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Old November 26th, 2012, 01:41 PM   #261
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I'm confused. I thought this project was a 2 supertall complex with a supertall adjacent to Grand Central at each side. For some reason though, I keep hearing 1 supertall. Is this project 1 or 2 supertalls?
The rendering depicts a vision of the redevelopment of the GCT area. This site is for one supertall.
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Old November 26th, 2012, 01:44 PM   #262
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There's no information about the height of this structure, but between the rezoning and the small foot print, it will easily exceed 300m.
Two Questions.

1. Can someone explain rezoning to me? What it is? How it works?
2. How does a small footprint assure it's going to be a tall tower? So the smaller the footprint the taller? I know I'm exaggerating but someone explain that to me too! :P
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Old November 26th, 2012, 01:50 PM   #263
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I'm confused. I thought this project was a 2 supertall complex with a supertall adjacent to Grand Central at each side. For some reason though, I keep hearing 1 supertall. Is this project 1 or 2 supertalls?
The renderings shown were mere concepts. That being said, the other parcel shown in the renderings is occupied by a hotel with lots of air rights, and therefore, a supertall will rise there too eventually. The Midtown rezoning will result in the construction of many supertalls over time.
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Old November 26th, 2012, 05:31 PM   #264
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The massive air rights from these institutions will lead to more supertalls.


http://therealdeal.com/blog/2012/11/...t-flexibility/

Midtown holy houses preach air right flexibility
November 26, 2012 09:30AM


From left: St. Patrick’s Cathedral, St. Bartholomew’s Church and Central Synagogue

A plan to rezone Midtown East and fuel new development in the area even has the pious licking their lips. Three Midtown East houses of worship – St. Patrick’s Cathedral, St. Bartholomew’s Church and Central Synagogue — want to sell some 2 million square feet of air space above their landmarked buildings, a commodity that could be worth nearly $400 million, according to Crain’s....
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Old November 26th, 2012, 06:19 PM   #265
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This and Tower Verre are the best locations for supertall development in my opinion. The areas are loaded with soaring office towers.
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Old November 26th, 2012, 07:16 PM   #266
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NY will be a city of supertalls in 10 years
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Old November 27th, 2012, 02:48 AM   #267
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If everything goes according to plan, by 2020 New York's average pinnacle height of its 10 tallest buildings will be right around 1,370. That's nearly a 100 foot lead on Dubai, which should be second.
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Old November 27th, 2012, 03:13 AM   #268
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some of KPF's completed and future icons - pics from KPF's website

Shanghai WFC, 492m


Hong Kong, ICC, 484m


Shenzhen - Pingan Financial Center, 660m


Seoul, Lotte World Tower, 555m



Guangzhou, The Chou Tai Fook Tower, 530m


and of course right here in NYC, Hudson Yards North Office Tower, 407m
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Old November 27th, 2012, 03:16 AM   #269
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Yes, KPF seems to be the only firm that can rival SOM. I can't decide which I like better!
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Old November 27th, 2012, 03:21 AM   #270
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my favs of there work is the swfc the chou tai fook tower and the hudson yards north tower
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Old November 27th, 2012, 03:22 AM   #271
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I can't even decide on that! I need to be more decisive...
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Old November 27th, 2012, 02:19 PM   #272
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KPF's buildings are true masterpieces (except for the Hudson Yards, which I think are too fat), I'm very happy they were chosen to design this building
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Old November 27th, 2012, 08:31 PM   #273
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If everything goes according to plan, by 2020 New York's average pinnacle height of its 10 tallest buildings will be right around 1,370. That's nearly a 100 foot lead on Dubai, which should be second.
i see i am not the only one calculating future CAHTT scores
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Old November 27th, 2012, 10:41 PM   #274
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If you want to take New York's roof height average, it's still higher than Dubai's pinnacle height average. With 225 W 57th being 1,550 feet, it's roof height average will be ~1,285 feet, and pinnacle ~1,395 feet.
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Old November 27th, 2012, 10:46 PM   #275
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If you want to take New York's roof height average, it's still higher than Dubai's pinnacle height average. With 225 W 57th being 1,550 feet, it's roof height average will be ~1,285 feet, and pinnacle ~1,395 feet.
dubai is not the only competitor though, what about shenzhen and tianjin, shenzhen has like 4 buildings over 500m proposed, if they all would get built i am pretty sure it would be close between the top cities. so only future can tell, but i am rather doubtful that new york will climb back to the top of the CAHTT scores in the next years. if all the proposals are built however and 2WTC continues it may though.
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I realize this, and I did the stats for NY, HK, Chicago, Dubai, Shanghai, Hong Kong, Shenzhen, and Guangzhou, but Shenzhen was only 5th if I recall correctly at ~1,195 feet. (Not counting Caiwuwei. With Caiwuwei, it's ~1,330.) I'll post the list in an hour or so .

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I realize this, and I did the stats for NY, HK, Chicago, Dubai, Shanghai, Hong Kong, Shenzhen, and Guangzhou, but Shenzhen was only 5th if I recall correctly. I'll post the list in an hour or so.
did you use a specific year or just all proposals around, because i find that american buildings seem to be proposed earlier (at least people find them proposed earlier) and more of a long time goal. because i can imagine that we have quite a few towers in new york that are proposed now, but supposed to finish in the year 2018 or something and there are some scrapers in shenzhen or guangzhou that are not even proposed now, but finished by then. no way to know for sure, so i think that list only up to like 2015 or 2016 can be semi-precise. after all, for none of these cities you named the future looks grim even though HK and chicago stepped a bit down on the craze for now.
hope this websites gets updated to 2012 soon though.
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Yeah, Hong Kong will be last on that list to the pinnacle if nothing develops soon. (It will be second to last by roof height just ahead of Chicago.) I haven't calculated the late-breaking news of a megatall redevelopment at the Spire's site into this, and I don't count any buildings on-hold except for 2WTC, because it must be built in memoriam (It won't be cancelled). I didn't include ones like Burj-al-Alam.
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Yeah, Hong Kong will be last on that list to the pinnacle if nothing develops soon. (It will be second to last by roof height just ahead of Chicago.) I haven't calculated the late-breaking news of a megatall redevelopment at the Spire's site into this, and I don't count any buildings on-hold except for 2WTC, because it must be built in memoriam (It won't be cancelled). I didn't include ones like Burj-al-Alam.
is their a link for that? i'd like to read about it
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Yeah, Hong Kong will be last on that list to the pinnacle if nothing develops soon. (It will be second to last by roof height just ahead of Chicago.) I haven't calculated the late-breaking news of a megatall redevelopment at the Spire's site into this, and I don't count any buildings on-hold except for 2WTC, because it must be built in memoriam (It won't be cancelled). I didn't include ones like Burj-al-Alam.
i think Burj Al Alam is dead pretty much. 2WTC is my favorite building in New York, so it better gets built

also do not forget to calculate tianjin's and wuhan's scores. as of today they are very low, but we all have seen the vast craneland pictures of tianjin and all the ambitious plans that go with it.
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