -- and that's without bringing up NYYimby's reporting, in which SL Green insists the floor count has been cut from 67 to 58.

Picking and choosing only the sources that confirm your desires is frankly pretty juvenile. And lambasting other forum members by repeating your assumptions with your fingers in your ears is as intellectually dishonest as it is rude.
My source for the height reduction was YIMBY, who is very good at giving us accurate and up to date information. We are talking about a 100 feet height reduction. Not the end of the world. This tower will alter the skyline and is in a prime spot. I don't think this will be the last either. Especially with the city's push to rezone that area for taller towers.

I'm waiting for a China-style supertall that approaches a mega tall. I'm talking about a 1900 foot roof height type tower. Dare to dream, right?
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Old October 19th, 2016, 09:24 PM   #2305
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My source for the height reduction was YIMBY, who is very good at giving us accurate and up to date information. We are talking about a 100 feet height reduction. Not the end of the world. This tower will alter the skyline and is in a prime spot. I don't think this will be the last either. Especially with the city's push to rezone that area for taller towers.

I'm waiting for a China-style supertall that approaches a mega tall. I'm talking about a 1900 foot roof height type tower. Dare to dream, right?
Dont tell me that we lose a 1501ft now
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Old October 20th, 2016, 03:52 AM   #2306
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The angle the tower is seen from in that plastic model above is the one this makes most sense seen from. From some angles the tower doesn't make much sense but from that one you can see the harmony between the different parts and slopes.

Someone should start a thread about skyscrapers which look good from some angles and bad from others. There are quite a few examples.
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Old October 20th, 2016, 07:35 AM   #2307
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My source for the height reduction was YIMBY, who is very good at giving us accurate and up to date information. We are talking about a 100 feet height reduction. Not the end of the world. This tower will alter the skyline and is in a prime spot. I don't think this will be the last either. Especially with the city's push to rezone that area for taller towers.

I'm waiting for a China-style supertall that approaches a mega tall. I'm talking about a 1900 foot roof height type tower. Dare to dream, right?
1,500' is a psychological barrier. That's like telling someone a drop from 300m to 298m is "only 2m"
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Old October 20th, 2016, 07:20 PM   #2308
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KPF switched to 1401'

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Old October 20th, 2016, 10:09 PM   #2309
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That's a real bummer. It's still a pretty good size, it'll be slightly taller than the ESB, but it won't dominate the skyline as I hoped.
But again I'm looking forward to what the Midtown East rezoning will produce, 1 Vandy probably would've been surpassed by one of those upcoming towers anyway.
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Old October 22nd, 2016, 07:51 AM   #2310
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Unfortunately it was economic reasons, this skyscraper boom is heading towards the end and there probably just was not the demand for 1.8 million sqft of office space
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Old October 22nd, 2016, 02:07 PM   #2311
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Unfortunately it was economic reasons, this skyscraper boom is heading towards the end and there probably just was not the demand for 1.8 million sqft of office space
Well, it's a 100ft reduction, though...how dramatically can it affect the square footage? It would appear to me most of the reconfiguration likely occurred in the crown/observation deck rather than the tower, itself.

In any case, there's also plenty of demand for office space, in Midtown, particularly: vacancies are low and rents are high. Some of these dynamics are actually why the WTC has had trouble leasing, because they're asking more $ per square foot than space that's been coming online, elsewhere in the city.


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As with the luxury supertalls, when they talk about the market softening, they're really talking about the peculiar circumstances that make the projects attractive to investors/financiers no longer being aligned (e.g. 432 Park is tall in order to maximize the number of units, which in turn provides the returns needed to justify what was spent to acquire the property, demolish the Drake Hotel, and to build the tower).

In other words, they're talking about diminishing returns [on investment]. When they talk about the bottom falling out of that segment of the market, they're really talking about there being very few properties left with developable rights to build similar projects, in locations that would justify the rents/sales prices to make it worthwhile: not a bubble, as seems to be making the rounds, here.
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Old October 22nd, 2016, 02:55 PM   #2312
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The facade reminds me of the Bloomberg tower.
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Old October 22nd, 2016, 05:15 PM   #2313
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phoenixboi08 then why cut the tower so dramatically?
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Old October 22nd, 2016, 07:26 PM   #2314
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phoenixboi08 then why cut the tower so dramatically?
I think that's a little over stated. 1401 vs 1501 is barely noticeable. The basic shape of the tower is unchanged.
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Old October 23rd, 2016, 03:26 AM   #2315
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Fair enough it's a psychological distinction and I'm just a bit up set about it.
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Old October 24th, 2016, 03:43 AM   #2316
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Hasn't this tower always been 1401 ft to the roof and 1501 to the top of the spire?
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Old October 24th, 2016, 03:46 AM   #2317
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what gorgeous model scale
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Old October 28th, 2016, 10:22 PM   #2318
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I just hope that Roosevelt hotel is safe. It needs to be added to protected list
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Old October 30th, 2016, 05:56 AM   #2319
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I agree. It's boxy and doesn't have any elegance; and if there's one thing a tall building should be able to pull off by its very nature, it's elegance. The top is particularly egregious.

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i am not fond of this buildings design at all. i looks bulky, tastelessly corpulent and devoid of any elegance or design originality. with all those elegant and lovely tall buildings going up near the Central Park, what is the excuse for this pile of mass? quite disappointing.
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wow! this would one of NYC's iconics.
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