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Old March 27th, 2013, 02:03 AM   #401
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I don't understand why so many people seem to dislike the towers at the tip. Okay, maybe One and Two New York Plaza are not the most beautiful towers ( interesting facades though ), but I always liked 55 Water Street ( most floor space in NY ), and One Financial Square and the Continental Center are nice too, 120 Wall Street is also a nice addition being the old art deco building between modern glass towers. The only building in the row I think is uninteresting is 111 Wall Street, and luckily that one is the lowest.
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I don't understand why so many people seem to dislike the towers at the tip. Okay, maybe One and Two New York Plaza are not the most beautiful towers ( interesting facades though ), but I always liked 55 Water Street ( most floor space in NY ), and One Financial Square and the Continental Center are nice too, 120 Wall Street is also a nice addition being the old art deco building between modern glass towers. The only building in the row I think is uninteresting is 111 Wall Street, and luckily that one is the lowest.
new york deserves much better....once we're done with the midtown rezoning, the next step in new york's office development will be the re-imagining of downtown's east side, yes that includes the fat blobs at the tip (which are no doubt as energy inefficient as the midcentury office buildings in midtown)

only a natural progression of life on the island of manhattan...
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Old March 27th, 2013, 03:14 PM   #403
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There is space for development between the Continental center and the Brooklyn bridge, and don't you rather see these boring apartment blocks go away in Two Bridges and along the east river Park?
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There is space for development between the Continental center and the Brooklyn bridge, and don't you rather see these boring apartment blocks go away in Two Bridges and along the east river Park?
Well who wouldn't, my friend? Unfortunately public housing in NY is sacrosanct. Unless there's a paradigm shift to how we approach development, this blight is here to stay for a long time.
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Old March 27th, 2013, 04:07 PM   #405
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Yeah that's true unfortunately, luckily Brooklyn and Queens are booming too with nice lowrise and midrise buildings along East River.
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I like those public blocks between those bridges, nice brick buildings.
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Old March 28th, 2013, 03:45 AM   #407
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new york deserves much better....once we're done with the midtown rezoning, the next step in new york's office development will be the re-imagining of downtown's east side, yes that includes the fat blobs at the tip (which are no doubt as energy inefficient as the midcentury office buildings in midtown)

only a natural progression of life on the island of manhattan...
Sorry, but the Big 3 on the Southernmost tip of Manhattan will more than likely stay. Combined, their gross floor area is almost as much as 1WTC, 2WTC, and 3WTC. Demolishing just one of them would destroy more office space than demolishing the Empire State Building. Only way they'll go is for a mega development of office buildings at least 5 million square feet or a switch to residential space.
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I wouldn't mind those three gone if they replace them with a replica of...uh,
"Turnuri Gemeni" (Let's just leave it at that!)

I hope the '1 Vanderbilt' design will be chosen for this! It's beautiful.
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Just because a building is large and simple doesnt mean it is ugly. The huge towers at the tip of lower Manhattan provide large amounts of vital office space, and destroying them for the sake of supposed modern aesthetics would be entirely illogical.
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Just because a building is large and simple doesnt mean its pretty . The ugly towers at the tip of lower Manhattan provide large amounts of unimportant communist new yorker office space, and destroying them for the sake of modern aesthetics would be entirely logical
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Old March 28th, 2013, 08:05 PM   #415
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Sorry, but the Big 3 on the Southernmost tip of Manhattan will more than likely stay. Combined, their gross floor area is almost as much as 1WTC, 2WTC, and 3WTC. Demolishing just one of them would destroy more office space than demolishing the Empire State Building. Only way they'll go is for a mega development of office buildings at least 5 million square feet or a switch to residential space.
Yes, 55 Water Street was the largest building in the world and now the largest building in NYC.
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Sorry, but the Big 3 on the Southernmost tip of Manhattan will more than likely stay. Combined, their gross floor area is almost as much as 1WTC, 2WTC, and 3WTC. Demolishing just one of them would destroy more office space than demolishing the Empire State Building. Only way they'll go is for a mega development of office buildings at least 5 million square feet or a switch to residential space.
we're talking about a time horizon of 30-50 years; long after all other development is absorbed by the market,

those POSestsstststs signed their death sentence right upon completion...never mind the sixties tower in the park philosophy or, as you say, the biggest floor area of any office building in the city

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consider, midtown east for decades was by far the most prestigious address in the city….as an ensemble, it's architecture is truly visionary and the neighborhood would have long been landmarked anywhere else, yet all it took was a simple PROPOSAL to increase the FAR allotment by 30% for people to relegated into the doldrums of history

what do you think will happen here in a couple of decades if allowed to build higher and only one or two tenants to clear???
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Old March 29th, 2013, 02:20 AM   #418
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we're talking about a time horizon of 30-50 years; long after all other development is absorbed by the market,

those POSestsstststs signed their death sentence right upon completion...never mind the sixties tower in the park philosophy or, as you say, the biggest floor area of any office building in the city
Even in 30-50 years those buildings will not be demolished. There are so many other sites in the city, hundreds of millions of square feet worth, that would be cheaper and easier to develop. Demolishing a building the size of 55 Water Street would likely cost over a hundred million dollars. Unless those buildings become structurally defficient for some reason, they will not be demolished in 30-50 years.
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sorry for going off topic, but how come the NYSE Tower was never built?
After 9/11 there was increasing consensus that the traditional stock exchange trading floor model would be gone forever. With digital transactions increasingly occurring at offsite locations, the NYSE stepped back from proposals to expand their downtown operations. Now they are only maintaining their old-school trading floor as a nod to history and as a national symbol. Their sale to ICE has further cemented their move toward electronic trading.

This is also another reason why so many of the buildings in Lower Manhattan are virtually obsolete and why financial and trading firms haven't signed onto WTC. These firms can maintain their operations with far fewer employees and from remote locations that do business electronically. The ones that moved to Midtown did so because that's near where so many of their key employees live, and where the financial community operates. Lower Manhattan is evolving into a diverse residential and media-oriented (although even that is tentative) neighborhood. The big buildings around the tip are indeed redundant yet still provide massive amounts of cheaper bulk office space for back office operations, non-profits fleeing rising rents in Midtown, and others.
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Even in 30-50 years those buildings will not be demolished. There are so many other sites in the city, hundreds of millions of square feet worth, that would be cheaper and easier to develop. Demolishing a building the size of 55 Water Street would likely cost over a hundred million dollars. Unless those buildings become structurally defficient for some reason, they will not be demolished in 30-50 years.
re: midtown east rezoning......"here are so many other sites in the city, hundreds of millions of square feet worth, that would be cheaper and easier to develop" bla bla bla

everything else is a matter of conjecture
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